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Offline Thed0ctor

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Re: why catholics are so opposed to flat earth
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2020, 10:41:22 AM »
I think that people (the church, saints, tradition etc) disagree that the bible consistently teaches that the earth is flat though which is the point being made. It may look like the bible is saying that when you read it, but many of the saints, popes etc en masse disagree that the bible says that. So there would need to be some alternative compelling reason to contradict those sources. Otherwise there isn’t much incentive to research the issue further
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Offline Meg

Re: why catholics are so opposed to flat earth
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2020, 07:47:28 AM »
Quote from: Thed0ctor on September 18, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
I think that people (the church, saints, tradition etc) disagree that the bible consistently teaches that the earth is flat though which is the point being made. It may look like the bible is saying that when you read it, but many of the saints, popes etc en masse disagree that the bible says that. So there would need to be some alternative compelling reason to contradict those sources. Otherwise there isn’t much incentive to research the issue further

What pope, exactly, said that the earth is not flat?
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Offline Thed0ctor

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Re: why catholics are so opposed to flat earth
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2020, 07:10:46 PM »
I’ll retract pope from my previous comment since I don’t know any popes off hand that have said one way or the other.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: why catholics are so opposed to flat earth
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2020, 10:39:34 AM »
Quote from: Thed0ctor on September 19, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
I’ll retract pope from my previous comment since I don’t know any popes off hand that have said one way or the other.

There is a Church docuмent which shows a pope assuming that the earth is a globe. When both Spain and Portugal were exploring and laying claims to non-European territories, the Church issued a docuмent in 1493 describing the boundaries for these claims, called Inter Caetera.  In this docuмent we see references that clearly assume a globe earth, such as:

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...all islands and mainlands found and to be found, discovered and to be discovered towards the west and south, by drawing and establishing a line from the Arctic pole, namely the north, to the Antarctic pole, namely the south...

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Alex06/alex06inter.htm

There is no flat earth model in which it makes sense to speak of drawing a straight line from the North Pole to the South Pole like this.  Pope Alexander VI, like all other educated Catholics, obviously thought of the earth as a globe.
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Offline forlorn

Re: why catholics are so opposed to flat earth
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2020, 08:04:18 AM »
Quote from: Meg on September 19, 2020, 07:47:28 AM
What pope, exactly, said that the earth is not flat?
The entire Galileo debate was over whether the Earth orbited the Sun or the Sun orbited the Earth. "Orbiting" isn't a concept in a Flat Earth model, and Galileo's heliocentric model was never criticised for its representation of the Earth as a sphere, nor was such even commented on(because it was unremarkable, it was what the geocentrists believed too).

Every time the pope crowned a Holy Roman Emperor, the Emperor held a globus cruciger(a ball with a cross on top) representing Christ's reign over the Earth. So the Earth was represented as a globe for a millennium at these coronations and never once did a pope criticise this representation, because the popes too(as did all men in those times) believed in a round Earth.

The Flat Earth had some support in the Patristic Era, but it had no adherence at all in the medieval era or after.
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