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Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2018, 10:09:22 PM »

Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2018, 03:45:00 PM »
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Quote from: hismajesty on February 19, 2018, 02:51:27 AM
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Ladislaus,
What you have to understand is that flat earthers are not the ones proposing a model. 
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You have to have some idea of a model.  If you KNOW that the earth isn't a globe, then you have to have SOME idea of what it actually is.  I've seen the commonly-used flat earth map for instance (that's a model).  I'm actually exonerating flat earthers if the model cannot currently explain every detail ... because they don't have the scientific apparatus behind them to actually get any precision on the model.  Right now the model is purely speculative.
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Ladislaus, you're wasting your time asking about a "flat-earth model" because flat-earthers won't give you one.
They revert to the fallacy that denies the necessity of principle, because they don't operate on principles.
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Flat-earthers deny the necessity of principle. 
They don't want to have a model because they know there is no such model that can stand up to simple tests.
Every model they have tried (and there are many) fails for one or more simple reasons.
Since they know they cannot produce a working model, they rely on the false premise that they don't need one.
The simple principle that says, if the earth is "flat" a working model is a direct consequence, is what they reject.
They deny the necessity of producing a working model because they deny the principle that demands it.
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Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2018, 05:41:19 PM »
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In this docuмentary it is explained that at the start of WWII it was considered irresponsible for submarines to run surfaced during daytime since they could be spotted by the enemy. Subs remained submerged only to surface at night to vent the interior air and recharge the batteries. Being submerged in the daytime meant the subs could only move forward at the speed of a walking man and therefore would have to position themselves ahead of the target ships and wait for them to approach the submarines. Their attacks had to take place at close range, meaning a first strike miss was a very dangerous situation for the attacking subs. Trying to escape while submerged was very risky considering depth charges, and remaining surfaced, even though faster on the surface than ships, they were easy targets for the big guns on ships.
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Then, as the war progressed a newly developed plan using submarines for attacking surface ships during the daytime changed the strategy of subs. It was realized that at longer range a sub was not visible to a ship while the ship was visible to the sub, and a sub could outrun ships so long as the sub does not dive below. This meant enemy target ships could be followed at a greater distance. By their low profile, subs on the surface would remain outside the viewing range of ships (hidden by the earth's curvature) while the target ships' course and position was trackable because the submarines could watch the ships' higher profile and their smoke exhaust (even while the hull, decks and superstructure were hidden by the earth's curvature). 

Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2018, 12:54:49 AM »
So on The Flat Earth "Model," ships disapear over the horizon from the top down.  Hence, ships would be visible, before submarines would be.  

Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2018, 07:51:11 PM »
So on The Flat Earth "Model," ships disapear over the horizon from the top down.  Hence, ships would be visible, before submarines would be.  
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Flat-earthers keep saying there is no flat-earth model and they don't want one. 
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Now you're trying to change that, by describing the "Model" that doesn't exist? 
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Maybe you ought to watch the docuмentary on submarine warfare in WWII, that is, if you want to learn something.

That could be a huge stretch.