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Offline OHCA

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« on: September 09, 2015, 08:00:34 PM »
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  • I read somewhere (maybe on CathInfo--I can't remember) that we should hang on to nickels for the event of a collapse.

    Does anybody know whether that sounds right and the reason for it?

    Are there other coins to make a point of hanging on to?


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    « Reply #1 on: September 10, 2015, 09:19:04 AM »
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  • Never heard of such a thing.  Nickels have essentially the same chemical composition as dimes and quarters (mostly copper, plus a small amount of nickel), so I don't see an advantage of holding onto nickels over these coins.  Pennies are mostly zinc with a small amount of copper.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 10, 2015, 09:38:34 AM »
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  • I can see keeping the older coins that were actually minted with actual precious metals, but modern coins have virtually no real value other than the fact that merchants will accept them in payment for real goods and services.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 10, 2015, 10:38:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: OHCA
    I read somewhere (maybe on CathInfo--I can't remember) that we should hang on to nickels for the event of a collapse.

    Does anybody know whether that sounds right and the reason for it?

    Are there other coins to make a point of hanging on to?


    I read that somewhere too, and always wondered if it was legit.  I think I read it here:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/01/james-wesley-rawles/mass-inflation-ahead-save-your-nickels/
     
    but I don't remember his reasons for it.  

    Here's another one:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/larry-laborde/is-now-the-time-to-stock-up-on-nickels/


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    « Reply #4 on: September 10, 2015, 11:08:13 AM »
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  • I thought it was because the nickel is the only coin worth more than it's face value. So, if all of the US currency becomes worthless, that one will still be worth about what is now 6 cents. I don't know what that would do for you in a collapse, though. It would be a long time before anyone would be willing to trade for anything that they couldn't use or eat.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 10, 2015, 11:35:52 AM »
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  • They're likely referring to the fact that the "melt value" of the nickel in the nickel is higher than the face value, so getting a nickel in your hand is technically profit.


    It's an impossible profit to realize as the effort required to get the nickel pure enough from melting coins would eat up your profit difference between face value and melt value.

    Dimes, quarters and halves (notice I don't mention nickels?) were 90% silver before 1965 so you should grab all pre-1965 dimes, quarters and halves. Half Dollars were 40% silver 1965-1970 so you should grab them.

    *Nickels* pre-1965 were *not silver* however and essentially the same as a modern nickel with regards to solver content (lack thereof). The only nickels worth anything are the "war nickels, from 1942-45 which were indeed mostly silver.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 10, 2015, 11:39:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: OHCA
    I read somewhere (maybe on CathInfo--I can't remember) that we should hang on to nickels for the event of a collapse.

    Does anybody know whether that sounds right and the reason for it?

    Are there other coins to make a point of hanging on to?


    Nickels have the most inherent value compared to other modern coins, since nickel (25%) is the most valuable metal used today in stock American currency.  But whether they will be in high demand or not in the future is another question.  With extreme civil unrest, why would even gold or silver be of much interest to starving people, instead of food, water, or something that could obtain such things -- such as ammunition?

    In 1943, copper was in high demand for the war effort, so pennies were minted of steel with a little zinc mixed in.  Today steel 1943 pennies sell for maybe two or three cents each, but the very few copper pennies that were struck with 1943 dies are valued at over $100,000 each.  Copper (and maybe nickel) might again be in high demand in a future war, but hoarding them in anticipation wouldn't be smarter than buying up ammo, for example.

    The mostly-copper American cent prior to 1981 was replaced in 1982 with a zinc core (97.5%) that is only plated with copper for appearance (2.5%).  They say that durability is a key consideration in the choice of metals in minting coins, but these new zinc core cents don't hold up very well.  Once the copper is worn even in one tiny spot, the zinc inside quickly corrodes away.  I've found such pennies lying on the ground that are virtually unrecognizable in details such as the date stamp, but they might have been in the dirt for only a few months or years.  Some are rotted all the way through, and this would not have happened to a copper penny less than 200 years old.

    Nickles today are 25% nickel and the balance (75%) is copper ("cupro-nickel").  Compared to the rest of the denominations, that's the highest nickel content.  The dime, quarter and half-dollar all have 8.3% nickel and 91.6% copper.
    Presidential $1 coins and Native American $1 coins are made of manganese brass, with 88.5% copper, 6% zinc, 3.5% manganese and 2% nickel.  

    (Brass is an alloy or blend of copper and zinc, while bronze is made of copper and tin.)

    Nickel is not a precious metal, but only semi-precious, as copper likewise.  Zinc and manganese are not significantly more rare or valuable than is iron or steel.


    If you want to collect something that will be in high demand for trading once a monetary crisis begins, you ought to consider stockpiling ammunition, especially .22 cal rimfire Long Rifle, .308 (or 7.62 mm), 30-30, .45 cal. and .38 cal.  (7 mm Remington, 12 ga shotgun shells, 30-06 and .44 magnum might be desirable as well, but not as much so as the former calibers.)



    Data from chart on http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=8088
    Denomination    Metal used    Composition (%)    Weight (g)    Diameter    Thickness (mm)    Edge    No. of Reeds

    Cent    Copper-plated Zinc    2.5 Cu Balance Zn    2.500    0.750 in. (19.05 mm)    1.55    Plain    N/A

    Nickel    Cupro-Nickel    25 Ni Balance Cu    5.000    0.835 in. (21.21 mm)    1.95    Plain    N/A

    Dime    Cupro-Nickel    8.33 Ni Balance Cu    2.268    0.705 in. (17.91 mm)    1.35    Reeded    118

    Quarter Dollar    Cupro-Nickel    8.33 Ni Balance Cu    5.670    0.955 in. (24.26 mm)    1.75    Reeded    119

    Half Dollar    Cupro-Nickel    8.33 Ni Balance Cu    11.340    1.205 in. (30.61 mm)    2.15    Reeded    150

    Presidential $1    Manganese-Brass    88.5 Cu 6 Zn 3.5 Mn 2Ni    8.1    1.043 in. (26.49 mm)    2.00    Edge- Lettering    N/A

    Native American $1 Coin    Manganese-Brass    88.5% Cu 6 Zn 3.5 Mn 2 Ni    8.1    1.043 in. (26.49 mm)    2.00    Edge-Lettering    N/A

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    « Reply #7 on: September 10, 2015, 12:17:18 PM »
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  • Neil,

    I second what you're saying, I was just answering the question as it was actually asked, not addressing the flaw in storing a currency or precious metal for a economic doomsday scenario.

    I've posted this on CI before, if one is going to stockpile for barter (as opposed to storing food, water and ammo for personal family use) no one is going to trade a can of Hormel chili for your precious horde of silver and gold.

     
    • the most popular metal and wood building materials and tools like 2 x 4s, copper tubing, brand name tools, aluminum ladders
    • your business inventory if you are a retail merchant
    • agricultural products if you have a farm or garden or live where many other have farms or gardens
    • popular brand name children’s clothing and women’s accessories
    • possibly, depending on infrastructure, popular brand name gadgets like calculators, iPods, iPads, cameras, and so on (beware of obsolescence)
    • consumer consumables in their original unopened packages like soap, shampoo, razors, canned or bottled food, vitamins and over-the-counter medicines, computer paper, toner cartridges
    • tires
    • medical supplies (medicines, needles, even Band-Aids and disinfectants etc), fishing equipment, ammunition, batteries, forever stamps, Coleman lanterns, diapers

    Basically, you want

    • popular items that sell in high volumes during normal times
    • basic rather than luxury items
    • items where there will be no argument about its quality or whether it is a counterfeit (hence original packaging)
    • value that is not so great you would have to sell it in pieces to use it to buy the sorts of things you will want to buy (e.g. a nice car could only be used to buy a very expensive item, same with a bar of gold or silver)


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    « Reply #8 on: September 10, 2015, 12:22:35 PM »
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  • forever stamps??
    Please explain that one. : )
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    « Reply #9 on: September 11, 2015, 01:49:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    forever stamps??
    Please explain that one. : )


    They're an inflation hedge and it of course presumes the postal service is still running. I'm thinking more a hyperinflation scenario than a TEOTWAWKI

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    « Reply #10 on: October 19, 2015, 01:50:05 PM »
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  • I would go for "high end" coins, the kind of really rare and most choice stuff that tends to spiral upward in worth all the time, as there will always be an elite who will do much to obtain one of these extreme rarities, even in a devastated world.  Remember that the elite do have their own little corners of the earth that no one else knows about, situation in isolated parts of public lands and so forth (for they alone ARE "the people" who therefore privately own all that is "public," not us ordinary little ciphers or cattle).
    "O Jerusalem!  How often would I have gathered together your children, as the hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not?" - Matthew 23:37