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Offline Smedley Butler

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Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
« Reply #390 on: January 01, 2018, 11:30:11 AM »
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    • Your ball "tent" is laughable. How do you walk in that anyway?
    Come back when you have something legitimate to contribute. 
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #391 on: January 01, 2018, 11:32:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on January 01, 2018, 11:03:38 AM
    Man you are awesome...I really must be a dope...I guess you are smart than 99.99999999999% of the rest of population  Ok so you are saying if you believe in globe earth and it tendencies you will end up believing that God doesn't care about us and we will drop any faith.  Sounds serious...so going back to question number two

    "If it is truly Catholic to teach flat earth as implied by all the righteous posts, then what is the name of you priest/order/sect that teaches flat earth?  SSPX/Ex-SSPX/OMLC/SSPV/Whatever anyone?....IF this is such a fundamental issue that you the need to condemn and insult, what's the name of a single traditional priest that warns souls away from global earth thoughts?  Why isn't it in the Baltimore Catechism?."
    Don't know. 
    Why don't you ask them?
    They received the same indoctrination you did.
    The faithful made it before the priests did.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #392 on: January 01, 2018, 11:38:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 01, 2018, 11:32:44 AM
    Don't know.
    Why don't you ask them?
    They received the same indoctrination you did.
    The faithful made it before the priests did.
    Just to clarify boss, what did you mean that the faithful made it before the priest did?
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #393 on: January 01, 2018, 11:40:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on January 01, 2018, 08:45:13 AM
    Hey Meg, this is the kind of garbage I'm talking about. "Maybe Jaynek is a Freemason"?? When one is a Dogmatic Flatearther and believes that one cannot be saved without the hidden knowledge of the shape of the Earth, one says things like this all willy-nilly with no proof. Just blind hatred spewing out of their mouths.
    I think that one could make a case that these Dogmatic Flatearthers are actually Gnostics. They are claiming this knowledge is from Scripture, but Scripture makes no mention of it. It's all a ruse to distract us from beneficial Church Teaching that will actually aid us spiritually.

    Ha! that's really rich, coming from you, since you regularly call forum members heretics if they don't agree with your sede "truth."

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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #394 on: January 01, 2018, 11:45:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on January 01, 2018, 11:38:14 AM
    Just to clarify boss, what did you mean that the faithful made it before the priest did?
    Meaning the faithful found their way out of 500 years of globe indoctrination before the priests. 
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #395 on: January 01, 2018, 12:04:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 01, 2018, 11:45:36 AM
    Meaning the faithful found their way out of 500 years of globe indoctrination before the priests.
    ok thank you for clarifying, that's what I thought you meant, but wanted to make sure.  What you are saying is that the 50 of you traditional Catholics in the entire world that have broken through the 500 years of indoctrination.  There are no traditional priests or priestly groups that preach the flat earth or the dangers of a globe yet.  Without the help of the Church or any single priest who has had 500 years of indoctrination, you and TiE have determined that the purpose of this vast globular conspiracy is to lead souls to hell, and those that believe the earth is a globe is a pagan, blasphemer, heretic, freemason, and over not a real Catholic.  Alright, when you find a traditional clergyman to back up your accusations, let me know.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #396 on: January 01, 2018, 12:10:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: kiwiboy on December 31, 2017, 01:48:35 PM
    Good work Meg. With this and other quotes, we can definitely close in on Jaynek and expose her pertinacity.

    Yes, Jayne doesn't want Scripture to have anything to do with the natural sciences. And apparently, the Modernists don't want the Catholic faith involved in science. So there's something in common there.

    Pope St. Pius X wrote (to reiterate) in Pascendi, regarding the belief of the Modernists and science:

    "Thus the conclusion is reached that there can never be any dissention between faith and science, for if each keeps to its own ground they can never meet and therefore be in contradiction."

    I think that the above quote is important, because if science and faith are separate, they cannot be in contradiction, such as, for example, in the teaching of the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution (now an accepted "truth" by many in the world) contradicts the Catholic faith and scripture. But if science is separate, it doesn't really seem to matter if the contradiction exists. And that's how modernism works - on contradiction and ambiguity.

    Maybe a similar error exists in relation to the separation of Church and state. If they are separate, then any contradiction won't matter so much. Church and state are separate, and the Church does not any longer inform the state (as it used to outside of the U.S.), so when there's a contradiction, it's supposedly okay.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #397 on: January 01, 2018, 12:22:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on January 01, 2018, 12:04:07 PM
    ok thank you for clarifying, that's what I thought you meant, but wanted to make sure.  What you are saying is that the 50 of you traditional Catholics in the entire world that have broken through the 500 years of indoctrination.  There are no traditional priests or priestly groups that preach the flat earth or the dangers of a globe yet.  Without the help of the Church or any single priest who has had 500 years of indoctrination, you and TiE have determined that the purpose of this vast globular conspiracy is to lead souls to hell, and those that believe the earth is a globe is a pagan, blasphemer, heretic, freemason, and over not a real Catholic.  Alright, when you find a traditional clergyman to back up your accusations, let me know.

    How many traditional Catholic priests are going to agree with you that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a good thing? 
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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #398 on: January 01, 2018, 12:42:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on January 01, 2018, 10:52:07 AM
    Spherical tent

    :laugh1:

    I am not hostile to flat earth, but this is funny.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #399 on: January 01, 2018, 12:47:35 PM »
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    • No Catholic priest would say that.  This has nothing to do with me. That's changing to subject, though.  I don't have a dog in this race, but these two guys are making some severe claims, accusations, and condemnations of other Catholics.  
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #400 on: January 01, 2018, 12:49:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on January 01, 2018, 12:47:35 PM
    No Catholic priest would say that.  This has nothing to do with me. That's changing to subject, though.  I don't have a dog in this race, but these two guys are making some severe claims, accusations, and condemnations of other Catholics.  

    No, not changing the subject. You pointed out that there aren't any traditional Catholic priests who support FE. Which is true. But why would numbers really matter so much to you? They don't support your Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ religion either, right?
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #401 on: January 01, 2018, 12:53:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 01, 2018, 12:42:45 PM
    :laugh1:

    I am not hostile to flat earth, but this is funny.

    That is funny.

    I have to wonder what the Jews of the O.T. would have used a tent like that for - given that God would usually use terminology that the Jews could relate to somehow.

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    « Reply #402 on: January 01, 2018, 01:04:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on January 01, 2018, 01:03:31 PM
    Be careful...your Dogmatic Flatearthyism is showing again. Rein it in.

    Rein it in? That's funny, too. 
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #403 on: January 01, 2018, 01:18:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on January 01, 2018, 01:03:31 PM
    Be careful...your Dogmatic Flatearthyism is showing again. Rein it in.

    On second thought, may I ask you about what it is that I said in my post to Rough Ashlar that bothered you?
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #404 on: January 01, 2018, 01:19:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 01, 2018, 12:10:14 PM
    Yes, Jayne doesn't want Scripture to have anything to do with the natural sciences. And apparently, the Modernists don't want the Catholic faith involved in science. So there's something in common there.

    Pope St. Pius X wrote (to reiterate) in Pascendi, regarding the belief of the Modernists and science:

    "Thus the conclusion is reached that there can never be any dissention between faith and science, for if each keeps to its own ground they can never meet and therefore be in contradiction."

    I think that the above quote is important, because if science and faith are separate, they cannot be in contradiction, such as, for example, in the teaching of the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution (now an accepted "truth" by many in the world) contradicts the Catholic faith and scripture. But if science is separate, it doesn't really seem to matter if the contradiction exists. And that's how modernism works - on contradiction and ambiguity.
    I do not believe nor have I stated the idea condemned in Pascendi.  I have been quoting or paraphrasing Providentissimus Deus ("the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost "Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation) and mean exactly what Pope Leo XIII means by it.

    I believe it is quite possible for Scripture and/or the Church to teach on science when it is relevant to faith and/or salvation.  The 1633 condemnation of heliocentrism (which I have already stated I believe to be right and well-justified) and the encyclical Humani Generis are examples of such teaching.  I have been objecting to the flat earthers interpreting Scripture in violation of Catholic principles, not saying that faith and science must be kept separate. 

    Meg has read a meaning into my words that was never intended, much like she does when she reads Scripture.
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