Author Topic: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO? (Read 8988 times)

Dankward · « **Reply #75 on:** January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on January 02, 2022, 08:28:15 PM

You also quickly answered the question about the age of the earth -- with the correct Catholic answer I should note.
Meanwhile, Stanley N, Dankward (et alia) have NOT yet answered said question.

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.

Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

- old starlight, up to millions of lightyears away
- age of meteorites that collide with Earth
- old ice cores in Antarctica (800,000 years at least)
- age rocks and sediments using various dating methods, e.g. radiometric
- old fossils and cadavers dated using radiocarbon methods (only goes back ~50,000 years)
- old trees (tens of thousands of years old)
- etc.

Am I disagreeing with Holy Scripture? No. Even St. Augustine held the belief that the "days" of Genesis didn't refer to 24h periods.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #76 on:** January 03, 2022, 11:26:29 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.

Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

- old starlight, up to millions of lightyears away
- age of meteorites that collide with Earth
- old ice cores in Antarctica (800,000 years at least)
- age rocks and sediments using various dating methods, e.g. radiometric
- old fossils and cadavers dated using radiocarbon methods (only goes back ~50,000 years)
- old trees (tens of thousands of years old)
- etc.

Am I disagreeing with Holy Scripture? No. Even St. Augustine held the belief that the "days" of Genesis didn't refer to 24h periods.

Holy Office under Pope St. Pius X did say it was permissible to speculate that the "days" of creation weren't 24-hour periods ... but only because Sacred Scripture teaches that the sun and moon were made after the earth.

Do you believe that God made the earth first and then later the sun and the moon? There's no snaking out of that one.

And we are also bound to believe that human beings have been around only for about 6,000 +/- years, not hundreds of thousands or even millions, or even 10,000 for that matter.

As for the "evidence" you cite, that's a separate issue, but it's been thoroughly debunked. I urge that you watch the videos from the Kolbe Center regarding that matter. This here is a great series: https://foundationsrestored.com

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #77 on:** January 04, 2022, 06:53:07 PM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

Am I disagreeing with Holy Scripture? No. Even St. Augustine held the belief that the "days" of Genesis didn't refer to 24h periods.

You're right, he didn't. He posited that they were seven subsequent instances instead, far shorter than 24 hour periods.

The theistic evolutionists also attempt to point to St. Augustine as if he were proposing a way to get around the fact that God created the earth swiftly and try to stretch the "days" to mean literally whatever they want.

Marion · « **Reply #78 on:** February 23, 2022, 09:50:45 PM »

Quote from: curious2 on January 02, 2022, 09:35:37 PM

I admit I was convinced of the truth of flat earth by Eric Dubay, but so what?

So here we have one more 'Croix'.

Other flat earthers, like Ladislaus, chuck up if I mention Dubay. They prefer Lady Elizabeth Anne Mould Blount.

Dankward · « **Reply #79 on:** February 24, 2022, 07:30:15 PM »

Oh, this thread.

Well, let's have some LEO space travel, shall we?

Here is a video. Is it CGI? Perhaps. Looks very realistic either way.

Here it was claimed that the SpaceX dragon capsule was docked to the station, photo from space, on the right:

How can we confirm that? We check from the ground.

Also extremely interesting (sped up footage because docking takes long):

Here is a gallery of good footage: https://spacestationguys.com/gallery-my-best-shots/

Donachie · « **Reply #80 on:** February 25, 2022, 12:12:55 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.

Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

- old starlight, up to millions of lightyears away

- age of meteorites that collide with Earth
- old ice cores in Antarctica (800,000 years at least)
- age rocks and sediments using various dating methods, e.g. radiometric
- old fossils and cadavers dated using radiocarbon methods (only goes back ~50,000 years)
- old trees (tens of thousands of years old)
- etc.

Am I disagreeing with Holy Scripture? No. Even St. Augustine held the belief that the "days" of Genesis didn't refer to 24h periods.

I think the lightyears concept is false. When any one sees starlight it is current to that time, not from lightyears or lightyears away. It may be far but it is a simple measure of distance away at a time, also as that part of the 24 hour cycle, and the stars all rotate around the Earth in 24 hours. When Sirius is up in the sky and going around, it is right then at that time that the light transmission is and is seen. The lightyears idea is illogical and heliocentric. The way time works, the past has been dismissed and is being dismissed even from moment to moment. Time is current to now and so is the light.

As to space, rockets have only so much capacity and the capacity of the Saturn V was hugely exaggerated. Communist China and ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA can't reach the moon with any rocket. In the City of God, St. Augustine wrote about deceiving spirits and the power of deceiving spirits, etc., and JPL and NASA are both Satanically influenced, i.e., they are communicating deceptions and are in the service of deceiving spirits.

cassini · « **Reply #81 on:** February 25, 2022, 07:32:34 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.

Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

Am I disagreeing with Holy Scripture? No. Even St. Augustine held the belief that the "days" of Genesis didn't refer to 24h periods.

‘All that exists outside God was, in its whole substance, produced out of nothing by God. (De fide.) (Vatican Council I, 1870)

Most of the Church Fathers held this was done in a literal six-day Creation until Saint Augustine proposed that all was created complete immediately but presented in Genesis by way of six-days to emphasise order in His creation. St Augustine had a problem with light. He believed light was caused by the sun whereas Genesis said God created light before the sun. Augustine solved this problem of his by saying that God must have created the sun and light and everything else together not over six days.

‘So then, although it is without any stretch of time being involved that God makes things, having ‘the power to act available to him whenever he will,’ (Wisdom of Solomon 12:18) all the same the time-bound natures made by him go through their temporal movements in time.’ --- Augustine, commentaries on Genesis.

St Basil, in his Hexaemeron, disagreed and explains why God created light before the sun:

‘However, the sun and the moon did not yet exist, in order that those who live in ignorance of God may not consider the sun as the origin and father of light, or as the maker of all that grows out of the earth. That is why there was a fourth day, and then God said: “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven.”’ (Hm. VI:2)

St Augustine was not aware that light is but an effect of electromagnetism. He must never have seen lightening duiring the darkness of night. If St Augustine were to come back and go see a football match under lights at night, he wouldn't believe it.

‘Day 1: In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. And God said: Be light made. And light was made. And God saw the light that it was good; and he divided the light from the darkness. And he called the light Day and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.

So God did create light before the sun. Anyway, Augustine's iimmediate creation, nor the six-day creation, did not allow any time for al old universe.

cassini · « **Reply #82 on:** February 25, 2022, 07:58:55 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.

Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

- old starlight, up to millions of lightyears away

Day 4: And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day; and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars. And he set them in the firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth, to rule the day and the night and to divide the light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And the evening and morning were the fourth day. God also said: Let the waters bring forth the creeping creature having life, and the fowl that may fly over the earth under the firmament of heaven.

Day 6: And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.

We see then, if we believe Genesis was the word of God, that the Creator made the stars IMMEDIATELY visible on Earth. There is no time delay then between the nearest star or the furthest star. In other words the whole universe was created in the one time unit. A day is a universal day, with the stars, near and far, all turning with the sun to bring days and seasons. The only time delay now is the time it takes for the light of exploding stars to reach Earth. Such times are within the 6-7,000 years since creation.

Katarina Emmerick wrote: 'I saw these false computations of the pagan priests at the same time as I beheld Jesus Christ teaching on the Sabbath at Aruma. Jesus, speaking before the Pharisees of the Call of Abraham and his sojourn in Egypt, exposed the errors of the Egyptian calendar. He said the world had now existed 4028 years. When I heard Jesus say this, He was thirty-one years old.’

Katarina’s age for Jesus Christ is the exactly the same as found in the Scriptures: Adam 5 days, Noah and the flood 1056 years (2941BC), Abraham 1950 after Creation (AC), Exodus 2540AC, birth of Jesus 3997AC, death of Jesus 4030AC at 33 years, fall of Jerusalem 4070AC, world on 2000AC was 5997 years old, 2021 years after Christ was the year 6,017AC and so on.

cassini · « **Reply #83 on:** February 25, 2022, 11:00:18 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.

Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

- age rocks and sediments using various dating methods

Uniformitarianism (Global Earth Formation over Long Ages)

‘Uniformitarianism is the assumption that the same natural laws and processes that operate in the universe now have always operated in the universe in the past and apply everywhere in the universe.' (Wikipedia)

Remember now, long-ages are an assumption. Assumptions made up to discredit God as Creator.

‘Sedimentary rocks form by an accuмulation of layers in a variety of environments such as the sea floor, lake or desert. The sediment will eventually consolidate to become rock strata (layers). Generally, the lowest layers are older than the upper layers and any plant or animal remains they contain will be older [and more evolved?], as will any minerals that formed during or soon after the deposition.’ ( GNS science website)

Is that a fact now? Well, experiments conducted at the University of Colorado by sedimentologist Guy Berthault (Guy Berthault: Principles of geologic dating in question, Fusion, May-June, 2000) between 1985 and 1990 have shattered all conceived assertions that sediments were laid down one layer on top of another throughout time. In fact, Berthault, testing sedimentation with sediments in moving waters, found sediments are laid down in a sideways motion, so that the bottom strata of deposits, always considered the oldest according to that ‘science,’ can well be younger than the top strata further back along the path of any deposit. Berthault’s tests offered scientific evidence that showed the long-age sedimentation geology of Lyell and others used by Darwin for his evolution is no longer feasible

cassini · « **Reply #84 on:** February 25, 2022, 11:25:31 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.

Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

- age rocks and sediments using various dating methods, e.g. radiometric dating
- old fossils and cadavers dated using radiocarbon methods (only goes back ~50,000 years)

Now google and find out when the evolution of flora and fauna began; life that must undergo a radio-carbon period. The website NewScientist began with ‘Pinning down when specific events occurred is often tricky. For this, biologists depend mainly on dating the rocks in which fossils are found, and by looking at the “molecular clocks” in the DNA of living organisms.’ Because of the problems in making up ages that were never there, they start with 3 billion years. Given the 50 to 100 thousand-year fossils are the only ones that can have some Carbon 14 left in them, how come an investigation by the Kolbe Center states that every single fossil they examined from around the world had carbon 14 still in them, with none less than 7-8,000 years?

‘“You read statements in books that such or such a society or archaeological site is 20,000 years old,” he commented, “but we learn rather abruptly that these numbers, these ancient ages, are not known accurately; in fact, it is about the first dynasty of Egypt that the first historical date of any real certainty has been established.”’ --- A. J. White, Radio-Carbon Dating, Cardiff, Wales, 1955, p.10.

In other words, no bones, buildings, artefacts, cloths etc., should be found older than the dates given in Genesis if the Bible is to be authentic. Try as they did, no trace of any civilisation could be dated with certainty as being more than 5,000 years old.

Radioactive Halos

Such an evolution and rock formation, of course, would have to include aspects of atomic radiation left behind in certain rocks, but that science did not begin until 1895. It seems that there is radioactivity going on within some rocks and it leaves behind evidence of this activity and decay. As one would expect it is a complicated science and is of course used to age the Earth at billions of years old, just like the layers of sediments themselves and the fossils found in them are used by the evolutionists to convince all it took millions of years to happen. Well, just as we had a Berthault who investigated the Earth’s sediments, the nuclear science of rocks had its man who investigated the history of radiation in them. His name is Robert Gentry (1933-2020) and he wrote up his findings in his book Creation’s Tiny Mystery in which he also tells us of the rejections he received from the ‘expert’ scientists in his field, exactly the same response Berthault experienced. In 1962, when he first proposed that he do a thesis on earlier investigations of the radioactive history of rock as his PhD, it was rejected on the basis that that science had already ended and any find other than established would challenge years of evolutionary findings. Such was Robert Gentry’s determination to do the retesting; he began it in his own premises, with his own money, whereas he said, many millions of taxpayers’ dollars were given to the evolutionists to pursue their propaganda there was no funding for something that might contradict their findings. So how does one go about dating a piece of granite? You crush it, he said in his lecture, found in his website (www.halos.com), do some chemistry on it, and extract chemical elements out of it like uranium, an active radiation, and examine the halos left after activity.

To make a long story short, Gentry found halos in certain rocks like granite that were instant, with little or no time in their decay. In other words, he said, it was God’s marker, left behind when He created rock instantly, to thwart the evolutionists God knew would eventually try to eliminate Him from His Creation. Needless to say, because his findings made the radioactive Earth-ageing business redundant, they gave him hell. Nevertheless, he challenged all of them to try to prove his instant creation wrong, which none could do. Now whereas Gentry’s find does not age the Earth scientifically, it prevents the evolutionary science from using rock formation as billions of years old.

cassini · « **Reply #85 on:** February 25, 2022, 11:33:46 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on January 03, 2022, 10:48:12 AM

I accept the evidence we have for an old universe.
Some examples, non-exhaustive list:

- old trees (tens of thousands of years old)

Just googled what is the age of the oldest tree on earth. The answer:

'The Great Basin Bristlecone Pine (Pinus Longaeva) has been deemed the oldest tree in existence, reaching an age of over 5,000 years old. The Bristlecone pines' success in living a long life can be attributed to the harsh conditions it lives in.'

People also ask
How old is the oldest tree in the world 2020?
5,070 years
An even older specimen of bristlecone sampled by Schulman in the White Mountains before he died was also crossdated by Tom Harlan, but not until 2009. This sample was also from a living tree, so the tree is aged 5,070 years as of 2020; this unnamed tree is currently the oldest verified living tree in the world.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #86 on:** February 25, 2022, 11:38:41 AM »

Quote from: cassini on February 25, 2022, 07:58:55 AM

Day 4: And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day; and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars. And he set them in the firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth, to rule the day and the night and to divide the light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And the evening and morning were the fourth day. God also said: Let the waters bring forth the creeping creature having life, and the fowl that may fly over the earth under the firmament of heaven.

Don't waste your time on Dankward. He's a Modernist who prefers to accept the fabricated evidence of atheistic science to the testimony of Sacred Scripture. It's clear that the earth was made before the sun, moon, and stars. One COULD argue for an older earth (per the Holy Office under St. Pius X) based on the idea that "day" might mean something other than a 24-hour day due to the sun not having been created yet. But human beings have been around only for 6,000 years or so. And the earth was created first and the center of creation, and the rest of the universe created around it later. To deny that is heresy.

Dankward · « **Reply #87 on:** February 25, 2022, 08:47:40 PM »

Quote from: Donachie on February 25, 2022, 12:12:55 AM

I think the lightyears concept is false. When any one sees starlight it is current to that time, not from lightyears or lightyears away. It may be far but it is a simple measure of distance away at a time, also as that part of the 24 hour cycle, and the stars all rotate around the Earth in 24 hours. When Sirius is up in the sky and going around, it is right then at that time that the light transmission is and is seen. The lightyears idea is illogical and heliocentric. The way time works, the past has been dismissed and is being dismissed even from moment to moment. Time is current to now and so is the light.

As to space, rockets have only so much capacity and the capacity of the Saturn V was hugely exaggerated. Communist China and ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA can't reach the moon with any rocket. In the City of God, St. Augustine wrote about deceiving spirits and the power of deceiving spirits, etc., and JPL and NASA are both Satanically influenced, i.e., they are communicating deceptions and are in the service of deceiving spirits.

Light is a wave and a particle which travels through a distance through space over a time.

Its speed can be measured accurately. We also know the distance to the stars and thus can find out how ling it takes for light to arrive at an observer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Measurement

Marion · « **Reply #88 on:** February 26, 2022, 01:02:27 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on February 25, 2022, 08:47:40 PM

Light is a wave and a particle which travels through a distance through space over a time.

A wave is a movement of a medium. Nothing doesn't move. To say otherwise, like physicist do since 1905, is simply nonsensical.

cassini · « **Reply #89 on:** February 26, 2022, 03:58:49 AM »

Quote from: Dankward on February 25, 2022, 08:47:40 PM

Light is a wave and a particle which travels through a distance through space over a time.

Its speed can be measured accurately. We also know the distance to the stars and thus can find out how ling it takes for light to arrive at an observer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Measurement

Yes, the speed of light can be measured. The distance of stars cannot be measured. Given Einstein's lot says heliocentrism and geocentrism cannot be confirmed by science, then the distance of stars, calculated only by the heliocentric method, is mere speculation.

Your Big Bang age for the stars then, cannot be confirmed. But if one believes in God's Word then all stars were created visible on Earth immediately which means one cannot age the universe by the stars. The only diastance-age man's science can measure is the light from exploding stars that could have taken no more than 6,000 to be seen on Earth, if God's word is true that is. So Dankward, its you or God. I will stick with God.

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