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  • We know that "eat my Flesh and drink my Blood" is literal because the Church teaches us that.  We know descriptions of the physical universe are figurative because the Church teaches us that.

     "To understand how just is the rule here formulated we must remember, first, that the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost "Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation."(53) Hence they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time,"  Providentissimus Deus


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  • We know that "eat my Flesh and drink my Blood" is literal because the Church teaches us that.  We know descriptions of the physical universe are figurative because the Church teaches us that.

    "To understand how just is the rule here formulated we must remember, first, that the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost "Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation."(53) Hence they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time,"  Providentissimus Deus
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    I've lost count of how many times that quote has been posted on FE threads. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • I've lost count of how many times that quote has been posted on FE threads.
    If that is your standard for spam, then Matthew might as well shut down this sub-forum.  Nobody says anything new here.  It is the same argument over and over again.

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  • If that is your standard for spam, then Matthew might as well shut down this sub-forum.  Nobody says anything new here.  It is the same argument over and over again.
    We are easily showing that people who profess themselves to be globe earthers have absolutely no evidence for their Freemason NASA worldview.
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    There are many things about the phases of the moon that demonstrate how the earth's surface is spheroidal.
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    For example:
    -- Everywhere on the earth where the moon is visible, everyone always sees the same phase at the same time.
      There is no exception to this fact.
      But if the earth were "flat," viewers separated by a few thousand miles would always see a DIFFERENT phase.
      That NEVER happens. Therefore, the earth cannot be "flat."
    .
    -- At the first quarter moon and the last quarter moon, at that very hour the moon makes a right triangle with the sun and earth.
      With the moon at the 90 degree corner, we can measure the angle of the earth's corner, which turns out to be 89.6 degrees.
      Since the sum of the three interior angles of any triangle is 180 degrees, that leaves 0.4 degrees for the sun's corner.
      This is a very thin and long triangle, with the earth and moon at one end and the sun at the other end.
      The sun is placed over 300 times further from earth than the moon is from the earth.
      This is impossible on a "flat" earth model, therefore the "flat" earth model is shown to be impossible.
    .
    -- When we look up at the moon from waxing crescent to waning crescent (all except new moon) we see the following:
      The moon's illuminated side always faces the sun. Therefore we can see it's the sun that makes the moon light up.
      Flat-earthers are all in disagreement about this so they have all kinds of silly explanations, like:
      -- The moon is translucent and you can see stars shining through it
          The moon does not shine by the sun's light but is illuminated from inside (somehow but we don't know how).
          The moon is a flat disk not a globe and the phases we see have nothing to do with the sun (?).
          Since none of their silly claims ever amount to a "hill of beans" consequently flat-earthism is relegated to urban legend.
    .
    -- The full moon at midnight is always directly overhead, from any point of view on earth. Therefore:
       We can easily imagine where the sun is located in order to make the moon look this way.
       With the moon overhead at "high noon" position in the sky, the sun must be under our feet on the other side of the earth.
       The moon, earth and sun must be in a straight line in space for us to see the moon "full" as we do in a full moon.
       -- But flat-earthers claim the sun is circling above the "flat" earth and is therefore behind our back, to the north.
           If the sun were where flat-earthers say it is, we ought to see a shadow at the bottom of the moon, not a full moon.
           Since we never see a shadow at the bottom of the moon during full moon, the earth cannot be "flat."      
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    Do you need more examples?
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    From Neil's posts I can see how the obsession with mathematics made the Ancient Greeks go insane and start thinking the earth was round.  Once you go far enough down that road, common sense goes bye bye.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    It's quite revealing that when Ladislaus asked me a straight question (subtly ignoring previous posts that answered it) and I provided a direct answer to his question, he then disappeared. He did not respond to my answer, making me think that since his query was squarely addressed he abandoned that feigned attack and chose to re-group so as to look elsewhere.
    .
    But the other member, above, while managing to reply to it, still offered nothing of substance but instead chose to reply with a typically cheap ad-hominem, instead of something constructive to the discussion at hand.
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    There are many things about the phases of the moon that demonstrate how the earth's surface is spheroidal.
    .
    For example:
    -- Everywhere on the earth where the moon is visible, everyone always sees the same phase at the same time.
       There is no exception to this fact.
       But if the earth were "flat," viewers separated by a few thousand miles would always see a DIFFERENT phase.
       That NEVER happens. Therefore, the earth cannot be "flat."
    .
    -- At the first quarter moon and the last quarter moon, at that very hour the moon makes a right triangle with the sun and earth.
       With the moon at the 90 degree corner, we can measure the angle of the earth's corner, which turns out to be 89.6 degrees.
       Since the sum of the three interior angles of any triangle is 180 degrees, that leaves 0.4 degrees for the sun's corner.
       This is a very thin and long triangle, with the earth and moon at one end and the sun at the other end.
       The sun is placed over 300 times further from earth than the moon is from the earth.
       This is impossible on a "flat" earth model, therefore the "flat" earth model is shown to be impossible.
    .
    -- When we look up at the moon from waxing crescent to waning crescent (all except new moon) we see the following:
       The moon's illuminated side always faces the sun. Therefore we can see it's the sun that makes the moon light up.
       Flat-earthers are all in disagreement about this so they have all kinds of silly explanations, like:
      -- The moon is translucent and you can see stars shining through it
      -- The moon does not shine by the sun's light but is illuminated from inside (somehow but we don't know how)
      -- The moon is a flat disk not a globe and the phases we see have nothing to do with the sun (?)
    .
    Since none of their silly claims ever amount to a "hill of beans" consequently, flat-earthism is relegated to urban legend.
    .
    -- The full moon at midnight is always directly overhead, from any point of view on earth. Therefore:
      We can easily imagine where the sun is located in order to make the moon look this way.
      With the moon overhead at "high noon" position in the sky, the sun must be under our feet on the other side of the earth.
      The moon, earth and sun must be in a straight line in space for us to see the moon "full" as we do in a full moon.
      -- But flat-earthers claim the sun is circling above the "flat" earth and is therefore behind our back, to the north.
          If the sun were where flat-earthers say it is, we ought to see a shadow at the bottom of the moon, not a full moon.
          Since we never see a shadow at the bottom of the moon during full moon, the earth cannot be "flat."      
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    Do you need more examples?
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    It's quite revealing that when Ladislaus asked me a straight question (subtly ignoring previous posts that answered it) and I provided a direct answer to his question, he then disappeared. He did not respond to my answer, making me think that since his query was squarely addressed he abandoned that feigned attack and chose to re-group so as to look elsewhere.
    .
    But the other member, above, while managing to reply to it, still offered nothing of substance but instead chose to reply with a typically cheap ad-hominem, instead of something constructive to the discussion at hand.
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    There are many things about the phases of the moon that demonstrate how the earth's surface is spheroidal.
    .
    For example:
    -- Everywhere on the earth where the moon is visible, everyone always sees the same phase at the same time.
      There is no exception to this fact.
      But if the earth were "flat," viewers separated by a few thousand miles would always see a DIFFERENT phase.
      That NEVER happens. Therefore, the earth cannot be "flat."
    .
    -- At the first quarter moon and the last quarter moon, at that very hour the moon makes a right triangle with the sun and earth.
      With the moon at the 90 degree corner, we can measure the angle of the earth's corner, which turns out to be 89.6 degrees.
      Since the sum of the three interior angles of any triangle is 180 degrees, that leaves 0.4 degrees for the sun's corner.
      This is a very thin and long triangle, with the earth and moon at one end and the sun at the other end.
      The sun is placed over 300 times further from earth than the moon is from the earth.
      This is impossible on a "flat" earth model, therefore the "flat" earth model is shown to be impossible.
    .
    -- When we look up at the moon from waxing crescent to waning crescent (all except new moon) we see the following:
      The moon's illuminated side always faces the sun. Therefore we can see it's the sun that makes the moon light up.
      Flat-earthers are all in disagreement about this so they have all kinds of silly explanations, like:
     -- The moon is translucent and you can see stars shining through it
     -- The moon does not shine by the sun's light but is illuminated from inside (somehow but we don't know how)
     -- The moon is a flat disk not a globe and the phases we see have nothing to do with the sun (?)
    .
    Since none of their silly claims ever amount to a "hill of beans" consequently, flat-earthism is relegated to urban legend.
    .
    -- The full moon at midnight is always directly overhead, from any point of view on earth. Therefore:
     We can easily imagine where the sun is located in order to make the moon look this way.
     With the moon overhead at "high noon" position in the sky, the sun must be under our feet on the other side of the earth.
     The moon, earth and sun must be in a straight line in space for us to see the moon "full" as we do in a full moon.
     -- But flat-earthers claim the sun is circling above the "flat" earth and is therefore behind our back, to the north.
         If the sun were where flat-earthers say it is, we ought to see a shadow at the bottom of the moon, not a full moon.
         Since we never see a shadow at the bottom of the moon during full moon, the earth cannot be "flat."      
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    Do you need more examples?
    .
    The phases of the moon work perfectly on the flat earth and you haven't proven otherwise.  This entire argument is worthless.  Earth is not a sphere because the land mass doesn't curve and water cannot encompass a globe.  Until you address these, you're argument amounts to nothing because the moon is a separate body and has no bearing on the flatness of earth.  


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    The phases of the moon work perfectly on the flat earth and you haven't proven otherwise.  This entire argument is worthless.  
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    Provide some image or model of your "flat" earth that depicts the way we see phases of the moon.
    Or are you still hanging on to the falsehood that you don't need any "model?"
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    Trying to change the subject isn't going to work.
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    Take the first item, for starters, if you can handle it:
    There are many things about the phases of the moon that demonstrate how the earth's surface is spheroidal.
    .
    For example:
    -- Everywhere on the earth where the moon is visible, everyone always sees the same phase at the same time.
      There is no exception to this fact.
      But if the earth were "flat," viewers separated by a few thousand miles would always see a DIFFERENT phase.
      That NEVER happens. Therefore, the earth cannot be "flat."
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    Provide some image or model of your "flat" earth that depicts the way we see phases of the moon.
    Or are you still hanging on to the falsehood that you don't need any "model?"
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    Trying to change the subject isn't going to work.
    .
    Take the first item, for starters, if you can handle it:
    There are many things about the phases of the moon that demonstrate how the earth's surface is spheroidal.
    .
    For example:
    -- Everywhere on the earth where the moon is visible, everyone always sees the same phase at the same time.
     There is no exception to this fact.
     But if the earth were "flat," viewers separated by a few thousand miles would always see a DIFFERENT phase.
     That NEVER happens. Therefore, the earth cannot be "flat."
    Nothing about the phases of the moon suggest the earth is a sphere, no matter how many times you say it.  Saying it doesn't prove anything.  Quoting globalists doesn't prove anything either.  Saying that it is necessary to see a different phase on different sides of the earth is silly and is a claim unfounded because you have not proven that phases are affected by that criteria to the exclusion of flat earth.  You only claim it.  Calling me stupid won't affect anything either because you still haven't proven your case.   

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    Provide some image or model of your "flat" earth that depicts the way we see phases of the moon.
    Or are you still hanging on to the falsehood that you don't need any "model?"
    .
    Trying to change the subject isn't going to work.
    .
    Take the first item, for starters, if you can handle it:
    There are many things about the phases of the moon that demonstrate how the earth's surface is spheroidal.
    .
    For example:
    -- Everywhere on the earth where the moon is visible, everyone always sees the same phase at the same time.
     There is no exception to this fact.
     But if the earth were "flat," viewers separated by a few thousand miles would always see a DIFFERENT phase.
     That NEVER happens. Therefore, the earth cannot be "flat."

    What you are describing only says something about the distances between the two observers compared with the distance between the observers and the moon, not about the shape of the earth between them. For once, I agree with the broken clocks: the shape of the earth has no influence on the phases of the moon we see. A simple picture would demonstrate this but I can't be bothered anymore with this Flatulent Earth nonsense. There's ample proof that the earth is not flat, but there's also ample fools who don't care about proof.

    I just happened to see this post and couldn't resist :)

    Have fun!


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    What you are describing only says something about the distances between the two observers compared with the distance between the observers and the moon, not about the shape of the earth between them. For once, I agree with the broken clocks: the shape of the earth has no influence on the phases of the moon we see. A simple picture would demonstrate this but I can't be bothered anymore with this Flatulent Earth nonsense. There's ample proof that the earth is not flat, but there's also ample fools who don't care about proof.

    I just happened to see this post and couldn't resist :)

    Have fun!
    What you are describing says nothing at all.  In fact, the shape of the earth is reality.  And as such, it matters.  Calling it flatulent earth doesn't change anything, but proves you are unwilling to do the work to prove your case.

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    Quote from: Samuel on April 11, 2018, 01:52:24 PM
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    What you are describing only says something about the distances between the two observers compared with the distance between the observers and the moon, not about the shape of the earth between them. For once, I agree with the broken clocks: the shape of the earth has no influence on the phases of the moon we see. A simple picture would demonstrate this but I can't be bothered anymore with this Flatulent Earth nonsense. There's ample proof that the earth is not flat, but there's also ample fools who don't care about proof.

    I just happened to see this post and couldn't resist

    Have fun!

    What you are describing says nothing at all.  In fact, the shape of the earth is reality.  And as such, it matters.  Calling it flatulent earth doesn't change anything, but proves you are unwilling to do the work to prove your case.
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    The shape of the earth is reality, true, and that reality is demonstrably spheroid.
    Flatulent earth evokes the odor of heresy, by the way.
    Stinky lies, putrid fallacy, pernicious falsehood.
    Flat-earthism is all that and more. It leaves you....... well,,,,,,, flat.  ::)
    Being a flat-earther must be like living face-down flat in a sewer, but I wouldn't know about that.
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    If it "matters" then you ought to get a builder's level and someone who knows how to use it (you probably can't) and climb to a high mountaintop like I have and see for yourself.
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    Mount Whitney is only a one-day hike. Lots of fun.
    Go enjoy yourself, and come back cured of your illness.
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    What you are describing says nothing at all.  In fact, the shape of the earth is reality.  And as such, it matters.  Calling it flatulent earth doesn't change anything, but proves you are unwilling to do the work to prove your case.

    .
    The shape of the earth is reality, true, and that reality is demonstrably spheroid.
    Flatulent earth evokes the odor of heresy, by the way.
    Stinky lies, putrid fallacy, pernicious falsehood.
    Flat-earthism is all that and more. It leaves you....... well,,,,,,, flat.  ::)
    Being a flat-earther must be like living face-down flat in a sewer, but I wouldn't know about that.
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    If it "matters" then you ought to get a builder's level and someone who knows how to use it (you probably can't) and climb to a high mountaintop like I have and see for yourself.
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    Mount Whitney is only a one-day hike. Lots of fun.
    Go enjoy yourself, and come back cured of your illness.
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    You have no proof for a single thing you said.  True science proves what Scripture has described all along and what the Fathers of the Church have said.  Earth is flat. Everything you claim about the globe is provided by NASA, the globalist elite, and pagan science. 
    Take a hike yourself.   

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    You have no proof for a single thing you said.  True science proves what Scripture has described all along and what the Fathers of the Church have said.  Earth is flat. Everything you claim about the globe is provided by NASA, the globalist elite, and pagan science.  
    Take a hike yourself.  
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    Wrong, wrong, wrong. 
    The proof is everywhere we look. But you refuse to look.
    Science is true if it describes experiment that can be repeated by anyone.
    The experiments I have described you have maligned as though I'm referring to black magic or whatever.
    You are allergic to correct thinking, for whatever reason. Probably flatulism. I don't know.
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    Scripture has no part of the discussion. The Bible is not a science book.
    The Bible says nothing about computers so are they impossible?
    The Bible doesn't mention nuclear energy so is it somehow unreal?
    The Bible has no electric trains or nitroglycerin or TNT or full synthetic motor oil, so are those fake too?
    What about submarines? 
    There is not a single mention of submarines or radio or ultraviolet radiation in Scripture.
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    Who cares about NASA? You keep harping about NASA. Get a grip already. Who cares?
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