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Offline Neil Obstat

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Why Do Submarines Work?
« on: March 17, 2018, 07:59:22 PM »
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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #1 on: March 24, 2018, 12:57:11 AM »
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  • A nice simple explanation of how a submarine works.  

    The video uses "center of gravity" and "center of weight" interchangeably.  I think it does that because it is.  We don't need gravity to explain boyance;  weight does the trick.  The only things we need gravity to explain are spinning ball earth (w/out people flying off), planets forming out of swirling dust balls, black holes, ect.  In other words, stuff that seems more like make believe/occult, than science.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #2 on: March 24, 2018, 02:42:50 PM »
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  • Why Do Submarines Work?

    Hmmm.  The exterior of the modern ones isn't all that exciting to just look at.  So maybe after the U.S. Navy paid $2 billion for each of the "Trident" ballistic-missile (SSBN 726 Ohio-class) subs in the late 1970--mid? 1980s, then spent more money, probably after the trumpeted "End of the Cold War",  to convert some of them to guided-missile subs (meaning cruise missiles, methinks), and upgrading their mission-critical computing from late-1960s technology [†], it fussily insists on getting some work out of the active-duty crews for which it's also paying.

    Is that what you meant by the subject-line for your topic?

    I really should keep an eye out for an opportunity to visit their East-Coast base at St. Mary's, Ga. (U.S.A.), on some date when they've preännounced tours inside at least 1 of their big subs, while they're still stationed there.

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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2018, 01:19:42 AM »
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  • A nice simple explanation of how a submarine works.  

    The video uses "center of gravity" and "center of weight" interchangeably.  I think it does that because it is.  We don't need gravity to explain boyance [sic];  weight does the trick.  The only things we need gravity to explain are spinning ball earth (w/out people flying off), planets forming out of swirling dust balls, black holes, ect [sic].  In other words, stuff that seems more like make believe/occult, than science.  
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    boyance? ect? made-up stuff like that? Or, are you an expert on made-up stuff like "flat" earthism?
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    But I digress.
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    If submarines are make-believe or occult, then why do they surface with all hands still alive? (Usually)

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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #4 on: April 05, 2018, 03:38:19 AM »
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    boyance? ect? made-up stuff like that? Or, are you an expert on made-up stuff like "flat" earthism?
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    But I digress.
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    If submarines are make-believe or occult, then why do they surface with all hands still alive? (Usually)
    I didn't say anything like that.  Why are you being such a jerk?  You get you're acting like a jerk don't you?  You know that right?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #5 on: April 06, 2018, 01:30:20 AM »
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  • I didn't say anything like that.  Why are you being such a jerk?  You get you're acting like a jerk don't you?  You know that right?  
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    Yes, this is EXACTLY what you said:
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    A nice simple explanation of how a submarine works.  

    The video uses "center of gravity" and "center of weight" interchangeably.  I think it does that because it is.  We don't need gravity to explain boyance;  weight does the trick.  The only things we need gravity to explain are spinning ball earth (w/out people flying off), planets forming out of swirling dust balls, black holes, ect.  In other words, stuff that seems more like make believe/occult, than science.  
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    You said "boyance" and "ect" those are direct quotes. It's quite precisely what you said.

    What is boyance then, since you're so perfect.
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    Type "boyance" into a search engine and this is the first hit:
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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #6 on: April 06, 2018, 10:22:20 PM »
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    Yes, this is EXACTLY what you said:
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    You said "boyance" and "ect" those are direct quotes. It's quite precisely what you said.

    What is boyance then, since you're so perfect.
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    Type "boyance" into a search engine and this is the first hit:
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    Oh no, a spelling error!  Try to stick to the topic Neil.   ::)
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #7 on: April 07, 2018, 12:19:00 AM »
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  • Oh no, a spelling error!  Try to stick to the topic Neil.   ::)
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    It's very simple.
    If you know what spelling mistakes you made, then FIX THEM and post your corrected version.
    Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
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    Here is the topic:
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    Spelling Counts/Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #8 on: April 07, 2018, 10:02:36 AM »
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  • Oh no, a spelling error!

    Indeed!

    It's obvious that you (i.e., ‘WholeFoodsTrad’) don't "get" that when you're having any kind of technical debate or argument in an Internet forum, just about the quickest or most efficient way to discredit yourself is to misspell any of the crucial technical terms.

    Why should any reader believe that you understand a term that you can't even spell correctly?

    3 days and 2 more of your replies have passed (to date) since a reply from ‘Neil Obstat’ [†] drew reader attention to your error(s), but did you take that time & those opportunities to post corrections?   Oh, no!  Instead, you complained about someone who dared to point them out to other readers.  Do you expect them to fail to notice your self-indulgent stubbornness, which reflects so poorly on you?


    Try to stick to the topic Neil.

    Neil originated this topic, which customarily gives him privileges of digression.

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    CGI?/Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #9 on: April 08, 2018, 04:01:18 PM »
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  • Submarines aren't real.  They are CGI made up by NASA. :popcorn:

    Considering that the submarine footage in the 13 hours of the classic t.v. docuмentary Victory at Sea was advertised as having been chosen from genuine chemical-photographic film [†] made available by the U.S. Navy, including by being captured from the German or Imperial Japanese Navies, I'm very eager to read about the undisclosed role of Computer-Graphic Imaging in its production.
    :popcorn:

    Victory at Sea was first broadcast by NBC over 1952--1953.  That was at the same time as the Remington-Rand UNIVAC I became operational.  It became famous among the general public on Election Night 1952--but on competitor CBS--where it unexpectedly-but-correctly called the U.S. Presidental Election for the underdog Eisenhower (R) over the poll-favorite Stevenson (D).  Having demonstrated such formidable forecasting powers, utilizing a 2-millisecond multiply and 1 kiloword decimal memory, it was an embarrassment of computational riches.

    It's easy to understand why NBC would have wanted to get its own hands on such a blazingly fast platform for CGI.  I can't wait to read how NBC engineers brought all their latest technology together and made it all happen for Victory at Sea.
    :popcorn:

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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #10 on: May 28, 2018, 03:44:25 AM »
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    For what it's worth, at your suggestion I watched quite a few Victory at Sea movies looking for submarine periscope footage but couldn't find any. 
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    What I did find was a lot of short clips (of ocean scenes and Naval vessel scenes and tropical island scenes -- other than periscope views) that were used repeatedly in different movies.  
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    Overall, if they kept any adherence to authentic film clips on principle alone, the movies end up suffering in their overall impression because the viewer becomes jaded with the seemingly endless patchwork of disconnected themes that results. 
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    Other war movies that employ special effects and synthesized scenes which help to lend continuity to the story line make for more watchable movies. 
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    Re: Why Do Submarines Work?
    « Reply #11 on: May 28, 2018, 03:53:30 AM »
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  • A nice simple explanation of how a submarine works.  

    The video uses "center of gravity" and "center of weight" interchangeably.  I think it does that because it is.  We don't need gravity to explain boyance [sic];  weight does the trick.  The only things we need gravity to explain are spinning ball earth (w/out people flying off), planets forming out of swirling dust balls, black holes, ect [sic].  In other words, stuff that seems more like make believe/occult, than science.  
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    If you had any knowledge of engineering practices you'd realize that the movie uses "center of gravity" and "center of weight" interchangeably because different schools of engineering do that too. The reason is, gravity is a force, and weight is a force, so they're both forces, and they're both tied to the same objects.
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    If the same submarine were placed in an entirely different environment such as a body of water on Mars (presuming one could be found there, probably not) then center of gravity would be the preferred term so as not to be confused with the weight forces from Earth.
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    But in a purist sense, the same submarine would have different weight when located at different places on the Earth because the forces of gravity are different depending on where you're located. A mass weighed at the north pole for example is heavier than the same mass weighed at the equator. Therefore when speaking of situations that could be in various places all over the world, it would be better to stick to center of gravity.
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