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Offline Truth is Eternal

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To Prove a flat earth theory to be fact?
HOLY BIBLE scripture is the single most compelling piece of evidence for God having created the flat earth. :incense:

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/god's-flat-earth-in-scripture/










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What Do Flat-Earthers Believe?  ................. Who cares?  :laugh1:  :laugh2:  :laugh1:  :laugh2: 
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Equivalent question:
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What do Moslems believe about the shape of the earth?
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(Just KIDDING)
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Answer:  WHO CARES?!
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Let's see, "Truth is Eternal" or St. Basil and St. Augustine's opinion on whether Scripture speaks of such things. I'll go with real Catholics on this one.
Notice that St. Augustine does not mention a heliocentric model? Yet there was still much discussion about this in his day.
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He thinks the discussion of shape is unimportant back then. Perhaps if he was in today's time, where the error of heliocentrism has led to total Godlessness, he might think it more important.

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I'm sure if St. Augustine were alive today he would be much more concerned with actual errors rather than the shape of the Earth, which doesn't even fall within the realm of Salvific importance.
It is really something how you can read God's mind! WOW!

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"God's mind" has been revealed to us through Scripture and Tradition. It is then taught to us by the Church. You cannot not claim that FE is part of Divine Revelation when the Church has never even once mentioned it as something revealed. On top of all that, at least two Fathers, which I quoted, explicitly say that it was NOT revealed by God. This is pretty strong evidence which you are choosing to ignore or disbelieve.
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
 
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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  • That's a tough question to answer!  I'd think of two things:  one the level and two perspective.  

    All these people go out and use zoom lenses to look across a body of water and find that they can see all the way across a lake or far out into the ocean.   Of course, if the Earth was curved, then they shouldn't be able to see that far.  In regards to the level, the other thing was the shear drop of it.  Our Earth is supposed to have a diameter of about 8 thousand miles and a circumference of about 25 thousand miles.  So, traveling from the North Pole to the Equator should be about 6 thousand miles and the traveler should experience a drop of about 4 thousand miles or a drop of 8 inches per foot traveled.  We of course experience no such thing!  It would be like living on a staircase!  Now I'm told that I shouldn't notice that, because I'm like an ant on a beach ball.  Well, I've traveled to the Equator.  Why didn't I fall off the ball?  I'm told that's because of Gravity.  O.k., if Gravity is real, then a 100 lbs of lead should attract more dust, then a newspaper.  However, in my experience, a newspaper attracts just as much dust as 100 lbs of lead or even 1000 lbs.  The idea that Gravity can hold a cruise ship to the carribbean, but I can easily walk around that ship seems fantastic (like fantasy).  

    The second thing that really got me was Perspective.  It was pointed out to me that a telephone pole not far away looked like it was only a few inches tall.  Of course, the telephone pole handn't got any shorter;  it was just my perspective.  The telephone pole I stood next to still looked very tall!  So, Perspective created an illusion of roundness or curvature.  





     
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  • I'm sure if St. Augustine were alive today he would be much more concerned with actual errors rather than the shape of the Earth, which doesn't even fall within the realm of Salvific importance.
    This issue is important to salvation. One of the most effective lies of the enemy, to lead people away from God, is the lie of evolution. This lie requires additional lies in order to appear to be true. Some of these additional lies are: earth that is billions of years old (disputing the Word of God), a sun-centered universe (a masonic, sun-worshipping lie), and globe theory (historically pushed by freemasons and currently pushed by the freemasonic NASA).
    Most of what people believe to be true about the weak globe theory is based on the admittedly faked images of the Big Blue Ball, the faked moon landing, and the psy op that marginalizes the truth that the earth is actually as described in Genesis, and as explained by the Church Fathers.
    What do you think the Bible means by "the firmament"?
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  • What do you think the Bible means by "the firmament"?

    Good question.

    For some here, they seem to believe that we cannot say what it specifically means, because it's supposed to mean whatever anybody wants it to mean. It wouldn't be fair, for instance, to those who want to interpret it in a modernist, humanist manner. In other words, we can't attach a specific meaning, or it might hurt the feelings of those who don't agree. This is Vatican ll type of thinking. Don't be specific. Be ambiguous.

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  • Good question.

    For some here, they seem to believe that we cannot say what it specifically means, because it's supposed to mean whatever anybody wants it to mean. It wouldn't be fair, for instance, to those who want to interpret it in a modernist, humanist manner. In other words, we can't attach a specific meaning, or it might hurt the feelings of those who don't agree. This is Vatican ll type of thinking. Don't be specific. Be ambiguous.
    That's hilarious!   :laugh2:
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  • To Prove a flat earth theory to be fact?
    HOLY BIBLE scripture is the single most compelling piece of evidence for God having created the flat earth. :incense:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/god's-flat-earth-in-scripture/

    To me that's by far the weakest.  Scripture could easily be using various terms metaphorically or in non-scientific ways.

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  • Good question.

    For some here, they seem to believe that we cannot say what it specifically means, because it's supposed to mean whatever anybody wants it to mean. It wouldn't be fair, for instance, to those who want to interpret it in a modernist, humanist manner. In other words, we can't attach a specific meaning, or it might hurt the feelings of those who don't agree. This is Vatican ll type of thinking. Don't be specific. Be ambiguous.
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    If you'd like to believe what your Bible says, then read what it says about the firmament.
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    Mine says the firmament is considered all that is above the earth until the nearest stars. Therefore the firmament includes, but is not limited to the earth's atmosphere. The firmament would therefore contain the Van Allen belts, the asteroid belts, the other nearby planets, and so on. For the authors of the Bible what is in the firmament was beyond their reach and they had no way of going up there to see what they might find. They were writing about a mystery of God that they could not explore or travel to nor did they understand it, so they simply took God's word for it, as to its effects, like keeping water back (which is something clouds do even today, and clouds are part of the atmosphere and therefore part of the firmament).
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    All you have to do is step outside on a clear night and look at the full moon at midnight.
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    But for flat-earthers, that's too much work.
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    They'd rather read the Book of Enoch, SAY they're reading Scripture, but forget to mention that the Book of Enoch is not Scripture.
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    Instead of looking at the full moon with their own eyes, they prefer to "believe" what is found in the Book of Enoch (not in Scripture).
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  • That's a tough question to answer!  
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    Yes, it's very difficult to answer because the flat-earthers don't have an answer. 
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    They have no answer because there is no answer.
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