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Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2022, 09:28:04 AM »
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  • One of the many things I never questioned, until someone brought up the absurdity -- how do you have THRUST -- even if you bring your own oxygen (solid, liquid propellant) with a rocket in the vacuum of space? I've seen rockets work -- on earth. There is AIR to push against, giving you forward momentum or thrust. When there is NOTHING THERE -- a vacuum -- you get no thrust.

    It would be like trying to swim -- tread water -- in rubbing alcohol. It's too thin (low-density). It wouldn't give you anything to push off of, like water does.

    Rockets couldn't work in the vacuum of space, even according to science. Busted.

    It's similar to the argument that there should be no sounds in space, but all hollywood movies place all kinds of sounds there anyhow. With no air, you can't have certain common phenomena that we experience everywhere on earth. Sound, or explosions having something to thrust off of, or push.

    Do you realize you could detonate a HUGE bomb just 10 feet from a theoretical structure in a vacuum, and no damage would be done? Damage is normally done by a SHOCK WAVE which travels by air. With no air particles in a "vacuum of space" as taught by mainstream science, there would be no damage inflicted. All explosives operate on the principle of extremely-rapidly-expanding air, due to heat, reaching super-sonic levels. But the whole thing needs air.

    See, you have to turn on your thinking cap.
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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #31 on: January 02, 2022, 10:04:10 AM »
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  • It was a fat bull - for the launch and ascent phase, not that much aerodynamics were needed anyway, it was just all engines thrusting at full capacity as the atmosphere gets thinner. The structural load

    The real hard and dangerous part was the atmospheric reentry, because the heat tile system was a complicated and quite fragile design with multiple SS failures owed to it. The SS also only had one go at landing, because it was just coming down like a gliding rock with one try at making the perfect landing, there was no go around option.
    Re entry from space.  Laughable.  Imagine you're an astronot on a rocket, leaving earth, which according to the heliocentric model is going 67,000 mph.  It would take an entire year to catch earth again and only if you waited in the exact right spot for it to come back around.  Unless we have a space ship that goes 68,000 mph they never mentioned. This is the nonsense NASA wants us to believe and for some odd reason people are still trying to piece together this corpse of an idea hoping to resurrect portions of it. To include the globe.  Neither is there such thing as "orbit". Any man-made thing that goes up, must come down, after the fuel is consumed.  Until it comes down, it's fueled.  As pointed out before in this thread, fuel operates in earth's atmosphere only, so it's obvious "space" rockets are a lie.  It becomes clear how people will be persuaded to believe the Antichrist is god if they are willing to believe pathetic NASA lies.             


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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #32 on: January 02, 2022, 10:16:46 AM »
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  • Neither is there such thing as "orbit". Any man-made thing that goes up, must come down, after the fuel is consumed.

    ... unless it's something like a gigantic helium balloon.  Those too will EVENTUALLY come down, but the newest ones can stay aloft for years.

    Behold your "satellites" ...
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/FAT3f8NwprOk/  (warning:  a bit of foul language here ... a fair number F-bombs as the guy sees it "transiting" the moon)

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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #33 on: January 02, 2022, 11:33:10 AM »
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  • ... unless it's something like a gigantic helium balloon.  Those too will EVENTUALLY come down, but the newest ones can stay aloft for years.

    Behold your "satellites" ...
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/FAT3f8NwprOk/  (warning:  a bit of foul language here ... a fair number F-bombs as the guy sees it "transiting" the moon)
    Right, I just considered helium a fuel.  The fact that balloons are employed at all, and they are, and that communication systems operate by cable and transmitters, a known fact, the whole idea of satellites is just preposterous.  

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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #34 on: January 02, 2022, 11:44:01 AM »
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  • One of the many things I never questioned, until someone brought up the absurdity -- how do you have THRUST -- even if you bring your own oxygen (solid, liquid propellant) with a rocket in the vacuum of space? I've seen rockets work -- on earth. There is AIR to push against, giving you forward momentum or thrust. When there is NOTHING THERE -- a vacuum -- you get no thrust.
    No, these are just plain wrong. Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?

    A rocket engine doesn't work by pushing against matter, but by combusting fuel which evaporates gases (remember, a rocket engine produces trust by a constant controlled explosion). These expand out of the engine nozzle and create an opposite thrust vector. There are actually rocket engines which are designed to work better in vaccuum than in a pressurized environment, but that's besides the point.

    Here's a small demonstration of a rocket engine in vaccuм:


    Yeah, there is practically no sound in space because there is no matter to transport the waves.

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    Do you realize you could detonate a HUGE bomb just 10 feet from a theoretical structure in a vacuum, and no damage would be done? Damage is normally done by a SHOCK WAVE which travels by air. With no air particles in a "vacuum of space" as taught by mainstream science, there would be no damage inflicted. All explosives operate on the principle of extremely-rapidly-expanding air, due to heat, reaching super-sonic levels. But the whole thing needs air.
    The huge bomb point is wrong too - you only need rapidly expanding / accelerating matter to wreak havoc. It's not a classical "faster than sound" shock wave that's happening, there are multiple kinds of shock waves. As you can see here in this neat little video demonstration:



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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #35 on: January 02, 2022, 11:52:04 AM »
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  • Re entry from space.  Laughable.  Imagine you're an astronot on a rocket, leaving earth, which according to the heliocentric model is going 67,000 mph.  It would take an entire year to catch earth again and only if you waited in the exact right spot for it to come back around.  Unless we have a space ship that goes 68,000 mph they never mentioned. This is the nonsense NASA wants us to believe and for some odd reason people are still trying to piece together this corpse of an idea hoping to resurrect portions of it. To include the globe.  Neither is there such thing as "orbit". Any man-made thing that goes up, must come down, after the fuel is consumed.  Until it comes down, it's fueled.  As pointed out before in this thread, fuel operates in earth's atmosphere only, so it's obvious "space" rockets are a lie.  It becomes clear how people will be persuaded to believe the Antichrist is god if they are willing to believe pathetic NASA lies.
    I'm sorry to say that you're embarassing yourself here, Tradman, as you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

    I'd advise you to research frames of reference, inertial systems, and orbital mechanics before you say anything on this topic again.

    A rocket leaving Earth moving at 68,000mph retains the same speed ± it's own velocity obviously, also called deltaV.

    An object moving fast enough around a center of mass can counteract its gravitational pull by canceling out the centrifugal and the centripetal (gravitational) forces - it remains constantly in free fall around the center of mass. Because these orbits are not perfect, a tiny amount of fuel is needed every year to keep a spacecraft in a healthy orbit.

    What actually creates the reentry heat is a spacecraft that orbits Earth and starts entering the atmosphere at very high speeds - still relative to the 68,000mph movement vector - which creates immense friction with the air molecules brushing against the hull.

    Also, it's not just NASA. But because you like it so much, here is footage of a reentry, filmed directly from the spacecraft:


    Gorgeous CGI, or is it? Oh, here's a Russian spacecraft that is intentionally deorbited and disposed of:


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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #36 on: January 02, 2022, 11:58:15 AM »
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  • A rocket engine doesn't work by pushing against matter, but by combusting fuel which evaporates gases (remember, a rocket engine produces trust by a constant controlled explosion). These expand out of the engine nozzle and create an opposite thrust vector. There are actually rocket engines which are designed to work better in vaccuum than in a pressurized environment, but that's besides the point.

    Says NASA and other liars. I don't believe liars. You can believe them with worse-than-blind faith if you wish; I choose not to.

    What if there IS no "vacuum of space", as many individuals hold?

    That's called BEGGING THE QUESTION.
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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #37 on: January 02, 2022, 11:58:25 AM »
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  • I'm sorry to say that you're embarassing yourself here, Tradman, as you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

    I'd advise you to research frames of reference, inertial systems, and orbital mechanics before you say anything on this topic again.

    A rocket leaving Earth moving at 68,000mph retains the same speed ± it's own velocity obviously, also called deltaV.

    What actually creates the reentry heat is a spacecraft that orbits Earth and starts entering the atmosphere at very high speeds - still relative to the 68,000mph movement vector - which creates immense friction with the air molecules brushing against the hull.

    Also, it's not just NASA. But because you like it so much, here is footage of a reentry, filmed directly from the spacecraft:


    Gorgeous CGI, or is it? Oh, here's a Russian spacecraft that is intentionally deorbited and disposed of:

    That may be what they say, but it is utter nonsense.  When you leave the ground you become independent of it and if travelling along at thousands of mph, it will leave you up in the air.  But, since the ground doesn't travel anywhere, and rockets don't go into space, convince yourself it's one big travelling circus.     


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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #38 on: January 02, 2022, 12:00:06 PM »
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  • ... unless it's something like a gigantic helium balloon.  Those too will EVENTUALLY come down, but the newest ones can stay aloft for years.

    Behold your "satellites" ...
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/FAT3f8NwprOk/  (warning:  a bit of foul language here ... a fair number F-bombs as the guy sees it "transiting" the moon)
    He filmed a nice weather ballon, that's great. Way to slow for an actual spacecraft, but he filmed a lunar transit, that's great.

    So what does that show? Did that remotely resemble an actual satellite in size, speed and structure? Not at all.

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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #39 on: January 02, 2022, 12:00:36 PM »
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  • Also, it's not just NASA. But because you like it so much, here is footage of a reentry, filmed directly from the spacecraft:


    Gorgeous CGI, or is it? Oh, here's a Russian spacecraft that is intentionally deorbited and disposed of:

    I don't have time to watch cartoons or fake CGI. I've seen better material from Hollywood -- they're the real masters of making fiction look real. NASA are just amateurs by comparison.

    An interesting sidenote about how easily humans are deceived, and human nature -- do you know how many people think Sandra Bullock was in outer space, because she starred in the recent film, "Gravity"? People think it really happened, because IT LOOKED SO REAL. 
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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #40 on: January 02, 2022, 12:44:56 PM »
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  • Says NASA and other liars. I don't believe liars. You can believe them with worse-than-blind faith if you wish; I choose not to.

    What if there IS no "vacuum of space", as many individuals hold?

    That's called BEGGING THE QUESTION.

    Again, argument from ignorance. I showed video of a dude testing a rocket engine in his homemade vacuum tube, and it still works:



    That proves your previous claim wrong.

    The pressure gradient, which is a fact, slowly fades to near zero pressure. Space is one of the most perfect vacuums known to us.

    I'm not begging the question, it is you guys. Not a single solid proof, no model, no map, no zodiac / star map, not a single scientific work, no research paper, nothing of substance was released on flat Earth in over 70 years of its modern existence. That really makes you wonder whose logic is based un unproven premises.

    But yes, believe what you want.

    I'm done arguing here, it is a waste of time.


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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #41 on: January 02, 2022, 01:49:31 PM »
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  • Again, argument from ignorance. I showed video of a dude testing a rocket engine in his homemade vacuum tube, and it still works:

    You can get miniscule amount of thrust do the the equal+opposite reaction principle.  No "homemade" vaccuм tube will completely evacuate the tube.

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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #42 on: January 02, 2022, 01:50:12 PM »
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  • I'm done arguing here, it is a waste of time.

    Don't let the door hit you on the backside as you leave.

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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #43 on: January 02, 2022, 01:53:59 PM »
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  • He filmed a nice weather ballon, that's great.

    And that's what nearly all satellites are.  NASA is the biggest consumer of helium in the world and puts up tons of helium-borne satellites.  99% of all internet communication travels through ocean-floor cables that are constantly under threat.

    Some mathematician worked out the numbers and indicated that you should see 15-30 satellites transit the moon every hour, given how many are claimed to be up there.  So one amateur astronomer ... who used to believe in satellites ... set up to find them.  He spent hours and hours looking for them but found one or two circular things the entire time he's been filming.  He came to the conclusion that they don't exist.  He's not a flat earther either.  And those circular things he saw, given how high satellites are supposed to be, would have calculated to be about 80 miles in diameter.  So what he saw were not the satellites they claim are actually up there.

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    Re: Why no Space Travel, not even LEO?
    « Reply #44 on: January 02, 2022, 01:55:45 PM »
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  • You can get miniscule amount of thrust do the the equal+opposite reaction principle.  No "homemade" vaccuм tube will completely evacuate the tube.

    And wouldn't the thrust hit the walls of the small tube? Wouldn't the relatively small size of the "vacuum tube" invalidate the experiment?

    How about when there are thousands of miles of NOTHING, not even air, in all directions? What are the heated gasses from a rocket nozzle supposed to push off against to generate thrust in a given direction?

    I don't think most people appreciate how different the "rules of the game" are, when there's NO AIR.
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