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Ex-Seminarian stories
« on: January 28, 2025, 12:32:29 PM »
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  • To take our minds off a little bit from the Bishop Williamson situation, I wanted to ask the Ex Seminarians on here a more lighthearted question on funny moments from your days as a seminarian.

    I know we have had a similar thread on it during the past but worth telling more! I also got inspiration after reading the comments  about the Bp Williamson fake death prank from STAS.

    Hope to read some good stories!
    Some People call me a Radical Traditionalist but others call me Shizo.....Oh well :trollface:

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #1 on: January 29, 2025, 11:30:08 AM »
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  • A priest ordained by +Bp. Williamson told me an amusing anecdote from his days as a seminarian. There was a young man whose handwriting was illegible. He often couldn’t read his own notes from class, and his graded assignments were equally poor.
    Tired of trying to decipher his assignments, His Excellency required him to spend a half hour per day in his office copying spiritual writings in his best cursive hand. How long it took, but by the time he was ordained, this priest had a beautiful cursive hand. 


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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #2 on: January 29, 2025, 03:07:15 PM »
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  • A priest ordained by +Bp. Williamson told me an amusing anecdote from his days as a seminarian. There was a young man whose handwriting was illegible. He often couldn’t read his own notes from class, and his graded assignments were equally poor.
    Tired of trying to decipher his assignments, His Excellency required him to spend a half hour per day in his office copying spiritual writings in his best cursive hand. How long it took, but by the time he was ordained, this priest had a beautiful cursive hand.

    Yes, I believe I know who this was.  I'm shocked that His Excellency didn't subject me to the same treatment.  I can read my own writing, but no one else can ... and now it's deteriorated even worse, since I rarely write cursive anymore but 99.9999% of the time am on a keyboard.

    I had a teacher in High School (Jesuit High School) throw out one of my tests due to the handwriting, saying "I'm not going to try reading this crap."  He ripped it up in front of me, making that comment and adding that I was getting a 0 for the test, and I didn't even react apart from shrugging my shoulders.  Despite getting that 0, he gave me an A in the class because the thing he hated most were the people that only cared about their grade point average rather than about what they learned.  He called them "grade grubbers."

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #3 on: January 29, 2025, 04:16:46 PM »
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  • So, I arrived at the seminary about a week earlier than I was required to report during a very hot and humid late August in Winona, MN in 1989.  I had no idea where to go, not knowing the layout of the place, so I walked into the chapel, and there was a single seminarian in there, praying, but he saw us, wearing lay clothes, and realizing therefrom that we were newbies, came over, helping us get to where we needed to go.  He would later be ordained as Father Steven Soos.  Interesting that he greeted me there, as we're both of Hungarian ancestry, he on his father's side, and I on both sides.

    Turns out that getting there early was a terrible mistake ... except for the great merit to be acquired from some significant penance.  I had thought I'd be able to prepare spiritually for beginning life as a seminarian, praying, studying, etc.  Instead we were subjected to backbraking labor in the serious heat (and humidity) there in Minnesota (people don't realize how hot and humid ... due to the lakes ... it got up there in the Summers, and then later with a black cassock on and no air conditioning, it was tough ... but we didn't have cassocks yet of course).  We had to carry lots of furniture (as in very heavy solid wood stuff, and large pieces since they were like pews and large classroom tables) a very long way across the grounds.

    In any case, on the second day after our arrival, one of the two other guys I had given a ride up to Winona from the Cleveland / Akron area simply no-showed from the work detail.  So I went looking for him and eventually found him kicked back in a chair with a large fan blasting him (he had gone into town to purchase it), so I asked him what was up, and he responded, holding up his hands, "These hands were made for chalices, not callouses." ... and then laughed.  So, this guy was, how would you put it?, of the extremely effeminate orientation, complete with some hand gestures and even the lissssp.  On the trip up, we had the windows open to get air, and he was in the back seat when some rather large moth flew suddenly in through the window.  I had never in my life, and never since, heard such a loud ear-piercing, blood-curdling, girlish scream as I heard emanating from the back seat.  I had to pull the car off the side of the road until we could evict the moth.  In his defense, sortof, it was very dark, and the moth was very large, so we really didn't know what had just flown in the window.  But had he been dirving the car, we all likely would have died.  Now, it should have been obvious to me at the time, but I withheld judgment, not only out of charity for him, but also out of charity and respect for the SSPX, believing that certainly the SSPX would have vetted this guy, at least interviewed him, as his effeminacy was over-the-top obvious.  He would register on a proverbial gαydar with a scale from 1-10 at about a very solid 12.  I later confirmed it to be true, nor is this detraction, first because you don't know the guy, and second because I later found (when the internet got better) that he had actually headed up an LGBT group as his college campus near me and he was interviewed in the newspaper in Akron (so it's public info).  Now, as I said, this was late 1980s so the SSPX had no good way of finding this info out, since this wouldn't have been on the internet, but I had assumed everyone would have gone on a visit, that this guy had been vetted, especially for you-know-what, since his effeminacy was over the top ... and so I concluded that it was just my perception and withheld judgment, assuming they would have found out that it was JUST effeminacy.  It wasn't.  And in retrospect, I'm shocked they didn't at least pay a bit of money for a background check on people, as it would have uncovered his very public and vocal LGBT advocacy.

    So, first year seminarians were required to take a class named "Acts of the Magisterium", taught by Bishop Williamson himself.  That was one of THE best classes at STAS, and I learned more there than in many of the others combined.  That was an introduction to the crisis in the Church from the perspective of the Magisterium, and it's where Bishop Williamson traced it all the way back to the Renaissance/Enlightenment (giving a lot of detail).  So, during either the first or second day of class, very early on at any rate, His Excellency asked us to take out a small scrap of paper for us to write down an answer to a question and then turn it over so no one could see their answers.  He asked everyone how many Jews had been killed during the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  I wrote down 0 myself, since there was no "h0Ɩ0cαųst", even if a certain number of Jews did die or even were executed during WW2.  So Bishop Williamson walked up and down the aisles, asking people one at a time to turn over their paper as he walked by to see their answer.  He made no comments and then just asked everyone to throw away their answer, evidently filing it away in his prodigious memory.  I think this was a brilliant move, so he could see which seminarians had been brainwashed and might be in need of some deprogramming.

    Then, by the end of the very first week of class, this aforementioned extremely effeminate individual that I gave a ride to told me he was leaving the seminary.  I asked him, if he didn't mind saying, why he was leaving, telling him that it's fine if it's none of my business.  So he told me that he just couldn't accept Bishop Williamson's "Anti-Semitism."  So Bishop Williamson's "Anti-Semitism" saved the world from this guy ever getting ordained.  While that's a plausible explanation, given how liberal this guy was, it's also equally possible that he was released on account of his overt appearance of having sodomitical tendencies.

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #4 on: January 29, 2025, 04:34:57 PM »
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  • We had spiritual conferences just about every day at about 5:00 PM, just before Rosary and then dinner.  If I recall, on Thursdays we had benediction along with the Rosary, and so no spiritual conference.  These were just talks given by the various seminary professors about random (usually but not necessarily) spiritual topics.  Bishop Williamson usually did the one on Mondays while the other professors there took the other days of the week.

    I feel bad for the other professors, because Bishop Williamson was a very hard act to follow ... where the rest were boring by comparison (even though they were certainly solid on their own).  His Excellency used to tell seminarians that their sermons should not go beyond 10 minutes, but then he himself would go on regularly for 40 minutes.  But never have I heard a speaker such as Bishop Williamson, where he's just so captivating and interesting, that you don't even notice the passage of time and are disappointed when he's done 60 minutes later and wishing he would keep going.  I've encountered some Traditional priests who tried it during Masses, but by 20-25 minutes in, the faithful were all squirming in their pews and checking their watches.  Not so with Bishop Williamson.

    On some days when His Excellency wasn't scheduled to speak, he would actually walk in the room unexpectedly, when either the regular speaker had some other obligation or there was some relatively-pressing matter he wished to discuss, and we were excited to get a bonus talk.

    Some weeks into the year, His Excellency mentioned that he had heard that some seminarians were misinterpreting a certain section of the rule.  So, this particular provision had caused me consernation as well.  It said that seminarians should shower once a week.  So, evidently, many of us, myself included, had interpreted this as meaning we could shower ONLY once per week, perhaps believing that the Archbishop (who had approved the rule) considered it vanity to shower more often.  Evidently, at some point, Bishop Willamson "got wind" of this, pun intended, and perhaps that was literally how he found out, so he explained to us that we had to understand that this rule had been written from the perspective of the French, and it meant that seminarians must shower AT LEAST once per week, not ONLY once per week.  LOL.  So, after dinner and Mass that evening, during study time, the showers throughout the building ran non-stop for several hours until Compline, as you could hear the collective sigh of relief from among all the seminarians.  I was comforted at least by the thought that I had not been alone in this misinterpretation of the rule.


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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #5 on: January 29, 2025, 04:40:13 PM »
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  • As I wrote this also last one, I can almost sense Bishop Williamson's presence near me here ... and I don't believe it's just psychological.

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #6 on: January 29, 2025, 05:51:09 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, I was in Winona some years after you, 2002-2004. Matthew was a few years ahead of me.
    I was new to tradition, so I kind of felt like a fish out of water, so to speak. But I can relate to everything you narrate..spiritual conferences, His Excellency's exacting methods, etc. 
    I must admit, it took me years after my departure to truly realize the treasures we had in the Bishop. 
    I have 2 stories to share...though there were so many more...
    Upon the completion of my "Humanities" year, I opted to do my summer apostolate in Winona, helping out with the retreats...(Serving food, washing dishes, etc., and other Manualia ...) 
    At the time, I was dealing with extreme scrupulosity. After Compline one night, I needed to talk, and my spiritual director, Fr. Doran, as well as most priests were away. I knocked on The Bishop's office door...a knock which, as you likely recall, would be met with an immediate and authoritative .."Come in!" 
    He gave me his wise counsel, dispelled my fears as a good father does, and then surprised me...
    He knew I was a musician and that he and I shared a love of Beethoven, and the piano..(He, on occasion,  had me perform some excerpts for the class a fee excerpts of a Beethoven Sonata; and he himself performed the 2nd movement of the Pathetique Sonata once) 
    He took the opportunity, on this particular evening, to ask me if I "wanted to listen to a bit of music..." 
    Of course I replied in the affirmative...
    He comically proceeded to "tiptoe" (as it was after Compline,) over to his cabinet to retrieve
    A DVD...it was a DVD of a Van Cliburn competition of piano concerti, featuring Beethoven, Mozart, Prokofiev, and, my favorite, Rachmaninov. 
    He then led the way up to music room, and we watched the performances late into the night. His commentary was priceless, especially when there was a performance of the "Rach 3" Cadenza...it was performed by Russian pianist, Olga Kern. As she was playing, he commented on how inappropriate (to put it nicely) it was for a woman to be performing a "man's role," as he termed it, especially with her neck veins popping out at the difficult point of the cadenza...I won't repeat the description he termed...😂 I'm not making this up...
    It's a humorous anecdote, but one which I treasure now more than ever. He was truly a father, in every sense of the word. 
    Before I went on summer vacation, he took it upon himself to telephone my pastor at the time, Fr. Arthur DeMaio, who was a friend of the SSPX, to explain to him my scrupulous condition (external forum only) and if he'd be willing to help me spiritually as needed.

    The other story is a bit shorter...
    His Excellency has visited the seminary (the year Fr. LeRoux took over) on Christmas of 2003. He said the midnight Mass. I was scheduled as the organist. 
    I played Bach's "Air in G" for an Offertory interlude after the proper was sung...I was told by those who were serving, that the bishop was softly humming along with the well known melody during the incensation of the altar.

    As I recall, the sermon was great, and it predictably (and most welcomely) went into the events of 9/11 because he was talking about most people who are lulled to sleep in the shadow of death and the world of falsity.

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #7 on: January 29, 2025, 06:15:17 PM »
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  • As I wrote this also last one, I can almost sense Bishop Williamson's presence near me here ... and I don't believe it's just psychological.

    Evidently he passed away an hour after I wrote this.  Someohow I had this "feeling" (I've felt it a couple times with other relatives as well), and I actually prayed for him for some time afterwards, probably right through his actual passing away.


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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #8 on: January 29, 2025, 06:28:20 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, I was in Winona some years after you, 2002-2004. Matthew was a few years ahead of me.

    Thank you for sharing.  When I started there, I too suffered from scruples, but Father Delaplace cured me of them almost instantly.  He just gave me a command that I was not to confess anything or to refrain from Holy Communion unless I could basically swear to him that I had committed a mortal sin.  He said that if I did happen to be wrong, it would be on him, since I'd have been acting from obedience.  That was like an instant cure, since I was very much committed to obedience at the time.

    Interesting about the choice of music.  Bishop Williamson always referred to Beethoven as his "guilty pleasure", and I always considered mine to be Rachmaninoff 3 (as well as 2) ... with Van Cliburn my favorite performer thereof.  I didn't know His Excellency actually enjoyed Rachmaninoff 3 also.

    And, yes, I was called in on some of those "secret" (shhh!) video-watching sessions, though one time it was about Garbandal ... though I knew nothing about it at the time.

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #9 on: January 29, 2025, 07:43:28 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, I was in Winona some years after you, 2002-2004. Matthew was a few years ahead of me.
    I was new to tradition, so I kind of felt like a fish out of water, so to speak. But I can relate to everything you narrate..spiritual conferences, His Excellency's exacting methods, etc.
    I must admit, it took me years after my departure to truly realize the treasures we had in the Bishop.
    I have 2 stories to share...though there were so many more...
    Upon the completion of my "Humanities" year, I opted to do my summer apostolate in Winona, helping out with the retreats...(Serving food, washing dishes, etc., and other Manualia ...)
    At the time, I was dealing with extreme scrupulosity. After Compline one night, I needed to talk, and my spiritual director, Fr. Doran, as well as most priests were away. I knocked on The Bishop's office door...a knock which, as you likely recall, would be met with an immediate and authoritative .."Come in!"
    He gave me his wise counsel, dispelled my fears as a good father does, and then surprised me...
    He knew I was a musician and that he and I shared a love of Beethoven, and the piano..(He, on occasion,  had me perform some excerpts for the class a fee excerpts of a Beethoven Sonata; and he himself performed the 2nd movement of the Pathetique Sonata once)
    He took the opportunity, on this particular evening, to ask me if I "wanted to listen to a bit of music..."
    Of course I replied in the affirmative...
    He comically proceeded to "tiptoe" (as it was after Compline,) over to his cabinet to retrieve
    A DVD...it was a DVD of a Van Cliburn competition of piano concerti, featuring Beethoven, Mozart, Prokofiev, and, my favorite, Rachmaninov.
    He then led the way up to music room, and we watched the performances late into the night. His commentary was priceless, especially when there was a performance of the "Rach 3" Cadenza...it was performed by Russian pianist, Olga Kern. As she was playing, he commented on how inappropriate (to put it nicely) it was for a woman to be performing a "man's role," as he termed it, especially with her neck veins popping out at the difficult point of the cadenza...I won't repeat the description he termed...😂 I'm not making this up...
    It's a humorous anecdote, but one which I treasure now more than ever. He was truly a father, in every sense of the word.
    Before I went on summer vacation, he took it upon himself to telephone my pastor at the time, Fr. Arthur DeMaio, who was a friend of the SSPX, to explain to him my scrupulous condition (external forum only) and if he'd be willing to help me spiritually as needed.

    The other story is a bit shorter...
    His Excellency has visited the seminary (the year Fr. LeRoux took over) on Christmas of 2003. He said the midnight Mass. I was scheduled as the organist.
    I played Bach's "Air in G" for an Offertory interlude after the proper was sung...I was told by those who were serving, that the bishop was softly humming along with the well known melody during the incensation of the altar.

    As I recall, the sermon was great, and it predictably (and most welcomely) went into the events of 9/11 because he was talking about most people who are lulled to sleep in the shadow of death and the world of falsity.
    Probably hard to see on a CRT screen, but I think those "veins" are tendons. This 2001 performance may have been the one you saw

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #10 on: January 30, 2025, 12:52:11 AM »
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  • Thank you for sharing.  When I started there, I too suffered from scruples, but Father Delaplace cured me of them almost instantly.  He just gave me a command that I was not to confess anything or to refrain from Holy Communion unless I could basically swear to him that I had committed a mortal sin.  He said that if I did happen to be wrong, it would be on him, since I'd have been acting from obedience.  That was like an instant cure, since I was very much committed to obedience at the time.

    Interesting about the choice of music.  Bishop Williamson always referred to Beethoven as his "guilty pleasure", and I always considered mine to be Rachmaninoff 3 (as well as 2) ... with Van Cliburn my favorite performer thereof.  I didn't know His Excellency actually enjoyed Rachmaninoff 3 also.

    And, yes, I was called in on some of those "secret" (shhh!) video-watching sessions, though one time it was about Garbandal ... though I knew nothing about it at the time.
    Excellent advice. I was given some similar to this. 
    He didn't really like the Rach 3, but he was kind enough to watch it with me. 


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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #11 on: January 30, 2025, 12:53:31 AM »
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  • Probably hard to see on a CRT screen, but I think those "veins" are tendons. This 2001 performance may have been the one you saw


    Yes, that's precisely the one! I still have the DVD which he gave to me.🙂

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #12 on: January 30, 2025, 02:38:44 AM »
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  • Probably hard to see on a CRT screen, but I think those "veins" are tendons. This 2001 performance may have been the one you saw


    The pianist obviously didn’t have on enough clothes. Imagine that top in white, beige, or black, and it’s an undergarment.
    I’ve noticed that many old liberal women wear clothes that show off their neck tendons, chin dewlap, and crepe skin. Have a look at Nancy Peℓσѕι, NY Governor Hochul, Hillary Clinton, the late Ruth Badger Ginsberg. My last boss, an ultra liberal of about 70 had the same thing. She “grew up Catholic” and married a Joo, but referred to herself as “non-denominational”  Christian.
    The Bishop had a point. Rach Cadenza “sounds” masculine to me—based on my women’s intuition. 

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    « Reply #13 on: January 30, 2025, 03:37:23 AM »
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  • Another anecdote. I attended a celebration/conference in Virginia, +Bp. Williamson’s anniversary, in 2012, I think. The festivities concluded with a picnic at a public park. Everyone was asked to bring either a main dish, dessert, salad, etc. Somehow, I ended up sitting behind the dessert and snack table. There were all kinds of foods, most of them brought by health conscious people. His Excellency looked them over and began reading the labels aloud, “Gluten free, no GMO, fat free, low fat, tree nut free, low sodium, non-dairy, sugar free, gluten free, gluten free, gluten free, contains no gluten……” Having taken nothing, he looked up at me and queried, “Have you anything glutinous? I like gluten!” 
    He chose a square of homemade thick, gooey brownie with a layer of confectioner's sugar on top!  

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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #14 on: January 31, 2025, 11:57:04 AM »
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  • Again, not a seminarian, but an amusing anecdote, previously shared in the women’s thread.

    Oh my...  The things that come out of the mouths of children!  😅🤣

    This reminds me of an incident that took place before I was married when I was visiting some friends...

    Bishop Williamson was there for dinner and a 6 y.o. girl sitting near him asked him, "Excellency, why don't you have a wife?"

    The Bishop looked taken aback the parents were aghast and horried and the poor inquisitive little girl got an answer that she did not understand very well. 😅🤣