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  • Exactly how is Our Lady and her message destroyed?
      The flatFantasy folks want to twist her words.
    BTW Meg, quite by accident I found what you requested yesterday; today while reading the story of the Miraculous Medal
    The story in French.


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  •  The flatFantasy folks want to twist her words.
    BTW Meg, quite by accident I found what you requested yesterday; today while reading the story of the Miraculous Medal
    The story in French.

    That not a real response. I asked you how Our Lady and Her message have been destroyed, which you have accused flat-earthers of doing. Please provide a REAL response. Not a fake one. 


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  • PIUS VII

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  • PIUS VII

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    Hey you!  WAKE UP!!   :jester:
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    I'm leaning toward BIPOLAR.
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    On the contrary, you're already there.   ;D  
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    Pope Pius XII referred to the earth as "the globe" many times. Maybe flat-earthers should denounce him as a "fake CGI" pope too.  :laugh2:
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  • The Blessed Mother of God when She detailed the way she wanted the Miraculous medal designed.
    She held in Her hand a globe and used the word globe.  

    Sorry, but this is the LEAST compelling piece of "evidence".  As I said, I am currently not flat earth.  This globe is symbolic, in a work of art, and can mean any number of things.

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    Pope Pius XII referred to the earth as "the globe" many times. Maybe flat-earthers should denounce him as a "fake CGI" pope too.  :laugh2:
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    So Pius Xll bought into the globe earth nonsense. He's wasn't the only one.

    What I find interesting is that while Pope Pius Xll canonized St. Catherine Laboure, he did not use the words of Our Lady (to St. Catherine Laboure) to proclaim that the earth is a globe.

    If Our Lady's message to St. Catherine Laboure was meant to include a definition of how the earth is shaped, well, I can't find anywhere that Pope Pius Xll thought that he had reason to define the shape of the earth, from what Our Lady said to St. Catherine Laboure.

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  • To me the strongest piece of evidence is the temperature variations and the seasons being consistent with specific tilts of the earth towards the sun.  I also do not understand how flat earth theory is consistent with sun-rise and sun-set being at different times in different parts of the world in a pattern & movement that's consistent with the earth being a globe and the sun revolving around it (yes, I'm a geocentrist).


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  • So Pius Xll bought into the globe earth nonsense. He's wasn't the only one.

    What I find interesting is that while Pope Pius Xll canonized St. Catherine Laboure, he did not use the words of Our Lady (to St. Catherine Laboure) to proclaim that the earth is a globe.

    If Our Lady's message to St. Catherine Laboure was meant to include a definition of how the earth is shaped, well, I can't find anywhere that Pope Pius Xll thought that he had reason to define the shape of the earth, from what Our Lady said to St. Catherine Laboure.
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    Why would Pope Pius XII have to rely on what Our Lady said to define the shape of the globe of the earth? 
    Or why would he even want to define the shape of the earth's globe in the first place? 
    What makes you think it's the pope's job to define the shape of the earth? 
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    Do you expect the pope to proclaim the astronomical coordinates of the moon on the first day of each month?
    Does the pope pronounce definitively on the half-life of plutonium 238?
    Has the pope ever defined the specific gravity of potassium?
    Do you know what would happen if the pope were to attempt to find out what the specific gravity of potassium is?
    How about the world market value of gold -- does the pope proclaim what today's gold price is on the open market?
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    Pope Pius XII didn't need to consult the words of Our Lady to Catherine Laboure in order to define the Assumption.
    Why would he have to rely on what Our Lady said to define the shape of the earth's globe? 
    Or why would he even want to define the shape of the earth in the first place? 
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  • That not a real response. I asked you how Our Lady and Her message have been destroyed, which you have accused flat-earthers of doing. Please provide a REAL response. Not a fake one.
    When one changes definitions they destroy the objective sense of the language.
      
    I will try to explain in detail, in other words, a REAL response. 
     
    This is the main reason why the Catholic church made Latin the official language since it was a dead language meaning words no longer change their meanings over centuries. Avoiding mistakes! 
      
    However along came the wolves in sheep's clothing and suppressed the Latin language making it easier to destroy the true meaning and going so far to even change the meaning of words.  As the elderly died off, the youth just began to accept the new way of thinking because their vernacular language said so.  Also, doublespeak became the avenue of creating "whatever" to suit the different cultures.  Doublespeak means deliberately euphemistic, ambiguous, or obscure language.
    "the art of political doublespeak"
    synonyms:equivocating, evasion, dodging, beating about the bush, pussyfooting (around); 

     
    Now when YOU earlier in this thread and, rightly so YOU requested to see the Blessed Mother's use of Her words in the French language, in order for you to see clearly the word she used, and it was GLOBE.
      
    Furthermore, since your ilk feels he must make up some excuse for the word Blessed Mother spoke be it ball or globe, the changing or adding his idea of, well She must have meant to say "Globe of Creation".  As if that alone means anything in his favor.  If one searches for the world "Globe of Creation" you will come up with images of a globe as Our Lady requested in Her design of which she stands on a globe with dimension, not a flat circle. 
     
    I feel sure that God allowed St. Catherin's body to be incorrupt to prove that the vision she saw, was, in fact, true and from His Mother, the Mother of God.

    As you can see when this debate is argued with the science of it, it means one thing to one person and another to another, but to a Catholic, the message of Our Lady should be all one needs, unless they are Catholic in name only and the Blessed Mother, Her description is faulty since it doesn't conform to their way of looking at things. 

    The science of this debate although interesting for many but it is subjective many parts of it are since the debate continues day after day.  Since this is a Catholic forum I find it strange that Her words are not sufficient for others.  
     
    Hope that helps!  

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  • Sorry, but this is the LEAST compelling piece of "evidence".  As I said, I am currently not flat earth.  This globe is symbolic, in a work of art, and can mean any number of things.
    I agree that the main reason for the apparition was not to define the shape of the earth, but to design the Miraculous Medal, however never the less, the Blessed Mother appeared holding a globe and mentioned a globe, therefore, we Catholic should recognize the earth is a globe.  Period!


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  • To me the strongest piece of evidence is the temperature variations and the seasons being consistent with specific tilts of the earth towards the sun.  I also do not understand how flat earth theory is consistent with sun-rise and sun-set being at different times in different parts of the world in a pattern & movement that's consistent with the earth being a globe and the sun revolving around it (yes, I'm a geocentrist).
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    Flat-earthers have a lot of disagreement over how to account for time zones based on their silly flat-earthism model.
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    Some say that the sun curiously shines with greater range toward the north and south poles.
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    Others say that light travels further toward the north and the south, but deny there is any such thing as a south pole.
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    It is impossible to make a working model of a "flat" earth which exhibits the magnetic field observable on planet earth.
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    However, when a model globe earth is magnetized it works exactly the same way magnetic fields found on the real earth work in fact.
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    Yet others argue that "light doesn't travel forever" and therefore it falls short along the equator, but they can't seem to explain why.
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    There is no agreement among them to explain why the limits of each natural time zone is a meridian line instead of a parallel line.
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    Nor can they give any reasonable use of the word "parallel" for lines that are in their view imaginary concentric circles.
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    They cannot predict the time of sunrise using their model unless they abandon it and use a globe earth model, instead.
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    They cannot predict a solar eclipse or a lunar eclipse either, unless they leave their silly nonsense flat-earthism behind.
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    In fact, all their retarded flatness model is good for is posting its stupid CGI picture on the Internet for retarded readers to enjoy.
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    Oh, by the way, they use CGI all the time while they accuse others of being untruthful for using CGI. 
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    Theirs is a one-way street, IOW do what I say, not what I do.
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  • When one changes definitions they destroy the objective sense of the language.
      
    I will try to explain in detail, in other words, a REAL response.
     
    This is the main reason why the Catholic church made Latin the official language since it was a dead language meaning words no longer change their meanings over centuries. Avoiding mistakes!
      
    However along came the wolves in sheep's clothing and suppressed the Latin language making it easier to destroy the true meaning and going so far to even change the meaning of words.  As the elderly died off, the youth just began to accept the new way of thinking because their vernacular language said so.  Also, doublespeak became the avenue of creating "whatever" to suit the different cultures.  Doublespeak means deliberately euphemistic, ambiguous, or obscure language.
    "the art of political doublespeak"
    synonyms:equivocating, evasion, dodging, beating about the bush, pussyfooting (around);

     
    Now when YOU earlier in this thread and, rightly so YOU requested to see the Blessed Mother's use of Her words in the French language, in order for you to see clearly the word she used, and it was GLOBE.
      
    Furthermore, since your ilk feels he must make up some excuse for the word Blessed Mother spoke be it ball or globe, the changing or adding his idea of, well She must have meant to say "Globe of Creation".  As if that alone means anything in his favor.  If one searches for the world "Globe of Creation" you will come up with images of a globe as Our Lady requested in Her design of which she stands on a globe with dimension, not a flat circle.
     
    I feel sure that God allowed St. Catherin's body to be incorrupt to prove that the vision she saw, was, in fact, true and from His Mother, the Mother of God.

    As you can see when this debate is argued with the science of it, it means one thing to one person and another to another, but to a Catholic, the message of Our Lady should be all one needs, unless they are Catholic in name only and the Blessed Mother, Her description is faulty since it doesn't conform to their way of looking at things.

    The science of this debate although interesting for many but it is subjective many parts of it are since the debate continues day after day.  Since this is a Catholic forum I find it strange that Her words are not sufficient for others.  
     
    Hope that helps!  


    So....you believe that Our Lady's message was to tell the world that the shape of the earth is a globe. Would that be right?

    And since we flat-earthers don't believe that her message was to tell the world that the earth is a globe, then we are destroying Our Lady and Her message. Would that be correct? Is this what you are in effect saying?

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  • Pope Pius XII writing about the "globe." 
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    The image of his handwritten description of the "globe."
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  • So....you believe that Our Lady's message was to tell the world that the shape of the earth is a globe. Would that be right?

    And since we flat-earthers don't believe that her message was to tell the world that the earth is a globe, then we are destroying Our Lady and Her message. Would that be correct? Is this what you are in effect saying?
    I refer you to my note just above this one #42, notice the word "not".

    Just in case you can't find it, I snipped it for you:  click the image below to enlarge it  



     

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