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Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
« on: December 12, 2025, 08:56:06 PM »
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  • I recently watched a lot of youtube, and here's what I learned:

    Sta-bil is probably the best fuel stabilizer (actually I already knew that having had very good success with it).

    Hot Shot's is probably the best diesel additive by a lot.

    Do use fuel additives such as fuel system cleaners.

    DON'T use oil additives, except maybe a flush product minutes before an oil change and without driving with it. Oils are already specially formulated to perform as best as possible for whatever specific application they are designed for.

    Don't frequently change the brand/formulation of oil, as different formulations can fight with the residue of the last one causing worse oil performance. This is the same reason to not use additives.

    Don't use diesel oil in gas engines (women would never do that) or gas oil in diesels; the oil manufacturers know more than you about what works best in what, and doing otherwise really could be catastrophic in a few engines.

    Amsoil Signature Series is the best there is in my opinion because it ranks lower high to upper middle across many specific tests and use purposes, which means it is not necessarily best at any one thing, but is plenty good enough at everything. It's an above average average oil such that using another formulation could compromise performance/protection in some areas while improving in others.

    Don't use new oil that has been stored for many years (beyond 3-5 years). The fresher the better. Even sealed new oil can degrade, absorb moisture, and oxidize, significantly losing it's ability to protect the engine.

    Do make sure the cap is tight on on your unopened oil, and store it on an upper shelf in the house (where it stays warm and the AC keeps the humidity down). Cold, and sitting for years, can cause the built-in additives to separate out, which are not easy to mix back in (shaking the bottle does almost nothing). Old oil still works, but is it worth shortening the life of an engine with as expensive as they are now?


    Finally, there is no such thing as Lifetime Fluid. Antifreeze, Brake fluid, Transmission fluid, 20,000 mile motor oil all must be changed regularly and probably much more often than your car dealer recommends, if you want the systems those fluids go in to last more than just 150-300k miles. They attract moisture causing rust, change PH and become corrosive, break down or fill up with suspended sediment that becomes abrasive.

    The cause of oil consumption in old engines apart from leaks is probably due to not just regular wear, but the oil rings on the pistons, which have a hard life with little oil flow, getting clogged with sludge, and failing to deliver oil to the cylinders. Sludge comes from old oil getting baked on. It's an indication of excessive heat or mainly not enough fresh oil with fresh detergent is flowing through that area. These lower oil rings may be one of the only places with any indication of sludge due to the harsh conditions they operate in.

    A solution would be to use oil with a particularly strong cleaning ability, and changing it every 5k or less, with an occasional detergent engine flush. Sludge can start as soon as 20-30k and get severe enough to cause harm around 60k.


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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #1 on: December 12, 2025, 10:07:55 PM »
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  • What do you think about oil weights? I’ve had this argument with Guys on the 4g eclipse forum they tell everybody to run 10/30 when it calls for 5/20. I lived in the cold north east and I tried to explain to them the 5 weight is necessary because most engine damage occurs on start up. The 20 weight is necessary to work the variable valve timing properly. Of course it’s an eclipse forum so they beat the snot out of their cars in places like Florida so it makes a big difference they may benefit at 110*f when racing the things but under normal conditions the 5/20 the manufacturer recommends is probably more wise. The 5 weight when it is -10*f is more likely to save your engine for the long run. I change the oil in it 4 times a year usually every 2000 miles or so in the change of the season so heat related break down isn’t as much of a concern to me. But now I live in Knoxville so I think I’m still safe with the recommended oil. We had a flat earth style melt down in the forum over this discussion 🤣 i realize the 0 weight nowadays is mostly for fuel savings and newer engines may benefit from a 5/20 but the low numbers in the early 2000s like in my 06 eclipse was more about getting the oil flowing faster on cold starts. Cold starts kill engines! This new stop start technology sends your oil pressure to 0 now every time you hit a red light and that is ridiculous in it’s own way.


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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #2 on: December 23, 2025, 06:31:01 PM »
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  • I check the manual, and they show a variety of weights based on outside temperature. It seems modern engines do well with a 0w with how good the base oil quality is these days, but I'd prefer a higher number at running temps. There's a lot of engineering that goes into getting the perfect oil for a particular application, but with the quality of oil these days, just make sure you use it and keep it fresh. 

    Something to keep in mind if you want thicker oil for more protection is that, a low winter/cold viscosity oil will likely break down and get thinner a lot faster than a thicker cold viscosity. Even though you could run 0w-50 (what sports cars recommend), that 50 will break down to 40 or 30 relatively quickly compared to a 20w-50 or SAE50. The base oil viscosity seems to be the most durable part according to my understanding, while the viscosity modifiers that get thicker as they heat up (less thin may be the better term, since even 50 weight may be thinner at 200F than 0 weight at 50F) are large molecules that get ripped apart more easily.

    My plan is to use 0W-40 in the winter, and 10W-40 in the summer in my old engine that consumes some oil.

    I really wish they had an oil pressure primer system on all engines, or delayed fuel pumping while the engine cranks to let oil circulate before the engine experiences high pressure.

    I found some Valvoline Restore & Protect, I'm going to try to see if it cleans better than Amsoil SS. I took some before pictures to compare, and even though the Amsoil SS is supposed to clean better than their other blends, I think the Valvoline will clean better since that is the particular purpose of that formula. Unfortunately it only comes in 0w-20, 5w-20, and 5w-30.

    I just ran some 5 year old e10 pump gas in a small engine with no problems, stored in a 5 gal can with Sta-bil. It's all I've used since I got it. I've gone through 10 gallons so far with some of it sitting in a 2 stroke tool for a whole year without use. 
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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #3 on: December 23, 2025, 11:32:14 PM »
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  • I check the manual, and they show a variety of weights based on outside temperature. It seems modern engines do well with a 0w with how good the base oil quality is these days, but I'd prefer a higher number at running temps. There's a lot of engineering that goes into getting the perfect oil for a particular application, but with the quality of oil these days, just make sure you use it and keep it fresh.

    Something to keep in mind if you want thicker oil for more protection is that, a low winter/cold viscosity oil will likely break down and get thinner a lot faster than a thicker cold viscosity. Even though you could run 0w-50 (what sports cars recommend), that 50 will break down to 40 or 30 relatively quickly compared to a 20w-50 or SAE50. The base oil viscosity seems to be the most durable part according to my understanding, while the viscosity modifiers that get thicker as they heat up (less thin may be the better term, since even 50 weight may be thinner at 200F than 0 weight at 50F) are large molecules that get ripped apart more easily.

    My plan is to use 0W-40 in the winter, and 10W-40 in the summer in my old engine that consumes some oil.

    I really wish they had an oil pressure primer system on all engines, or delayed fuel pumping while the engine cranks to let oil circulate before the engine experiences high pressure.

    I found some Valvoline Restore & Protect, I'm going to try to see if it cleans better than Amsoil SS. I took some before pictures to compare, and even though the Amsoil SS is supposed to clean better than their other blends, I think the Valvoline will clean better since that is the particular purpose of that formula. Unfortunately it only comes in 0w-20, 5w-20, and 5w-30.

    I just ran some 5 year old e10 pump gas in a small engine with no problems, stored in a 5 gal can with Sta-bil. It's all I've used since I got it. I've gone through 10 gallons so far with some of it sitting in a 2 stroke tool for a whole year without use.
    I threw that idea at a/i either a retrofit or idea for new engines with a heated oil pan and hot oil squirters placed near bearing surfaces and run it off an electric pump inside the pan with hard lines and flex lines running to the heads and block. You could shut it down after start up and just run off the mechanical pump
    as normal. It told me it was an excellent idea but risk complexity and excessive cost of production and or installations. Haha but in the endless pursuit of green sustainability it was plausible. I guess if your getting 1,000,000 miles on Toyota engines built 10 years ago they are at the point of good enough. Now everything is putting turbos on small engines trying to keep the same power while torturing the little motors and that is proving to be unsustainable so maybe I can pitch it to Toyota after all. 

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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #4 on: December 24, 2025, 04:24:19 AM »
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  • The key to car care is going above and beyond with maintenance and repairs. 


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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #5 on: December 24, 2025, 09:32:17 AM »
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  • I recently watched a lot of youtube, and here's what I learned:

    Sta-bil is probably the best fuel stabilizer (actually I already knew that having had very good success with it).

    Hot Shot's is probably the best diesel additive by a lot.

    Do use fuel additives such as fuel system cleaners.

    DON'T use oil additives, except maybe a flush product minutes before an oil change and without driving with it. Oils are already specially formulated to perform as best as possible for whatever specific application they are designed for.

    Don't frequently change the brand/formulation of oil, as different formulations can fight with the residue of the last one causing worse oil performance. This is the same reason to not use additives.

    Don't use diesel oil in gas engines (women would never do that) or gas oil in diesels; the oil manufacturers know more than you about what works best in what, and doing otherwise really could be catastrophic in a few engines.

    Amsoil Signature Series is the best there is in my opinion because it ranks lower high to upper middle across many specific tests and use purposes, which means it is not necessarily best at any one thing, but is plenty good enough at everything. It's an above average average oil such that using another formulation could compromise performance/protection in some areas while improving in others.

    Don't use new oil that has been stored for many years (beyond 3-5 years). The fresher the better. Even sealed new oil can degrade, absorb moisture, and oxidize, significantly losing it's ability to protect the engine.

    Do make sure the cap is tight on on your unopened oil, and store it on an upper shelf in the house (where it stays warm and the AC keeps the humidity down). Cold, and sitting for years, can cause the built-in additives to separate out, which are not easy to mix back in (shaking the bottle does almost nothing). Old oil still works, but is it worth shortening the life of an engine with as expensive as they are now?


    Finally, there is no such thing as Lifetime Fluid. Antifreeze, Brake fluid, Transmission fluid, 20,000 mile motor oil all must be changed regularly and probably much more often than your car dealer recommends, if you want the systems those fluids go in to last more than just 150-300k miles. They attract moisture causing rust, change PH and become corrosive, break down or fill up with suspended sediment that becomes abrasive.

    The cause of oil consumption in old engines apart from leaks is probably due to not just regular wear, but the oil rings on the pistons, which have a hard life with little oil flow, getting clogged with sludge, and failing to deliver oil to the cylinders. Sludge comes from old oil getting baked on. It's an indication of excessive heat or mainly not enough fresh oil with fresh detergent is flowing through that area. These lower oil rings may be one of the only places with any indication of sludge due to the harsh conditions they operate in.

    A solution would be to use oil with a particularly strong cleaning ability, and changing it every 5k or less, with an occasional detergent engine flush. Sludge can start as soon as 20-30k and get severe enough to cause harm around 60k.



    I recently came across this Youtube channel. He is basically a mythbuster for motor oil. For example, he makes the case that letting your car warmup before driving is actually doing more harm vs. driving off immediately. Also, he has videos that inexpensive synthetic oil is just as good as higher price oils (Amsoil, Purple, etc). Be aware that most of his videos contain a lot of data and terms you might not be aware of. So, it can be little dry and just go to the conclusion.

    https://www.youtube.com/@themotoroilgeek

    Also, for Toyota owners this is also a very good YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheCarCareNut

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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #6 on: December 24, 2025, 09:36:06 AM »
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  • The key to car care is going above and beyond with maintenance and repairs.
    That’s true but the crisis right now is real. New cars just like new homes are a craps shoot. If you have something reliable that’s older your better off putting money in it till it rots than spending 60-70000 on a lemon

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Awg5kffgqss&pp=ygUdbW9kZXJuIGNhcnMgYXJlIGdldHRpbmcgd29yc2U%3D


    The x tools d7 is the best thing I ever bought. It’s saved me and the neighborhood 1,000s I made my money back off it the first week.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/305082527010?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1uznGsLtCR9qT_YvC4yI7hQ18&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=305082527010&targetid=4580771614098644&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=64808&poi=&campaignid=603247547&mkgroupid=1234752552191001&rlsatarget=pla-4580771614098644&abcId=9316119&merchantid=51291&msclkid=1a64d8e13b481b5f842cb1ad3ca5245d




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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #7 on: December 24, 2025, 09:53:04 AM »
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  • I recently came across this Youtube channel. He is basically a mythbuster for motor oil. For example, he makes the case that letting your car warmup before driving is actually doing more harm vs. driving off immediately. Also, he has videos that inexpensive synthetic oil is just as good as higher price oils (Amsoil, Purple, etc). Be aware that most of his videos contain a lot of data and terms you might not be aware of. So, it can be little dry and just go to the conclusion.

    https://www.youtube.com/@themotoroilgeek

    Also, for Toyota owners this is also a very good YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheCarCareNut
    A lot of the newer cars say just drive off. I’ve always waited for the closed loop. When you first start the car you see it jump to about 1500 rpm it’s not a good time to smash it in reverse back out and go. Let the rpm come down to the normal idle of about 650 rpm then go. The idea of not letting it idle is good but  it’s safer to let the o2 sensors heat up so the engine can get a good read on how much gas and air are going in and actually combusting. It’s better on your transmission not to drop it in reverse at 1500 rpm. The oil may get to the top and working parts faster but your putting other systems at risk of excessive wear and usually running rich enough to pollute the oil. Which will burn off but not If your only making short trips. But the oil  geek knows his oil. I think he worked for a racing team for a while. The idea of royal purple and amsoil is racing applications not for normal driving conditions. I believe that’s where the just as good comes from.


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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #8 on: December 24, 2025, 10:16:52 AM »
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  • I recently came across this Youtube channel. He is basically a mythbuster for motor oil. For example, he makes the case that letting your car warmup before driving is actually doing more harm vs. driving off immediately. Also, he has videos that inexpensive synthetic oil is just as good as higher price oils (Amsoil, Purple, etc). Be aware that most of his videos contain a lot of data and terms you might not be aware of. So, it can be little dry and just go to the conclusion.

    https://www.youtube.com/@themotoroilgeek

    Also, for Toyota owners this is also a very good YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheCarCareNut
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    Yes, I think in general it's best to follow the guidelines that are given in the owner's manual. Some of these ideas are probably old holdovers from engines a long time ago that had issues that do not exist in modern engines due to improvement in design.

    For example, the good old "Italian tune-up", the idea that driving a car fast at high revs, possibly in a lower gear, will burn out carbon deposits probably used to be true in Ferraris from the 70s, but is not the case anymore with the detergent additives in gasoline.

    The idea of the 3,000 mile oil change was invented as a scam by quick-change oil places and has been debunked many times. The people who actually built the car know best how often the oil needs to be changed, and they put it in the owner's manual, and it is usually 8-10k for most modern cars, or sometimes as low as 5k, but it's best to just follow whatever it says.

    The long warm-up when starting a cold engine is actually bad for the engine because it prolongs the amount of time it takes for the engine to warm up, and most engine wear occurs when the engine is cold. I used to have a car that had an oil pressure gauge, and I noticed that it took about five seconds for the oil pressure to reach the proper level, so when I start the car cold I give it about 5-10 seconds for the oil to reach the right pressure and then I start driving. I do avoid revving the engine high when it's cold, though; that's probably reasonable.

    Cars nowadays are vastly more sturdy from a mechanical point of view than cars from the 20th century, and will last longer than most people are able to drive them with just basic maintenance. I think about 20 years ago cars became so reliable that they just last forever.

    I have a theory, and I can't prove it, but I think before the turn of the century the majority of cars reached the end of their life due to mechanical failure, but that now the majority of cars reach the end of life due to an accident. I think the engines and other important systems last so much longer since then that the odds of getting into an accident finally became higher than the odds of mechanical failure. What I mean is, with every mile that a car is driven, there is a tiny chance of being totaled in an accident. So, for example, it would be unlikely to be able to drive a car a million miles without being in an accident, even if the car doesn't have a mechanical failure. So many cars over the last 20-30 years are naturally able to go 2-300k or more fairly easily, but the odds of cars doing that without being wrecked is rather low.

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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #9 on: December 24, 2025, 10:25:00 AM »
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  • A lot of the newer cars say just drive off. I’ve always waited for the closed loop. When you first start the car you see it jump to about 1500 rpm it’s not a good time to smash it in reverse back out and go. Let the rpm come down to the normal idle of about 650 rpm then go. The idea of not letting it idle is good but  it’s safer to let the o2 sensors heat up so the engine can get a good read on how much gas and air are going in and actually combusting. It’s better on your transmission not to drop it in reverse at 1500 rpm. The oil may get to the top and working parts faster but your putting other systems at risk of excessive wear and usually running rich enough to pollute the oil. Which will burn off but not If your only making short trips. But the oil  geek knows his oil. I think he worked for a racing team for a while. The idea of royal purple and amsoil is racing applications not for normal driving conditions. I believe that’s where the just as good comes from.
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    The engine runs a bit faster when it is started cold due to the richer fuel mixture that the engine uses when it's cold. It's completely normal. It's probably a bad idea to peal out of a stoplight when it's like that, but I think it's designed to be driven in that condition.

    Yes, an ODB-II adapter is absolutely necessary for anyone who doesn't want to shell out vast amounts of money to a shop every time the Check Engine Light turns on. Those things are fantastic.

    I have a 2012 Honda Civic with 321,000 miles, and it still runs just as well as when it was brand new. Oil changes every 5,000 miles with cheap store brand oil from Wal Mart. I do use the "high mileage for cars with over 75,000 miles" stuff, every since it crossed that threshold so long ago. Gas mileage has gone down about 4-5 mpg since it was new, but what can you do. I replace the transmission fluid with Honda's own fluid about every 70k or so. Coolant, brake fluid, serpentine belt, steering fluid have never been replaced. :trollface:

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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #10 on: December 24, 2025, 12:39:29 PM »
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  • That’s true but the crisis right now is real. New cars just like new homes are a craps shoot. If you have something reliable that’s older your better off putting money in it till it rots than spending 60-70000 on a lemon

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Awg5kffgqss&pp=ygUdbW9kZXJuIGNhcnMgYXJlIGdldHRpbmcgd29yc2U%3D


    The x tools d7 is the best thing I ever bought. It’s saved me and the neighborhood 1,000s I made my money back off it the first week.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/305082527010?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1uznGsLtCR9qT_YvC4yI7hQ18&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=305082527010&targetid=4580771614098644&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=64808&poi=&campaignid=603247547&mkgroupid=1234752552191001&rlsatarget=pla-4580771614098644&abcId=9316119&merchantid=51291&msclkid=1a64d8e13b481b5f842cb1ad3ca5245d
    Can the D7 work without an internet connection with all available features? Can it work for more than a month or 2 without internet? It sounds like a great tool, but may just be another Chinese spy device like DJI drones that require frequent "updates" from China. Regardless, internet dependent and subscription dependent tools are more of an inconvenience and waste of money. 
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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #11 on: December 24, 2025, 10:42:32 PM »
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  • Can the D7 work without an internet connection with all available features? Can it work for more than a month or 2 without internet? It sounds like a great tool, but may just be another Chinese spy device like DJI drones that require frequent "updates" from China. Regardless, internet dependent and subscription dependent tools are more of an inconvenience and waste of money.
    It does actually run without internet. The only time you need to hook it up is for updates but it comes with everything preloaded up to 2024-2025 ish depending when it was manufactured. The only updates mandatory are when you are looking at cars manufactured past the date the x tool was manufactured. So if you wanted to keep it off the internet completely it’s an option I got the hard cable version not the WiFi so mines been offline for almost a year now. It’s very rare they add older car data into it. 

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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #12 on: December 25, 2025, 09:41:37 AM »
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  • I just remember being about to buy one, and going through the bad reviews (you never know what info you'll fine there, helpful or not) and one or two on either the D7 and/or D8 said it has to connect to a Chinese IP every 30 days or it stops working. I'm not convinced that Snap-On would have all info available on the device even for $5-10k, but I haven't looked into that.

    If you can keep it disconnected from WiFi 100% of the time and still confirm the advanced functions work on any car not newer than the updates it already has after a few months, I may buy one. That would be a huge help. I can't remember why I wanted the D8, but I wanted it to do everything.

    Can your D7 show the mileage on the various modules, like the engine module to compare it to the odometer? That would be one main reason I'd get one to confirm I (or whoever I'm helping) is not getting a car with a rolled back odometer.
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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #13 on: December 25, 2025, 09:49:31 AM »
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  • I also learned that it is better to let filters, such as the air filter, go longer before cleaning or replacing, because the dirt it collects improves it's ability to catch smaller particles, with only a minor decrease in engine power in normal use cases. They design filters to be over-sized so that they can still flow while holding a significant amount of dirt. I think it unlikely, though not impossible, for engine filters to blow out from the suction experienced by filling to capacity due to the strength of their design.

    A tip to help make sure no fine dust leaks around it is to use a bead of grease on the mating surfaces of the filter's seal. Even fine dust, which will most likely be hard minerals from the road, can blow around the pistons and end up in the oil increasing wear.
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    Re: Engine Maintenance Tips: Additives & Oil
    « Reply #14 on: December 25, 2025, 08:25:18 PM »
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  • I just remember being about to buy one, and going through the bad reviews (you never know what info you'll fine there, helpful or not) and one or two on either the D7 and/or D8 said it has to connect to a Chinese IP every 30 days or it stops working. I'm not convinced that Snap-On would have all info available on the device even for $5-10k, but I haven't looked into that.

    If you can keep it disconnected from WiFi 100% of the time and still confirm the advanced functions work on any car not newer than the updates it already has after a few months, I may buy one. That would be a huge help. I can't remember why I wanted the D8, but I wanted it to do everything.

    Can your D7 show the mileage on the various modules, like the engine module to compare it to the odometer? That would be one main reason I'd get one to confirm I (or whoever I'm helping) is not getting a car with a rolled back odometer.
    “Can your D7 show the mileage on the various modules, like the engine module to compare it to the odometer? That would be one main reason I'd get one to confirm I (or whoever I'm helping) is not getting a car with a rolled back odometer”


    yes! It definitely can as long as the car provides it. It’s bidirectional so you can get to every module the car has and communicate and or actuate it. But as far as the updates go they are absolutely up to you. If you choose not to update it the only things you will miss are new models and very few updates to the old ones. I haven’t updated mine or hooked it up to WiFi since I ran out of free updates about a year ago