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Author Topic: Winona STAS -- Geocentrism, Heliocentrism or Indifferentism; GE or FE  (Read 226420 times)

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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Winona STAS -- Geocentrism, Heliocentrism or Indifferentism; GE or FE
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2025, 10:09:49 PM »
That said, any idea why the subject never came up?  Any idea if there was any sort of unspoken (openly) consensus about these matters?

I juist don't think anyone really gave it much thought ... and I presume just took the modern heliocentric / barycentric / vortexing cosmological model for granted.  I certainly did, and I didn't start giving it much thought since the subject came up here some years ago.  Nor did I think I should care very much, as it was a secular matter, so I thought, and not really a religious question.  So this was before The Principle came out, based on some posting here on CathInfo ... almost certainly by cassini.  By the time The Principle came out, in my case he was preaching to the choir already.

As for FE, I never really heard about it much until a few years ago some "FlatEarthTrads" started posting here.  Matthew relegated them to a subforum, and that probably led to delays in my own personal awakening, but every once in a while I'd remember it was there and so poked around.  I recall thinking it was pretty dumb, but then caught myself thinking that (I introspect that way), and so I forced myself to be intellectually honest and give it a chance rather than dismiss it without examination. I think that's the problem with many people regarding many topics, where they have some ulterior motive for dismissing it, where you're pre-convinced that it's wrong or have some emotional animus against it, etc.  I refuse to do that, no matter how "crazy" someting might (at least initially) SOUND to me, since that perception could in fact be wrong, due to all the programming, and I have been "awakened" on SO MANY subjects over the years that I've come to the conclusion that if their lips are moving (or their fingers typing), they's almost certainly lying, to one degree or another.  So I said, "I'm going to honestly, and with an open mind, consider what they have to say."  Well ... took about 2 years, but they convinced me.

I saw an interview with Dr. Sungenis before his FE book, and he made the same comment, that when Kolbe asked him to write something to refute FE, he thought that it would just be so stupid that he could do it with a tiny pamphlet over a weekend.  He admitted that these guys made some solid points that are very complicated and extremely difficult to refute, and end up having to write 100s of page and (IMO of course) failed.  Yeah, it's not just some crackpot nonsense that can be dismissed with the wave of your hand, despite how much a lot of people wish they could and then pretend they're doing but just huffing and puffing and pretending it's all crazy while refusing to actually dig into the problem with an open mind.

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Re: Winona STAS -- Geocentrism, Heliocentrism or Indifferentism; GE or FE
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2025, 10:28:17 PM »
Say what you will about Eric Dubay (I sure will!) -- he is full of flaws and errors about religion for example -- but he has done some good work.

Yeah, to dismiss Dubay because of his aberrant religious views, which many do, is just an ad hominem distraction, a logical fallacy.  It's an easy way to discredit his message.  Just because I'm wrong about one area, that doesn't mean I'm not right about something else.  If it weren't simply a tactic employed to discredit his message, it might even smack of Jansenism, and in particular the condemned proposition of theirs that all outside the Church is sin, aka the binary of things are either all good or all evil, or that if it's bad in one respect (not being in the Church), then it's bad in all respects.