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Offline Truth is Eternal

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  • And yet aren't you opposed to advocates of FE in showing that the Church Fathers also believed in a flat earth? Were the Church Fathers gnostics as well? What about the ancient Hebrews who based a flat earth on Genesis? Were they gnostics, too?

    It's true that most people are ignorant of FE, but that doesn't mean that FE is some sort of secret knowledge.

    Keep in mind, too, that gnostics generally believe that that matter is evil. You'd have difficulty in finding a flat-earther who believes that matter is evil.

    We believe that God created the earth, and as such it cannot be evil.
    Neil Obstat acts as if the flat earth is some sort of hidden knowledge because he doesn't want to conform to the flat earth belief, even though he know that God created the flat earth.

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  • For what it's worth, I"m sure we all believe St Francis Xavier is in heaven... IMO, this thread is redundant.


    They[Japanese] did not know that the world is round, they knew nothing of the course of the sun and stars, so that when they asked us and we explained to them these and other like things, such as the causes of comets, of the lightning and of rain, they listened to us most eagerly, and appeared delighted to hear us, regarding us with profound respect as extremely learned persons. This idea of our great knowledge opened the way to us for sowing the seed of religion in their minds. . . .

    Since they didn't know it was round, they must have believed it was flat??

    Life and Letters of St Francis Xavier


    http://www.classzone.com/books/wh_05_shared/pdf/WHS05_019_546_PS.pdf
    THAT IS SO EASY TO FLATTEN :fryingpan: YOU!

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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

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    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

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    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.



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  • It would seem Jaynek had whiskey in her coffee this morning.
    Doesn't everybody do that on Epiphany?   :cheers:

    (Look at me so desperate for a straight line that I'm even responding to Smedley.  :o  )

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  • That was hilarious Jaynek, thanks for the laugh.  :cheers:

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    Flat-earthers practice gnosticism for the simple reason that they refuse to observe the reality available for all to see without any special apparatus or telescope, by simply observing the phases of the moon.
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    They won't dare look at the moon and they won't dare think about what they see because to them their sacred calf ideology is more precious than the truth. They have made flat-earthism into a false god, and they'll defend it to their death, apparently.
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    The martyrs refused to burn incense to false gods and thereby died as martyrs.
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    Would flat-earthers do the same for their flat-earthism?
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    Perhaps they would, and in so doing they would then believe they were dying for the truth. How ironic.
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    Flat-earthers practice gnosticism for the simple reason that they refuse to observe the reality available for all to see without any special apparatus or telescope, by simply observing the phases of the moon.
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    They won't dare look at the moon and they won't dare think about what they see because to them their sacred calf ideology is more precious than the truth. They have made flat-earthism into a false god, and they'll defend it to their death, apparently.
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    The martyrs refused to burn incense to false gods and thereby died as martyrs.
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    Would flat-earthers do the same for their flat-earthism?
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    Perhaps they would, and in so doing they would then believe they were dying for the truth. How ironic.
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

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    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

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    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

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  • Defining "round" is redundant.

    It is irrelevant what notion the Japanese had of the earth or what St Francis told them. In order to find salvation the Japanese need to accept the Catholic faith that he preached.
    Of course they did. But if shape of earth was irrelevant why bring it up?

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    Flat-earthers, in fact, display all the symptoms of gnosticism.
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    They refuse to observe the moon in its phases which everyone can see every month.
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    They repeatedly pander the same falsehoods over and over, even when they're shown to be falsehoods.
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    They adhere blindly to their false doctrine and ignore the facts presented to them.
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    There are words of Our Lord which apply directly to them.
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    "Wherefore he saith: Rise thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead: and Christ shall enlighten thee."
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    The Church has never demanded that we ignore what we see with our eyes.
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    But nonetheless, flat-earthers refuse to look at the moon and recognize the truth of what they see.
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    And what pray tell do The Phases of The Moon Prove Neil??  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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  • The Baptist Evangelist, Ken Hovind, singlehandedly converted thousands and thousands of dye hard Atheistic men, women and children to faith in Christ, by debunking The General Theory of Evolution, from a Biblical and albeit Protestant perspective (proving once again that God can bring good out of evil).  

    So, you have no idea how God will use the current revival in Geocentric-Flat Earth thinking.  
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    Does your hero, Ken Hovind, believe the earth is "flat?"
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    .Quote from: WholeTradFoods on December 24, 2017, 01:20:32 PM
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    The Baptist Evangelist, Ken Hovind, singlehandedly converted thousands and thousands of dye hard Atheistic men, women and children to faith in Christ, by debunking The General Theory of Evolution, from a Biblical and albeit Protestant perspective (proving once again that God can bring good out of evil).  

    So, you have no idea how God will use the current revival in Geocentric-Flat Earth thinking.  
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    Does your hero, Kent Hovind, believe the earth is "flat?"
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    BTW His name is Kent Hovind.
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    Flat-earthers practice gnosticism ...

    No they don't.  We've gone through this before.


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  • I don't follow the argument about the moon phases either.  Could you try to summarize it in a couple sentences?  What does it prove?  Perhaps leave out all the fluff and the pictures.

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  • I don't follow the argument about the moon phases either.  Could you try to summarize it in a couple sentences?  What does it prove?  Perhaps leave out all the fluff and the pictures.
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    There are many things about the phases of the moon that demonstrate how the earth's surface is spheroidal.
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    For example:
    -- Everywhere on the earth where the moon is visible, everyone always sees the same phase at the same time.
      There is no exception to this fact.
      But if the earth were "flat," viewers separated by a few thousand miles would always see a DIFFERENT phase.
      That NEVER happens. Therefore, the earth cannot be "flat."
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    -- At the first quarter moon and the last quarter moon, at that very hour the moon makes a right triangle with the sun and earth.
      With the moon at the 90 degree corner, we can measure the angle of the earth's corner, which turns out to be 89.6 degrees.
      Since the sum of the three interior angles of any triangle is 180 degrees, that leaves 0.4 degrees for the sun's corner.
      This is a very thin and long triangle, with the earth and moon at one end and the sun at the other end.
      The sun is placed over 300 times further from earth than the moon is from the earth.
      This is impossible on a "flat" earth model, therefore the "flat" earth model is shown to be impossible.
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    -- When we look up at the moon from waxing crescent to waning crescent (all except new moon) we see the following:
      The moon's illuminated side always faces the sun. Therefore we can see it's the sun that makes the moon light up.
      Flat-earthers are all in disagreement about this so they have all kinds of silly explanations, like:
      -- The moon is translucent and you can see stars shining through it
          The moon does not shine by the sun's light but is illuminated from inside (somehow but we don't know how).
          The moon is a flat disk not a globe and the phases we see have nothing to do with the sun (?).
          Since none of their silly claims ever amount to a "hill of beans" consequently flat-earthism is relegated to urban legend.
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    -- The full moon at midnight is always directly overhead, from any point of view on earth. Therefore:
       We can easily imagine where the sun is located in order to make the moon look this way.
       With the moon overhead at "high noon" position in the sky, the sun must be under our feet on the other side of the earth.
       The moon, earth and sun must be in a straight line in space for us to see the moon "full" as we do in a full moon.
       -- But flat-earthers claim the sun is circling above the "flat" earth and is therefore behind our back, to the north.
           If the sun were where flat-earthers say it is, we ought to see a shadow at the bottom of the moon, not a full moon.
           Since we never see a shadow at the bottom of the moon during full moon, the earth cannot be "flat."       
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    Do you need more examples?
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