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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2018, 04:32:00 PM »
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  • Whoa, you gonna pull that one on me? I saw what was coming a long time ago, back in the 70's. I knew I didn't want to have to deal with a modern woman or fight my way to the top of some corporate ladder. So I didn't marry or have children.
    If you did, don't come crying to me. You made your bed, now lie in it.

    Nobody's crying, buddy.  You have a disturbingly secular perspective on marriage.  There's such a thing as having a vocation to be married and to raise children.

    Point of my question is that none of the things you posted could be said by a person who is married and has children.


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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #16 on: June 10, 2018, 04:38:59 PM »
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  • Hey, if you feel you were called to have a large family, then do whatever it takes to raise them. If you aren't willing or capable of doing that, then keep it in your pants.

    I am willing and able to do it, jackass.  I'm merely disagreeing with your perspective.  And for Catholics there's no right to "keep it in [our] pants" after we're married.  It's important to have a house in order to have a decent family environment, and depending on the health issues of the kids, some have to visit doctors more than others.  We do not go for "sniffles" either.  But that does not mean at any given time one or another child doesn't have a health issue, even a serious one.  We live very modestly.

    What we're talking about is the fact that the Judaeo-Masonic powers that be have engineered the economy in such a way as to militate against the large families that God calls many people to have, practically forcing many wives and mothers into the workforce, and their kids into day care, just so they can get by.  This thread is not talking about luxuries, but about food and rent.

    So you've missed the entire point with your childish cocky attitude.


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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #17 on: June 10, 2018, 04:51:33 PM »
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  • Distraction aside, one of the BIGGEST problems with the economy is the trend towards the ATOMIC family.  In the past, it was not uncommon for several generations of family to stay on the same ancestral land.  Men would go out and work together, while the women and older girls would tend the younger children and do domestic chores.

    I have four brothers and one sister.  We all live in different parts of this Metropolitan area.  Each of our family units has a house, two to three automobiles, lawn equipment, power equipment, tools of all kinds.  If we all lived near one another, we could get by sharing about three to four automobiles among all of us.  We could get by with one or two lawn mowers, one set of tools to work on cars, one set of other equipment, including power tools.  Look at all the REDUNDANT purchases we had to make because we're living apart from one another.  I have a lawn mower, and I use it about 10 hours per week ... and it sits there idle for the remaining 158 hours.  I don't often use my drill or my chainsaw or my line trimmer or most of my tools.  What if all these things were consolidated?  Also, meals could be prepared in larger portions, using ingredients purchased in bulk.  Each family unit could have a smaller house, and then there could be a larger common area that everyone could share and help in maintaining.  If someone has a big problem, everyone can get together to help out.

    I've proposed getting together with my brothers and my sister in such an arrangement, purchasing some adjacent plots of land and building it out like this ... but they're JUST NOT INTERESTED.  It's a crying shame.  When we've had family gatherings, the cousins played together endlessly ... and in a wholesome way, since they're all Traditional Catholics.  I point this out to them that life could be so much better, but I get apathetic responses.  It's because everyone has been conditioned and brainwashed by the social engineers to think that you only prove yourself if you can do it independently of everyone else.

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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #18 on: June 10, 2018, 05:21:47 PM »
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  • I saw what was coming a long time ago, back in the 70's. I knew I didn't want to have to deal with a modern woman or fight my way to the top of some corporate ladder. So I didn't marry or have children.

    I'm seeing another pattern here -- I've met others like you. They give up something, but in their minds they turn that thing into a gross caricature of its original self.

    I've worked for a living since I was 16, but I've never worked a single day at a huge corporation or a company that even HAS a corporate ladder. I've always lived in mid-size cities, and even today I live in the country but commute into San Antonio for work. 

    And ditto for the situation with modern women. There are plenty of Traditional women out there; you just have to be eligible to support one of them (read: gainfully employed, with some means or plan to earn money). Not everyone finds/found it impossible to find eligible Trad women who aren't complete modernists.

    I know a Trad woman who is like this. Her concepts of so many things "in the world" are distorted to the point of laughable parodies of the original. She worked several months at TAN Books, at a time when the company had LOTS of "fat" in terms of personnel. The female employees (many of whom were non-Catholic) in the office were often idle, and therefore talked about sex and other things. But at most real jobs out there, you don't have 3 employees for every 1 employee you need. Most employees are kept busy, so they don't have TIME to chit-chat about dirty or worldly things.

    But to this day, the Trad woman in question doesn't work for a living. Apparently she was scarred for life or something. She considers herself emotionally disabled, even though she's not drawing any government disability. She lives with her mother, who is widowed, on Social Security, and very poor. Heaven help her when her mother passes away!
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #19 on: June 10, 2018, 05:54:54 PM »
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  • I've worked for a living since I was 16, but I've never worked a single day at a huge corporation or a company that even HAS a corporate ladder.

    Unfortunately, I have ... and it's very unpleasant and soul-sucking.


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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #20 on: June 10, 2018, 06:06:49 PM »
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  • Hey, if you feel you were called to have a large family, then do whatever it takes to raise them. If you aren't willing or capable of doing that, then keep it in your pants.

    That's not only vulgar, but a worldly attitude as well.

    You're implying that men who marry and have children just can't "keep it in their pants"? What about the long period before they are married, or during the engagement period for example -- or even the many times when sex is impossible? Married men using the sɛҳuąƖ faculty are not "failing to keep it in their pants", they are using a faculty that is good, created by God, within the bounds that God established.

    It is the devil who takes something good and created by God, and distorts it into something evil.

    Fornication and adultery should not be placed in the same boat as carnal love within a sacramental marriage. When you do this, you are in some VERY bad company: that is how the devil and worldly people think -- it's how they drag down that which is good.

    Fornication and adultery are precisely when a man fails to be continent, or "can't keep it in his pants" as the vulgar expression goes. The same is not true when a married man makes use of sex exactly as God intended. Such a married man is actually practicing a virtue, not even committing a venial sin or imperfection.

    Long story short, "keep it in your pants" is a vulgar way of saying "be continent". But the married are not called to perfect continence or perfect chastity -- only chastity within the bounds of marriage (which is still something quite substantial -- chastity for the married is NOT something like dehydrated water). The married must build up the virtue of chastity as much as anyone else -- after all, when you're married, there are still 2.5 billion women who aren't your wife, who you must be completely aloof from. No emotional attachment, no hugging, no hand holding, no close friendships with the opposite sex. Men and women are designed to make babies together. You can't "just be friends" with the opposite sex. That's a modern fantasy and a modern error.

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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #21 on: June 10, 2018, 07:06:58 PM »
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  • You two sound like a couple of whining liberals to me "Oh, the Joos and Masons took over the government and raised all the prices and it's so unfair!"

    Besides, there are lots of saints that were married and after having children decided to practice abstinence and not have any more. If the profession you freely chose or your skill level at that profession doesn't allow you to afford to raise your family to your standards, then you shouldn't have any more kids, or at least abstain until the older ones are grown and on their own.  God doesn't guarantee that He will raise your kids for you, that's the attitude of the Third World and the ghetto. 

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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #22 on: June 10, 2018, 08:06:45 PM »
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  • You two sound like a couple of whining liberals to me "Oh, the Joos and Masons took over the government and raised all the prices and it's so unfair!"

    And you sound like an idiot neo-con with your head in the sand.  It's obvious that the Jєωs and Masons have been engaged in massive social engineering.  It's obvious that they're deliberately trying to destroy the Traditional family.

    And I wish Matthew would strip you of your username.  I have a devotion to St. Jude and am revolted at seeing a secular-minded neocon like yourself using his name and image.


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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #23 on: June 10, 2018, 08:12:17 PM »
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  • If the profession you freely chose or your skill level at that profession doesn't allow you to afford to raise your family to your standards, then you shouldn't have any more kids ...

    You sound more like a liberal Novus Ordite than a Traditional Catholic.  Now, the actual CATHOLIC version of what you said is, "You accept however many children God sends you ... even if it means lowering your expectations regarding your standard of living."  You sound like the Novus Ordo clowns who limit themselves to 2 children so that each of them can receive a Harvard education.

    My guess would be that any solidly-Traditional ladies out there rejected the likes of you ... rather than the other way around, and that, in a spirit of sour grapes, you try to turn the tables and denounce them instead.

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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #24 on: June 10, 2018, 08:15:42 PM »
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  • Distraction aside, one of the BIGGEST problems with the economy is the trend towards the ATOMIC family.  In the past, it was not uncommon for several generations of family to stay on the same ancestral land.  Men would go out and work together, while the women and older girls would tend the younger children and do domestic chores.

    I have four brothers and one sister.  We all live in different parts of this Metropolitan area.  Each of our family units has a house, two to three automobiles, lawn equipment, power equipment, tools of all kinds.  If we all lived near one another, we could get by sharing about three to four automobiles among all of us.  We could get by with one or two lawn mowers, one set of tools to work on cars, one set of other equipment, including power tools.  Look at all the REDUNDANT purchases we had to make because we're living apart from one another.  I have a lawn mower, and I use it about 10 hours per week ... and it sits there idle for the remaining 158 hours.  I don't often use my drill or my chainsaw or my line trimmer or most of my tools.  What if all these things were consolidated?  Also, meals could be prepared in larger portions, using ingredients purchased in bulk.  Each family unit could have a smaller house, and then there could be a larger common area that everyone could share and help in maintaining.  If someone has a big problem, everyone can get together to help out.

    I've proposed getting together with my brothers and my sister in such an arrangement, purchasing some adjacent plots of land and building it out like this ... but they're JUST NOT INTERESTED.  It's a crying shame.  When we've had family gatherings, the cousins played together endlessly ... and in a wholesome way, since they're all Traditional Catholics.  I point this out to them that life could be so much better, but I get apathetic responses.  It's because everyone has been conditioned and brainwashed by the social engineers to think that you only prove yourself if you can do it independently of everyone else.
    I don't see how that would work if it's not already part of your culture. Finances are a BIG DEAL for most families -- the point of this thread -- and I can't imagine not having many, many disagreements about who pays for what. Unless you're like the Amish with no personal money, it would get complicated really fast.
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    I understand there are many other benefits to living with or near family and that, theoretically, it would make sense not to purchase 3 or 4 of something when you only really need 1. But, human nature being what it is, I don't think it would play out well.
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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #25 on: June 10, 2018, 08:19:43 PM »
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  • And you sound like an idiot neo-con with your head in the sand.  It's obvious that the Jєωs and Masons have been engaged in massive social engineering.  It's obvious that they're deliberately trying to destroy the Traditional family.

    And I wish Matthew would strip you of your username.  I have a devotion to St. Jude and am revolted at seeing a secular-minded neocon like yourself using his name and image.
    Awww, your bully-boy act didn't work so you're going to go crying to the moderator?
    Why don't you just man up and quit blaming everyone else for your problems?
    And stop calling people names that you don't even understand. That's your standard modus operandi isn't it?
    Always pontificating on here like you were some great internet sage when the reality is you're just a loud-mouthed little __ repeating the same discredited arguments over and over until your opponents realize they have better things to do than argue with a mental midget like you.
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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #26 on: June 11, 2018, 12:33:50 AM »
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  • Upon further reflection I would like to apologize to Ladislaus and the other members of Cathinfo for using bad and insulting language on the previous post and ask Matthew to censor any and all vulgar words I or others have used on this thread which may offend and scandalize the readers. 
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    « Reply #27 on: June 11, 2018, 12:40:25 AM »
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  • Upon further reflection I would like to apologize to Ladislaus and the other members of Cathinfo for using bad and insulting language on the previous post and ask Matthew to censor any and all vulgar words I or others have used on this thread which may offend and scandalize the readers.
    Happy to oblige. I took out a word, but unless you'd like me to delete the whole thing, further requests would need to be more specific.
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    Re: 43% of US Households 'Can't Afford Basics Like Rent and Food'
    « Reply #28 on: June 11, 2018, 07:28:50 AM »
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  • On a side note: FNMA just raised the debt to income ratio to 50% of gross monthly income (from 45%).
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    « Reply #29 on: June 11, 2018, 01:04:09 PM »
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  • I don't see how that would work if it's not already part of your culture. Finances are a BIG DEAL for most families -- the point of this thread -- and I can't imagine not having many, many disagreements about who pays for what. Unless you're like the Amish with no personal money, it would get complicated really fast.

    Oh, I don't know.  For shared property, such as a lawn mower, the cost of buying and maintaining would be split equally among the family groups.  Not everything would have to be shared, just the stuff that would be redundant to have multiple times.