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Winona STAS -- Young Earth or Old Earth
« on: Yesterday at 06:20:45 PM »
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  • What were the Winona years at STAS like in terms of any formal instruction or lack thereof concerning young earth vs. old earth, or was the topic largely ignored or met with a degree of indifferentism?

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    Re: Winona STAS -- Young Earth or Old Earth
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 06:36:46 PM »
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  • What were the Winona years at STAS like in terms of any formal instruction or lack thereof concerning young earth vs. old earth, or was the topic largely ignored or met with a degree of indifferentism?

    When I was there, the topic never came up.

    Of course, just like the SSPX before 2012, "the tree hadn't been shaken yet". In other words, there at the Seminary was Paul Robinson, who apparently believed in Evolution. But it never came up publicly, at least in my classes or spiritual conferences.

    The phrase "preaching to the choir" comes to mind. If the subject was ignored, it was because we were not just a bunch of Trads but supposedly the most serious/fervent of Trads, being as we were considering giving our lives to God in the Priesthood. It was presumed we weren't pro-abortion, pro-evolution, etc.

    If the topic came up at all, it was always 100% the Trad Catholic position on everything. But that was around the turn of the Millennium, under Bp Williamson.
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    Re: Winona STAS -- Young Earth or Old Earth
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 10:56:22 PM »
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  • So, when I was there the topic came up only very briefly in discussing the Holy Office under St. Pius X, where it was in fact permitted to hold that the term "day" before the creation of the sun, could in fact have referred to some epoch of time rather than a 24-hour period.  That would not do violence to the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, since that would just be a metaphorical use of language.  There's much of that in Hebrew, since the vocabulary is actually very limited, and so they will use figurative expression, and there of course could be an etymological relationship too, where the root of the word has something in it that suggests it could be applied to multiple concrete things, i.e. where the root is something more abstract, and could indeed refer to a 24-hour day, but then could also some other specific application of the root abstract notion.  So, for instance, one might use the expression that "my hour has come", without necessarily referring to the typical concrete application of the term to "60 minutes exactly".

    But that was it, an implication that one MIGHT hold to an old earth, without error against the faith ... though an explanation such as above may have been helpful to avoid the impression that these decisions were arbitrary.  Why is it OK to believe in a metaphorcal day, but not in a metaphorical "parting of the Red Sea" or a metaphorcal "great flood"?

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    Re: Winona STAS -- Young Earth or Old Earth
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 11:31:04 PM »
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  • Has anyone "listening" to this thread or even just these words of mine here run across any reputed science supposedly proving the Earth to be millions, if not billions, of years old that has not been thoroughly debunked by at least some good solid, albeit perhaps not mainstream, scientists?  

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    Re: Winona STAS -- Young Earth or Old Earth
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 11:56:25 PM »
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  • Has anyone "listening" to this thread or even just these words of mine here run across any reputed science supposedly proving the Earth to be millions, if not billions, of years old that has not been thoroughly debunked by at least some good solid, albeit perhaps not mainstream, scientists? 

    Well, they typically rely on things like carbon dating, which they claim to be reliable proof, and then they do some speculation based on their assumptions about how the universe came to be and how long it should have taken ... according to their assumed model and paradigm.  Kolbe Center does a great job of debunking carbon dating and other dating methods.  They also engage in circular dating, where they use various strata to date things in them, but then use the things in strata to date the strata.