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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Greater Depression - Chapter I => Topic started by: gladius_veritatis on August 15, 2010, 05:34:50 PM
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Clovis believes BO should arrest Alex Jones et alii.
For what? On what grounds? According to what known laws?
Now, I am no fan of AJ, as I think he is a bit of a tool bag and stays away from speaking the truth about Israel and the Zio-nαzιs. However, the idea that arresting him for being "subversive" strikes me as being grossly misinformed about AJ, what it is to be "subversive", the laws of the USA, etc.
Make your case, Clovis.
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While you are at it, give us your reasons for suppressing the Tea Party movement (which, BTW, has already been hijacked by tool bags within the ruling circle).
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Here is the quote from another thread:
For the record I believe he [i.e., Obama] has been mistaken in persuing a corporatist and not shall we say a more "socialist" solution to the health care crisis in the US. I also believe that he is failing your country by not suppressing the TEA party movement and arresting subservives such as Alex Jones.
IMO, this comment, as it stands, reveals a lot -- none of it good or in harmony with the facts, the truth, right ordering of society, etc.
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Are you surprised to learn that Clovis is a socialist (at least when it comes to health care)? I thought pretty much everyone in Europe was a socialist.
If I considered our government to be good and legitimate I would be all in favor of them imprisoning subversives and suppressing large public anti-government protests. As for our current American government, I am glad that they don't do those things very often.
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He should be arrested for horrible spelling. What would this country come to if we let bad spellers run wild? All systems of government would be brought down while all of the values we hold dear would be vitiated of all meaning. We cannot stand for this subversion of our great country.
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He should be arrested for horrible spelling...
:laugh2: He does have a whopper or two in there!
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Yes, I had to read that note from Clovis about 3 times, I was sure I read it wrong.
Then I noticed her flag, not U.S.A.
I think America has a part in the future in a good way, to bring the world back to God, of course when that happens there might only be 10 people left. :incense:
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Then I noticed her flag, not U.S.A.
I'm pretty sure that would be "his". Although, I think my default is to presume everyone here is male unless they say otherwise.
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Seems I am always wrong, I thought Dulcamara was a he, and found out she was a she, now this.
Maybe Matthew should have that bit of information just below the flag. :idea:
Where is Clovis when we need HIM?
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Obama is a satanic leader and anyone who believes that HE should be arresting anti-government agitators who do some good in exposing the criminal conspiracy in the government is very warped indeed.
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Clovis believes BO should arrest Alex Jones et alii.
For what? On what grounds? According to what known laws?
Now, I am no fan of AJ, as I think he is a bit of a tool bag and stays away from speaking the truth about Israel and the Zio-nαzιs. However, the idea that arresting him for being "subversive" strikes me as being grossly misinformed about AJ, what it is to be "subversive", the laws of the USA, etc.
Make your case, Clovis.
Spreading fear and waffle.
Inciting people against Lawful authority.
I dont see how "Freedom of Speech" is an absolute good and if people are abusing it than in the interests of the greater good of society at large its sometimes necessary to take away their "Freedom of Speech".
The state has every right to suspend the Consitution as God has every right to suspend the laws of nature that He has given. God even has every right to carry out something like Baptism of Desire against His own revealed Law.
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I never thought of that before. How very perceptive of you, Clovis. You're right. Obama couldn't even be in the Whitehouse without God's consent, and even Jesus bent His head to the gov't yoke.
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Clovis believes BO should arrest Alex Jones et alii.
For what? On what grounds? According to what known laws?
Now, I am no fan of AJ, as I think he is a bit of a tool bag and stays away from speaking the truth about Israel and the Zio-nαzιs. However, the idea that arresting him for being "subversive" strikes me as being grossly misinformed about AJ, what it is to be "subversive", the laws of the USA, etc.
Make your case, Clovis.
Spreading fear and waffle.
Inciting people against Lawful authority.
I dont see how "Freedom of Speech" is an absolute good and if people are abusing it than in the interests of the greater good of society at large its sometimes necessary to take away their "Freedom of Speech".
The state has every right to suspend the Consitution as God has every right to suspend the laws of nature that He has given. God even has every right to carry out something like Baptism of Desire against His own revealed Law.
is the authority really lawful? inciting people? what a bout the AMerican revolt? what about your own revlot against Britain? did you not revolt? did not others in your country incite the people to action?
I can see why Europeans are so easily cowed and led!!!
whatever Jones' faults, I have never heard him say we should murder, rob, etc...but stand up for our rights.....
suspension of the Constitution-on what grounds? what limits? what actions? any?
you set up a dangerous precedent....what are your feeling on subsidiarity?
Trinity, your arguement of course makes no sense......yes, God allowed Obama the WH, maybe as a punishment for the rest of us.....soo too Herod was allowed his seat, but Christ did not do everything he, nor Pilate, wanted now did he!
also, he is in charge ultimately, so to say that the King "bent His head to the gov't yoke" is misunderstanding and is rather asinine..more of the superior Catholic ed you and S-myrna got I see..how..americanist of you :laugh1:
Myrna calling for Clovis, yikes......
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Spreading fear and waffle.
in that case, then, soo too should the Bush administration, all of them, for they told us from 9/12/01 on that there were terrorists under every rock and behind every tree just waiting to kill us all any minutes----so too, Rush Limbaugh, Beck,etc-they mimick those warnings......they spread panic and fear daily...still do, as there was a code Orange the whole time I was flying last month to and from home for short vacation in Fl.....dire sounding anouncements over intercom...etc....
They, the above noted, still jump up and down telling us we are all going to die about any minute.......
Clovis, arrest the Bush and peeps then??
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suspension of the Constitution-on what grounds? what limits? what actions? any?
you set up a dangerous precedent....what are your feeling on subsidiarity
It's funny. I totally agree with Clovis, and I totally disagree with him as well. I think the government does have the authority to do the things he says the government should do and I think would be totally legitimate if the government was run by decent people, but I think it is insane to want those things done by our maniacal Godless government.
Let me explain. The Constitution, Congress, etc. all of that is meaningless. In reality we are all slaves of our government. The government could tell us to do whatever it wants and we would have to obey (or face the penalties). The constitution and all that exists just for show. At any moment the government could throw out the constitution and all the laws and bring out the guns. In the past, Presidents such as Lincoln have done exactly that and many think that soon that will happen again. Remember what happened when the southern states demanded their Constitutional rights to secede? As it went with them, so it goes with us. The Constitution is just eye candy to make us feel better. That is the truth of government. Throw out the Republican lies. Government is master, subjects are slaves. Government is parents, subjects are children. Republican governments do not make us any less of slaves, they just lie to us and tell us we are not slaves as the Devil lies to sinners and tells them they are not his slaves. Be happy as a slave (because a just man, though a slave, is free. And an evil man, though a king, is a slave), and hope for a good master.
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Clovis believes BO should arrest Alex Jones et alii.
For what? On what grounds? According to what known laws?
Now, I am no fan of AJ, as I think he is a bit of a tool bag and stays away from speaking the truth about Israel and the Zio-nαzιs. However, the idea that arresting him for being "subversive" strikes me as being grossly misinformed about AJ, what it is to be "subversive", the laws of the USA, etc.
Make your case, Clovis.
Spreading fear and waffle.
Inciting people against Lawful authority.
I dont see how "Freedom of Speech" is an absolute good and if people are abusing it than in the interests of the greater good of society at large its sometimes necessary to take away their "Freedom of Speech".
The state has every right to suspend the Consitution as God has every right to suspend the laws of nature that He has given. God even has every right to carry out something like Baptism of Desire against His own revealed Law.
Watching the results of Obama and his ilk is the real fear here in America. His lies, his promises, his life actions none of this should go on and on without a voice against him.
I am grateful to live in America where here, we can still at least have a voice, speaking out against his policies.
A voice to try and educate the young people to think before they vote, and not to follow the crowd.
The U.S.A. government if full of corruption and it is good that there are some that are willing to point to it without the fear of having to be picked up and thrown into prison, at least not yet here in America. Maybe tomorrow the voices will be silenced that outcry for truth, justice and mercy.
Clovis what say you if Obama gets his way and controls the internet; will we be able to meet like this?
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suspension of the Constitution-on what grounds? what limits? what actions? any?
you set up a dangerous precedent....what are your feeling on subsidiarity?
Myrna calling for Clovis, yikes......
The FBI, etc did play strictly by the Consituition when they put down and neutralized the threat to social order coming from the Left in it the 1960s...I dont see people on this forum complaining about that.
To your other point about the legitmacy of rebellion under certain circuмstances Catholicism unlike either Protestantism or Eastern Orthodoxy does allow for it. St Thomas Aquinas deals with this somewhere...But it remains a last and terrible resort. To have a stable state that garuntee at least a minium of order is a great blessing for fallen man and a blessing that God does not always give.
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It's funny. I totally agree with Clovis, and I totally disagree with him as well. I think the government does have the authority to do the things he says the government should do and I think would be totally legitimate if the government was run by decent people, but I think it is insane to want those things done by our maniacal Godless government.
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Matto what percentage of the USA population are traditionalist Roman Catholics?
What was the attitude of the Early Church towards the morally depraved late Roman Empire that they found themselves in?
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Are you surprised to learn that Clovis is a socialist (at least when it comes to health care)? I thought pretty much everyone in Europe was a socialist.
If I considered our government to be good and legitimate I would be all in favor of them imprisoning subversives and suppressing large public anti-government protests. As for our current American government, I am glad that they don't do those things very often.
No Im not a socialist. However I think in our modern society a National Health Service is a duty of goverment. The Eastern Roman Empire had generous public welfare programmes..Was it socialist? Was Bismark a socialist?
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Clovis, Traditionalist Catholics are far less than one percent in America.
I think that the early Christians obeyed the government when it gave commands, unless they were told to sin. And when the persecutions started they fled. But I am not sure. My position is this . . . obey the government when the orders are not sinful, and disobey when the orders are sinful. I do not like our government because it does not recognize God and God's laws, but I am not a revolutionary because I think a revolution with the people we have in America would be even worse than Obama. I am glad you are not a socialist, Clovis, in issues other than health care. Do you support an extensive public school system? If you do that would make you a socialist when it comes to education as well.
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Though I am opposed to many forms of socialism, I do not consider socialism to be a dirty word or an insult.
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Job 1:20-22
Footnotes under Chapter two heading:
satan,[/b] by God's permission, striketh Job with ulcers from head to foot. His patience is still invincible.
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Though I am opposed to many forms of socialism, I do not consider socialism to be a dirty word or an insult.
Was Bismark a Socialist?
Generally he would be considered a Conservative though he instituted much of what North Americans consider to be Socialism.
I do not believe that individual liberty an absolute dignity that comes before the greater social good. I believe that society has duties towards each of its members and its members have duties towards society as a whole. If that makes me a socialist so be it.
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Obongo should not be arresting anyone. He is all the hopes and dreams of all the global communists. He's not even a US citizen. I thought the Church was opposed to Bismarck!
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I am not an expert on Bismark, Clovis. Though from what I know about him, I am not a big fan of unification, and think that public education is the worst kind of socialism because it basically means that your mind is owned by the state and you must think whatever the state wants you to think. State ownership of the mind is far more socialist than state ownership of the factories or the land.
I do agree with this completely and do not think this makes you a socialist at all, as long as it is understood that society never has the right to sin for the benefit of the greater good:
I do not believe that individual liberty an absolute dignity that comes before the greater social good. I believe that society has duties towards each of its members and its members have duties towards society as a whole. If that makes me a socialist so be it.
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I think the authority to govern the mind and education belongs to the Church and not the state.
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I think in our modern society a National Health Service is a duty of goverment.
Right...
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One more thing, Clovis. I am not the smartest person and am confused about these things myself, but I would add to your statement:
"I do not believe that individual liberty an absolute dignity that comes before the greater social good. I believe that society has duties towards each of its members and its members have duties towards society as a whole. If that makes me a socialist so be it."
There is something that you left out of this which is the most important thing. Society and all men have duties towards GOD and these duties are more important than anything else. Even if society is perfect in upholding the duties it has towards each other, but neglects its duties towards God, then it is a worthless society.
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I think the authority to govern the mind and education belongs to the Church and not the state.
In Ireland until recently both co-operated together in terms of both healthcare and education (and still sort of do in theory).
To present it as a case of either/or is wrong.
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When I use the word authority, it means the power to give a legitimate order that must be obeyed under pain of sin. Only the Church has authority over what people believe. If the state and Church cooperate in matters of education, it is the Church granting its authority to the state, not the other way around. I think the state has no authority over education. If it wants to open a school, it can do so, though I oppose widespread public education, but when it orders someone to go to its school, this is an illegitimate order that need not be obeyed.
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I think in our modern society a National Health Service is a duty of goverment.
Right...
Clovis, maybe in remote instances, but where does that "duty" stop and start???
I am talkinmg to a lady right now on phone, she is about to lose her home-so, should the Govt then have the "duty" to give her a house?
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FWIW, the duty to educate the children belongs to the parents. They are the principal educators, even if they end up choosing to make use of a school.
"Procreation and education of children..."
While there is no dispute that modern so-called "Free Speech" is liberal nonsense, it is the law of the land. To arrest AJ, or others like him, would be to place the USA on a very slippery slope to a very bad, dangerous place.
Should those who deny the "facts" of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity also be arrested? Much of the world seems to think so, as many are in prison right now for just that.
The (nanny) state does NOT owe me even the most rudimentary health care. That is completely absurd and modern circuмstances do nothing to change the situation.
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I am talkinmg to a lady right now on phone, she is about to lose her home-so, should the Govt then have the "duty" to give her a house?
Shelter certainly ranks above health care where the basics are concerned. Why not? Why not food, too? Clothing? Transportation? Surely the exigencies of modern life make such things necessary, so why not demand them all from the uber-nanny state-god?
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I am talkinmg to a lady right now on phone, she is about to lose her home-so, should the Govt then have the "duty" to give her a house?
Shelter certainly ranks above health care where the basics are concerned. Why not? Why not food, too? Clothing? Transportation? Surely the exigencies of modern life make such things necessary, so why not demand them all from the uber-nanny state-god?
good points-what Michael Peroutka stated sometime back well "that is the great lie of socialism, where does it start and more importantly, where does it ever end"
subsidiarity should be discussed and studied far more....me too, btw
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Though I am opposed to many forms of socialism, I do not consider socialism to be a dirty word or an insult.
socialism is much misunderstood and certainly, in terminology...though condemned by the Church, more for its approaches to solutions then for the problems recognized...
a few articles to consider:
http://distributist.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-is-socialism.html
http://distributist.blogspot.com/2008/02/liberalism-and-socialism-by-msgr.html
http://distributist.blogspot.com/2007/01/distributism-vs-socialism.html
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Spreading fear and waffle.
The state is the number one purveyor of fear, Clovis. There is NO disputing this, now or throughout history. Besides, that an individual "spreads fear" -- something that is vague and disputable -- is not against the law and certainly NOT worthy of incarceration. As for waffle/s, are we talking Belgian, and is he stuffing them in the mouths of children making them obese? IOW, what does "waffle" even mean in this case? I am less than clear on your use and meaning.
Inciting people against Lawful authority.
Can you point to ONE instance where he has "incited" anyone to do anything contrary to the law? IMO, this "charge" is total bull, mate. Calling a spade a spade is not "inciting", no matter how you present it. More substance, please...
I dont see how "Freedom of Speech" is an absolute good and if people are abusing it than in the interests of the greater good of society at large its sometimes necessary to take away their "Freedom of Speech".
No one here is arguing that it is.
The state has every right to suspend the Consitution as God has every right to suspend the laws of nature that He has given.
Again, no one is arguing that the state does NOT have such power. However, if they did so, the grounds would have to be rock-solid, just, and reasonable.
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I think the authority to govern the mind and education belongs to the Church and not the state.
In Ireland until recently both co-operated together in terms of both healthcare and education (and still sort of do in theory).
To present it as a case of either/or is wrong.
maybe good, maybe not---but Ireland is far more hmogenous and smaller, things may work better or worse there then in , say, USA or Russia....no one size fits all...
have old family friends that, when their daughter lived in Irealnd yrs ago, had children, she had horror stories of the hospital and experience.....
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I am talkinmg to a lady right now on phone, she is about to lose her home-so, should the Govt then have the "duty" to give her a house?
Shelter certainly ranks above health care where the basics are concerned. Why not? Why not food, too? Clothing? Transportation? Surely the exigencies of modern life make such things necessary, so why not demand them all from the uber-nanny state-god?
to answer my own question you quote (sorry mis-spellings of mine and all)-the answer would be a resounding NO...the family, Church, private groups should be the ones to provide, with of course what we do not have right now, real money....
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Trinity,
FWIW, your comment and the quote provided (which is excellent) appear to be confounding various principles and circuмstances, almost as if it is all the same ball of wax. Such is not the case.
Jesus' own actions, as those of his followers, differed according to the situation. Sometimes submission is the path, sometimes resistance is needed. Jesus Himself performed miracles in order to escape from the very same men to whom He later submitted. Why? It was not His time to submit. When it was, He did.
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Why should you give a care what I say, Eamon? I'm nuts, remember? And so, it would seem, was Kathy. How many others?
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have old family friends that, when their daughter lived in Irealnd yrs ago, had children, she had horror stories of the hospital and experience.....
Yes it was a poor country.
The fact is though that the wealth of the USA its infant mortality rate is scandalous.
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Clovis believes BO should arrest Alex Jones et alii.
For what? On what grounds? According to what known laws?
Now, I am no fan of AJ, as I think he is a bit of a tool bag and stays away from speaking the truth about Israel and the Zio-nαzιs. However, the idea that arresting him for being "subversive" strikes me as being grossly misinformed about AJ, what it is to be "subversive", the laws of the USA, etc.
Make your case, Clovis.
Spreading fear and waffle.
Inciting people against Lawful authority.
I dont see how "Freedom of Speech" is an absolute good and if people are abusing it than in the interests of the greater good of society at large its sometimes necessary to take away their "Freedom of Speech".
The state has every right to suspend the Consitution as God has every right to suspend the laws of nature that He has given. God even has every right to carry out something like Baptism of Desire against His own revealed Law.
It appears as though you think the State is equal to God in authority. And you miss an important distinction with regard to the Constitution. The State has no right to revoke any laws of it's own constitution without due process of law. The reckless, despotic philosophy you espouse is far more subversive to the common good than anything Alex Jones would say.
There are other disturbing and profoundly confused ideas in your posts, explicitly or implicitly stated, but I lack the time to respond sufficiently. Maybe Jamie or Caraffa can address them.
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Why should you give a care what I say, Eamon? I'm nuts, remember?
Actually, I never said you were, but don't let the facts get in the way, dear ;)
And so, it would seem, was Kathy.
Good to see you still feel both the need and the justification to mention things and people that I have never mentioned publicly. To the shock of all with any semblance of decency and basic manners, you plowed ahead and did so before. Then, you made a half-hearted effort to do what was right by asking Matthew to delete the one post (which does not actually undo what you did, especially as it was accompanied by no kind of substantial retraction, apology, etc. -- not that I expect to see such any time soon...). Frankly, it is pretty embarrassing to see you stoop to such a level, especially as you are so poorly informed about so very much in connection to the situation, past and present.
How many others?
Looking at the state of the world, probably many -- but that is not my concern.
Frankly, the way you have handled this entire series of events is sad to see.
FWIW, the next time you make a string of quotations, please make sure you include the entire quote (such as the parts where I tell you I am joking, etc), and please do your best to make sure that the quotations were actually written by me (and not SJB, for example). I know it is hard, especially when you are emoting excessively, but I know you can do it.
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It doesn't bother me in the least, Eamon. Those words are for you and other people don't have a clue what they are about. The best they could do is guess, just as they might have guessed at the sub rosa messages you've given me. And don't give me "you should have pmed me" YOU should have pmed me. But since you want all to be transparent, be glad I am keeping it this hidden. If you will go back to my letter you will see I ascribed none of it to you or anyone else. Believe it or not, I don't wish to harm you; only to stop you. If we can agree on that, we can have done with this foolishness and get on to the healing.
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It doesn't bother me in the least, Eamon.
If it did not bother you, you would not have made the comment you made in this thread. No one with any sense would believe that the person who wrote such a reply is now completely at peace and detached about the whole matter. Your reply utterly avoided the substance of the post I addressed to you, which was only about what has been said within this thread. You then reply by dragging up other matters, never saying anything germane to the point of my post. Such is not the way of one who is not bothered in the least.
FWIW, recent events should still bother you. Why? Well...
Those words are for you and other people don't have a clue what they are about. The best they could do is guess..
That is actually the point, Mary. You have now mentioned someone twice that needn't have been mentioned at all, and all can see that it was done in a manner designed to touch upon something personal. There could be no other purpose. The first time in connection the the police, of all things -- tell me that does not open myriad doors for speculation -- the second in connection to my thinking her nuts (something that, even if true, has no place here).
The fact that you have been "vague" saves nothing, and is actually more problematic, as it leaves the door open for people to imagine any number of things. Go re-read your comment from the other thread and tell me it is not a problem. You can still find some parts of your original comment quoted within my responses. Frankly, it was shocking to see you stoop so low, despite the fact that I already had a solid, working theory as to why (one you proved with gusto, btw). If the comment was NOT a problem, why did you ask Matthew to delete the content of the first post? Such behavior is passing strange, unless you came to see that the OP was out of line -- something you never actually said or addressed, although your actions told the story.
YOU should have pmed me.
I thought none of it bothered you? :wink: Actually, when I tried I was unable to do so. I am not sure how the program responded, but it basically told me you did not accept PMs.
But since you want all to be transparent, be glad I am keeping it this hidden.
What? There is nothing to tell. You know little to nothing, it is crystal clear at this point anything you say on the matter is heavily influenced by your emotions, etc., and none of it belongs in the public eye anyway (and you probably learned more than half of what you "know" through conversations with a third party -- i.e., not from me). The comments of mine which you did not like pertained entirely to your own comments made here at cathinfo, and they did not get personal (despite your claim that I "stalked" and "attacked" you).
Believe it or not, I don't wish to harm you; only to stop you.
I actually do not care what your goal is, as the manner in which you have pursued it is contrary to what is acceptable, even as you were ceaselessly crying out about kindness, mercy, manners, being ladies and gentlemen, etc.
If we can agree on that, we can have done with this foolishness and get on to the healing.
We are agreed that you believe what you have stated is your goal is, in fact, your goal. For the rest, I have no wounds from this affair that need to be healed. I have rather thick skin at this stage in my life and it matters not to me what people think of me. You may rest assured I am not worried about what one lady in NE does or says or thinks, no matter how far and wide she spreads this or that. My entire hope here is to help you grasp that this entire episode cannot simply be set aside as if it never happened if you are find the peace of heart you desire.
I have nothing more to say to you -- not in this world, anyway. Goodbye, Mary. Godspeed to you and yours.
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Just want to clear one thing up. I asked Matthew to delete that for Dawn's sake, since she was so upset about it. I hope it all works out well for you. Bye.
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Alex should be made to apologise for accusing Marie Antoinette of saying 'let em eat cake'. Email him at showtips@infowars.com
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Why don't you just email him, roscoe, and tell him 1M of your closest friends agree with your sentiments? While you are at it, I think you should email the thousands upon thousands of people who have publicly repeated the same story in recent decades. There is no doubt this is truly a worthwhile cause and your crusade will be time well spent.
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It doesn't bother me in the least, Eamon. Those words are for you and other people don't have a clue what they are about. The best they could do is guess, just as they might have guessed at the sub rosa messages you've given me. And don't give me "you should have pmed me" YOU should have pmed me. But since you want all to be transparent, be glad I am keeping it this hidden. If you will go back to my letter you will see I ascribed none of it to you or anyone else. Believe it or not, I don't wish to harm you; only to stop you. If we can agree on that, we can have done with this foolishness and get on to the healing.
Since most on this forum have no clear idea what you're talking about or even care, why air dirty laundry in public? This is clearly a private matter.
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Believe it or not, I don't wish to harm you; only to stop you.
:shocked:
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Alex Jones types should be allowed their freedom of
Speech protected by the First Amendment of the US
Constitution. Only those that advocate violence, and
physical harm to society should by arrested.
Compared to those that watch the 6 o'clock news, and
read the daily newspapers, and believe everything they
are told. Alex Jones does not have much a following.
Majority of Americans are mind controlled by the mass
media.
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Acc to Alex this is not true anymore-- the Alt media is now bigger than MSM.
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Acc to Alex this is not true anymore-- the Alt media is now bigger than MSM.
TRUE, I just want someone to say that.
I quoted in what any Liberal, and Neo -Con would say.
I am surrounded by these guys.
The point I am making is that the Alex Jones types are
protected in their free speech.
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Believe it or not, I don't wish to harm you; only to stop you.
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she going to stop you???? and she calls me poisonous???
I think, ladies/gentleman, we see who the really vindictive and angry person is...we see who has the cult mentality, no?
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have old family friends that, when their daughter lived in Irealnd yrs ago, had children, she had horror stories of the hospital and experience.....
Yes it was a poor country.
The fact is though that the wealth of the USA its infant mortality rate is scandalous.
understatndable, recall America is a proestant/cult country, hence, Ireland was blessed for keeping the faith and perservering in the past, USA was not....now, Ireland is going down the same primrose path....
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It doesn't bother me in the least, Eamon. Those words are for you and other people don't have a clue what they are about. The best they could do is guess, just as they might have guessed at the sub rosa messages you've given me. And don't give me "you should have pmed me" YOU should have pmed me. But since you want all to be transparent, be glad I am keeping it this hidden. If you will go back to my letter you will see I ascribed none of it to you or anyone else. Believe it or not, I don't wish to harm you; only to stop you. If we can agree on that, we can have done with this foolishness and get on to the healing.
Since most on this forum have no clear idea what you're talking about or even care, why air dirty laundry in public? This is clearly a private matter.
why air it out? because the woan plays all "little miss innocent and pious" but is really rather nasty and vindicitive...yet, give her time, she will accuse you of what she does, says and thinks-it is I think the term is, transferance.....
we all are sympathetic with her rather difficult past, but not behaviors.....when one is abused, of note, one might actually become either possesed or more likely, oppressed...so, there is a good chance that she has more deep seated issues that lets pray, do not come out more....
Example-she was nailed, by me and others-on her americanism, yet she attacks and derides us for calling for a Catholic Social order and a resultant state,etc....now, becaus I note this and other issues-like on a pro-SSPX site it is not cool to attack SSPX, ABL and have obsessive conversations on SVism, I am now "poisonous", yet her attitude and behavior is far more...even other SV are turned off by her and her ways.....one feels she is perhaps unbalanced or even evil...
take note, though, that you attack Trinity, you wil lbe Myrna, Mer and likel, overa few hrs, several ignores....not by chance, they are a rather nasty little gang of cultics and coordinate, hiding behind their ooooooooohh so piousness, a rather angry bitterness.
Not to say all Sv are this way, no, not in the least.....you will find good converstaion, debate, etc from some ehre that are decent and honorable...gladius, Dawn, Alexandria and many others....
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FWIW, there has been no satisfactory presentation of solid reasons why AJ (et alii) should be incarcerated. I confess that I was initially stunned to see someone on this board espouse such a position, but each day has its own surprises and the world is full of wild ideas that we often absorb without even realizing it. Fair enough...
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Spreading fear and waffle.
He is able to do so, and he's rather well known because there is a public thirsty for this type of message, and he is not violating any laws.
That being said, he and many other in some cases cross the line and face the possibility of being sued for damage to peoples reputation and in many of these cases, I'd watch in delight.
So many people think that freedom of speech means you can say anything you like about anything and anyone in total impunity without risking to be sued for damages to reputations.
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Only someonse who is mentally deficient and doesn't understand the legal concepts of libel and slander where the plaintiff can sue for and win damages for any proven falshood uttered against him or her would believe what you wrote about free speech.
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Spreading fear and waffle.
He is able to do so, and he's rather well known because there is a public thirsty for this type of message, and he is not violating any laws.
That being said, he and many other in some cases cross the line and face the possibility of being sued for damage to peoples reputation and in many of these cases, I'd watch in delight.
So many people think that freedom of speech means you can say anything you like about anything and anyone in total impunity without risking to be sued for damages to reputations.
Not sure why you would "watch in delight", but, as one that has been proved to largely buy into whatever the mainstream media dishes out, guess AJ and others like him-for whatever faults and mistakes-really stands as a problem for you...
do you watch in delight as mainstream media gets sued, called to the carpet,etc? They ceased to do real, honest reporting and fact finding along ago....