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Author Topic: Why Sungenis's Geocentrism model is wrong  (Read 26178 times)

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Re: Why Sungenis's Geocentrism model is wrong
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 12:39:51 PM »
I think 'move' here means change place; not change position.  The blood moves through your veins, but when you're standing in place we say that you haven't moved.  But blood moved through your veins, your organs might have shifted positions, maybe you even jumped up and down and turned around.  There is still a sense in which we could say that you haven't moved.
Um.  You are kidding right?  Changed place/position depends on what is moving.  Blood moving through veins actually changes place and the fixed organs are a separate thing entirely.  Why do people muddy the water?  Look at the sun. Look at the moon. Look at the earth.  Read scripture.  Wonder what's moving.  Come to conclusion.  Is it possible that earth moves as you've been told by anti-Catholic establishment? If so, skip philosophic non possibilities and explain why.  mw2016's posit here is excellent and demands people take another look at the ridiculous notion that the earth is round with the sun moving 25,000,000 mph in order to make an orbit around earth that is a distant 93,000,000 miles away.  Any reasonable person can see that is not possible and should then reconsider scripture's version of God's creation. 

Re: Why Sungenis's Geocentrism model is wrong
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2017, 01:04:55 PM »
This is big stuff.  Robert Sungenis is supposed to be Catholic.  Why is he positioning himself to save the pagan heliocentric version of creation? Sungenis' modern take on heliocentrism, that earth is a stationary ball, but sun moves around it in a huge orbit is ridiculous. The ball earth notion is at odds with scripture, gen 1:6-7 and many other passages. Sungenis has been challenged about his errors but won't repent. I was kicked off the Principle FB page for asking a flat earth question.  What are they afraid of?  If indeed people care to know and bother to think they'd see the sun which is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles away cannot be jetting at 25,000,000 MPH around the non-spinning ball earth.  C'mon guys.  25,000,000 miles per hour?  I don't know what Sungenis says about how his hanging mid air ball earth hangs there without a foundation, but if earth is fixed and hanging there, and isn't spinning, how does "gravity" work?  What is wrong with modern man? Catholics even!  People are so destabilized by the chaotic moving foundation they live on, in the heliocentric system they are indoctrinated with, they are no longer able to think.

Excellent mw2016 :applause:  


Re: Why Sungenis's Geocentrism model is wrong
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2017, 01:18:51 PM »
I think 'move' here means change place; not change position.  The blood moves through your veins, but when you're standing in place we say that you haven't moved.  But blood moved through your veins, your organs might have shifted positions, maybe you even jumped up and down and turned around.  There is still a sense in which we could say that you haven't moved.
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This is one of the dumber things I have ever read here.
The Bible is literal. It says the "earth does not move from its foundation."
The Bible also says "He who does not eat of My flesh and drink of My blood shall have no life in him."
These are hard teachings - BOTH of them.
The earth DOES NOT MOVE. You have to eat Him if you want to have everlasting life.
The end.

Re: Why Sungenis's Geocentrism model is wrong
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 01:52:23 PM »
Lots of things in the Bible are literal but don't mean what you think they mean.  The problem is not with the Bible.  The problem is with our reading of the Bible.  Holy Mother Church tells us how it is to be understood, how it is not to be understood, and where there is room for discussion.  If my statement is so "dumb", then please provide me with an intelligent response, containing infallible pronouncements, indicating the faithful are bound to believe it in the sense statedin the original post, and that they are prohibited from believing it in the sense proposed by Sungenis.

Re: Why Sungenis's Geocentrism model is wrong
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2017, 02:25:20 PM »
  If my statement is so "dumb", then please provide me with an intelligent response, containing infallible pronouncements, indicating the faithful are bound to believe it in the sense statedin the original post, and that they are prohibited from believing it in the sense proposed by Sungenis.
It is, de fide, that we are to firstly and always take the literal meaning of any Bible passage. This is also in the writings of ALL the doctors of the Church.
Therefore, when you read the passage the "earth does not move" you are to FIRSTLY interpret it in a LITERAL sense BEFORE any other.
The end.