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Offline Stanley N

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Re: What is the geocentrist explanation for stellar aberration?
« Reply #90 on: October 09, 2018, 12:32:40 AM »
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  • I never said I could prove that the two condemned propositions are infallibly condemned. I said that I believe they are infallibly condemned.


    No I didn't. I just inserted in brackets more from the original text to have my own statements represented as I stated them.
    My response was specifically on the claim that the referenced decisions were infallible. ("because the 1633 condemnations obviously are infallible"). You inserting other text changes that.

    Do you really think your change honestly reflects what I was responding to?


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    Re: What is the geocentrist explanation for stellar aberration?
    « Reply #91 on: October 09, 2018, 12:43:47 AM »
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  • My response was specifically on the claim that the referenced decisions were infallible. ("because the 1633 condemnations obviously are infallible"). You inserting other text changes that.

    Do you really think your change honestly reflects what I was responding to?

    Yes, I think that my additions in brackets honestly reflect what I had said and what you knowingly were responding to. Here my "changes" which I inserted in brackets to make clear that I added them:

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    I know they [both propositions (moving earth and resting sun)] are [absurd and false philosophically], because the 1633 condemnations obviously are infallible. And even if the act of the 1633 condemnations was not an infallible act, the condemnations still would be true.

    Your accusation is ridiculous!
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


    Offline Stanley N

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    Re: What is the geocentrist explanation for stellar aberration?
    « Reply #92 on: October 09, 2018, 06:02:24 AM »
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  • Yes, I think that my additions in brackets honestly reflect what I had said and what you knowingly were responding to. Here my "changes" which I inserted in brackets to make clear that I added them:
    I was responding to the claims of infallibility, as I have said, and that was clear from the quote of yours I used for the response. You changed this.

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    Re: What is the geocentrist explanation for stellar aberration?
    « Reply #93 on: October 10, 2018, 10:20:14 PM »
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  • I was responding to the claims of infallibility, as I have said, and that was clear from the quote of yours I used for the response. You changed this.

    I changed "I know they are" into "I know they [both propositions (moving earth and resting sun)] are [absurd and false philosophically].

    That is not truely a change, given what I had said originally:

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    Given this situation, you still could reject the two 1633 condemnations, and I could not call you a heretic for doing so, I could not make you wake up. This is why I want to know why both propositions (moving earth and resting sun) are absurd and false philosophically. I know they are, because the 1633 condemnations obviously are infallible. And even if the act of the 1633 condemnations was not an infallible act, the condemnations still would be true.

    Rather you, quoting my "I know they are" without the preceding sentence, make my "I know they are" meaningless and leave the reader in doubt who "they" are and what they are. "they" are "both propositions (moving earth and resting sun)"  and they are "absurd and false philosophically".

    You quoted my post in a suboptimal way, and all I did was inserting necessary qualifications of my own original post in brackets.

    You're really pathetic, complaining in this situation.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)