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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 07:48:30 AM »
Quote from: St Ignatius on February 18, 2018, 10:43:30 PM
Neil, I don't know if anybody else will appreciate this video, but I think you'll have fun with it...

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Interesting video for sure.  They talk about the math of how far away lighthouses and whatnot can be seen from ship.  There are claims that many lighthouses have defied this math and can be seen from much farther out than they should be.  Question is whether these reports are actually true.
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Offline hismajesty

Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 09:49:26 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 19, 2018, 07:33:47 AM
You have to have some idea of a model.  If you KNOW that the earth isn't a globe, then you have to have SOME idea of what it actually is.  I've seen the commonly-used flat earth map for instance (that's a model).  I'm actually exonerating flat earthers if the model cannot currently explain every detail ... because they don't have the scientific apparatus behind them to actually get any precision on the model.  Right now the model is purely speculative.

The idea of a model is based simply on what we see. We see a flat plane and so presume it is always like that.

But mapping is another issue.

The solidity of the firmament is speculation, but could be proven by science. Not by ordinary folks though.

I agree that the model is speculative. but there are questions over the different models, so people flat earthers are entitled to have different opinions. But one thing we are united around is our rejection of the globe.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2018, 11:22:28 PM »
Quote from: hismajesty on February 19, 2018, 09:49:26 AM
The idea of a model is based simply on what we see. We see a flat plane and so presume it is always like that.

But mapping is another issue.

The solidity of the firmament is speculation, but could be proven by science. Not by ordinary folks though.

I agree that the model is speculative. but there are questions over the different models, so people flat earthers are entitled to have different opinions. But one thing we are united around is our rejection of the globe.
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Based on what we see, putting together all the data, when you come up with a model, it is a globe.
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Simple.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2018, 11:56:29 PM »
Quote from: St Ignatius on February 18, 2018, 10:43:30 PM
Neil, I don't know if anybody else will appreciate this video, but I think you'll have fun with it...

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The date at the end says MCMXLIII -- 1943.
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That's the year they made pennies out of steel (saving copper for the war), but about a dozen copper pennies were struck by mistake.
Today there are only 4-1943 copper pennies known to exist and they're valued at roughly $200,000 each (two hundred thousand dollars).
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The video shows precise identification of lighthouse beacons based on their flashing timing which is measured by stopwatch.
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Curiously, such stopwatches were not yet invented during WWI.
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So as our equipment gets more precise and sophisticated, better observations can be made.
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This entire video would be nonsense if the earth were "flat" especially for the Cape Charles Light with 740,000 candlepower and 180 ft. in height.
See minute 2. Visibility is given in their tables based on height of the light above sea level, because of earth's curvature.
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Why is such a powerful light not visible far out at sea? Because of the earth's curvature! 
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Why Do Periscope Views Hide the Lower Hull of Distant Ships?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2018, 12:00:10 AM »
Quote from: hismajesty on February 19, 2018, 04:51:27 AM
Ladislaus,
What you have to understand is that flat earthers are not the ones proposing a model.

We are condemning the globe because it doesn't stand on two legs in terms of the science.
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Flat-earthers don't have a model because their bull-hockey "theory" is a pile of crap.
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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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The spheroid earth model meets up just fine with all the observed data, from every branch of science.
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You see, I don't have to "believe" anything. I have seen with my own eyes the direct effect of the earth's curvature.
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I have seen it with my own eyes and so I can be perfectly confident and honest about the spheroid earth, unlike others here on this forum who have not enjoyed the privilege I have had.
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If I were to say anything different I would be misrepresenting what I know to be true.
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