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Offline flatearthtrads

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Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
« on: October 08, 2019, 03:39:08 PM »
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  • Our friend Dr. R.B. explains why the flat earth is so important.

    https://flatearthtrads.wixsite.com/flatearthtrads/single-post/2019/10/08/Why-is-flat-earth-so-important

    *If the earth is flat, atheism is dead because our environment simply cannot have randomly emerged from nothing: there has to be a Creator.

     

    *If there is a Creator, that means :

    -we are just creatures (and not gods) and we are grateful for our lives: we have to be grateful...


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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #1 on: October 28, 2019, 08:44:06 AM »
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  • I can see why neo-pagans and heretical believers in sola scriptura might believe in flat earth, but it makes no sense for traditional Catholics to reject the traditional belief of Catholics that the earth is shaped as a sphere.  

    Although spherical earth was accepted for most of the Church's history, it was never taught de fide so one might be able to make a science argument for flat earth if there were some evidence for it.  Trying to make a religious argument, however, is absurd.

    The idea that Catholics believed in a flat earth at any time past the patristic period comes from anti-Catholic propaganda. It is true enough that views were split on the topic in the first centuries of the Church, but eventually a consensus emerged among Catholics that the earth is a sphere.   St. Bede, writing around 700 AD, clearly taught this and his works were spread throughout Christendom with no opposition.

    As the Catholic Church sponsored university system arose, all students were taught the earth is a sphere.  Every Saint, Doctor and Pope educated this way believed the earth is a sphere.

    How can people who call themselves traditional Catholics pit themselves against the beliefs of our fathers in Faith this way?


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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #2 on: December 11, 2019, 05:07:09 PM »
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  • I can see why neo-pagans and heretical believers in sola scriptura might believe in flat earth, but it makes no sense for traditional Catholics to reject the traditional belief of Catholics that the earth is shaped as a sphere.  

    Although spherical earth was accepted for most of the Church's history, it was never taught de fide so one might be able to make a science argument for flat earth if there were some evidence for it.  Trying to make a religious argument, however, is absurd.

    The idea that Catholics believed in a flat earth at any time past the patristic period comes from anti-Catholic propaganda. It is true enough that views were split on the topic in the first centuries of the Church, but eventually a consensus emerged among Catholics that the earth is a sphere.   St. Bede, writing around 700 AD, clearly taught this and his works were spread throughout Christendom with no opposition.

    As the Catholic Church sponsored university system arose, all students were taught the earth is a sphere.  Every Saint, Doctor and Pope educated this way believed the earth is a sphere.

    How can people who call themselves traditional Catholics pit themselves against the beliefs of our fathers in Faith this way?

    But spherical earth has not been "taught" either.  Yes, it has been widely held by Catholics for many centuries, but on scientific grounds.  Just as indeed the Church has never taught flat earth, the Church has not taught spherical earth either.  You appear to be mistaking widespread belief regarding a matter of natural science with Church teaching.  Really, the farthest you can go is to say that Catholic have not considered spherical earth incompatible with Scripture.

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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 05:51:05 PM »
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  • But spherical earth has not been "taught" either.  Yes, it has been widely held by Catholics for many centuries, but on scientific grounds.  Just as indeed the Church has never taught flat earth, the Church has not taught spherical earth either.  You appear to be mistaking widespread belief regarding a matter of natural science with Church teaching.  Really, the farthest you can go is to say that Catholic have not considered spherical earth incompatible with Scripture.
    You appear to not understand the argument that I am making since you are telling me all the things that I just said.  Or are you just agreeing with me in a strange way? 

    And why put the word "taught" in quotes.  At no point did I says that the Church taught spherical earth, so what are you quoting?

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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 11:54:12 AM »
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  • You said:

    As the Catholic Church sponsored university system arose, all students were taught the earth is a sphere.  Every Saint, Doctor and Pope educated this way believed the earth is a sphere. 

    Still haven't seen quotes of saints, doctors or popes who teach earth is a sphere.  

    How can people who call themselves traditional Catholics pit themselves against the beliefs of our fathers in Faith this way?
    This quote of yours suggests that Catholic tradition holds earth is a sphere, yet not one spherical earth teaching has been shown.    

    You said: At no point did I says that the Church taught spherical earth, so what are you quoting?

    What the poster Ladislaus said is completely different than what you're trying to infer.    


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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #5 on: January 25, 2020, 01:57:23 PM »
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  • The earth being flat is very important...maybe not for forgiveness of sins, but in the modern times that emphasizes an expansive universe, darwinism, evolution, the age of the earth as millions of years, plus so many other topics contrary to the faith it is vital to know the truth. 
    The earth is flat and just observation can tell you this. I always doubted the globe theory but thought "well the experts say it is so what do I know" but the problem is that is exactly what they want you to think...we are just dumbed down little slaves and we must obey...this is true with many other topics in the education system. 
    I don't know why the Catholic Church ultimately sided with the globe/heliocentric model, but it is not a dogma nor an issue of faith or morals, however it has played a part in the destruction of morals.
    If you research the historical aspects, the biblical indications, and the ancient cultural beliefs (yes they are pagan but they commonly held the earth was flat...even the hebrews) also there is scientific evidence such as the earth not going down every such and such feet  ( I forget the math exactly).
    We must not be so hung up in our ways that we close ourselves to truth.

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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #6 on: February 10, 2020, 10:07:22 AM »
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  • But spherical earth has not been "taught" either.  Yes, it has been widely held by Catholics for many centuries, but on scientific grounds.  Just as indeed the Church has never taught flat earth, the Church has not taught spherical earth either.  You appear to be mistaking widespread belief regarding a matter of natural science with Church teaching.  Really, the farthest you can go is to say that Catholic have not considered spherical earth incompatible with Scripture.

    So, Ladislaus is a Flat Earther?  Why am I not surprised.  
    "Schismatics are in another Church even if they agree with the true Church of Christ in faith and doctrine." (Bellarmine, De Ecclesia Militante cap v)

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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #7 on: February 10, 2020, 10:11:08 AM »
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  • Our friend Dr. R.B. explains why the flat earth is so important.

    https://flatearthtrads.wixsite.com/flatearthtrads/single-post/2019/10/08/Why-is-flat-earth-so-important

    *If the earth is flat, atheism is dead because our environment simply cannot have randomly emerged from nothing: there has to be a Creator.

     

    *If there is a Creator, that means :

    -we are just creatures (and not gods) and we are grateful for our lives: we have to be grateful...
    "Flat-Earth Priest on St. Thomas"

    What traditional priest believes the Earth is flat?
    "Schismatics are in another Church even if they agree with the true Church of Christ in faith and doctrine." (Bellarmine, De Ecclesia Militante cap v)


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    Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
    « Reply #8 on: February 10, 2020, 12:09:49 PM »
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  • So, Ladislaus is a Flat Earther?  Why am I not surprised.  
    I do not consider Ladislaus a Flat Earther and I do not recall him ever referring to himself as one.  Unlike some, he gets the history right.  He acknowledges that the Catholic Church has never taught the earth is flat and that spherical earth has historically been the dominant belief among Catholics. 

    He is willing to examine the science of whether the earth is flat or spherical.  From what I can tell, the majority of people who look down on the belief that the earth is flat do not know enough about it to be able to defend for themselves the idea that the earth is a sphere, merely accepting what they have been told.  While I reject the idea of flat earth myself, I see nothing wrong with being extremely skeptical about the things that "everybody knows" about science.