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Title: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 10, 2017, 04:03:56 PM
Welcome to the party, friend!
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 10, 2017, 04:28:15 PM
Welcome to the party, friend!
Well thank you... nice for you to invite me!  :cowboy:
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 10, 2017, 08:01:49 PM

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Welcome to the party, friend!
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It's great to be here! Hey, wait a minute. Nobody told me it was a costume party!
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 10, 2017, 08:34:51 PM
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It's great to be here! Hey, wait a minute. Nobody told me it was a costume party!
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Take your globe earth mask off; you know the earth is flat. :P
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 10, 2017, 10:19:33 PM
Take your globe earth mask off; you know the earth is flat. :P
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This is your brain:
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This is your brain on drugs: 
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
No, not as such; no, thank you.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 10:23:59 PM
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This is your brain:
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This is your brain on drugs:
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My brain looks delectable...
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 10, 2017, 10:25:03 PM
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I thought Lastdays would show up here at the party but it looks like she got cold feet...............
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 10, 2017, 10:32:47 PM
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I thought Lastdays would show up here at the party but it looks like she got cold feet...............
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It's about at this point in the movie where stereotypical black folks make some sort of reference to the strangeness of stereotypical white folks, based on the assumption that "if it's weird, then it must be white."
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: happenby on October 11, 2017, 10:15:57 AM
Welcome, all flat earthers.   
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Ladislaus on October 11, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
I keep an open mind.  Currently not a flat earther, but always open to seeing new evidence.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 11, 2017, 12:41:16 PM
I keep an open mind.  Currently not a flat earther, but always open to seeing new evidence.
Good for you, Ladislaus!

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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 11, 2017, 12:53:41 PM
On "open minds (https://www.chesterton.org/open-mind/)"...
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 11, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
On "open minds (https://www.chesterton.org/open-mind/)"...

And this is deplorable's "open mind" to things not so "solid..."

(https://images.enca.com/enca/WEB_PHOTO_drowning_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 11, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
And this is deplorable's "open mind" to things not so "solid..."

(https://images.enca.com/enca/WEB_PHOTO_drowning_0.jpg)
Look at this picture you posted with the flat earth horizon in the background; you must be a flat earther.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 12, 2017, 07:50:04 AM
Look at this picture you posted with the flat earth horizon in the background; you must be a flat earther.
Brilliant!
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There it is for all to see, that pesky flat and horizontal horizon.
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WHERE IS DA CURVATURE? WHERE??
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 12, 2017, 04:12:38 PM
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It's so funny, you've made a whole thread in honor of a hit-and-run member and the member doesn't even bother to show up.
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:laugh1:     :laugh2:     :laugh1:     :laugh2:
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 12, 2017, 04:15:51 PM
Brilliant!
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There it is for all to see, that pesky flat and horizontal horizon.
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WHERE IS DA CURVATURE? WHERE??
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Diabolical disorientation demonstration! When a flat-earther says "brilliant" what he means is "retarded."
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Retarded! 
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Now, THAT makes sense.   ;)
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 12, 2017, 06:23:41 PM
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Diabolical disorientation demonstration! When a flat-earther says "brilliant" what he means is "retarded."
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Retarded!
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Now, THAT makes sense.   ;)
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Your really trying to bend that one. ;)
The horizontal horizon is still horizontal; the earth is still flat.  ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Student of Qi on October 12, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
Look at this picture you posted with the flat earth horizon in the background; you must be a flat earther.
I'm pretty sure it's CGI...
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 12, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
I'm pretty sure it's CGI...
He's using reverse psychology. ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 14, 2017, 01:19:35 AM
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Still no Lastdays?
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She wasn't kidding. Those WERE her last days.
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I hope she's okay...........................  :-[
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: happenby on October 14, 2017, 10:59:34 AM
I'm pretty sure it's CGI...
Oh sure, but NASA's are real, right?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Student of Qi on October 14, 2017, 12:59:42 PM
Oh sure, but NASA's are real, right?
Those aren't CGI too? I thought you said they were? So, they're not?  :confused:

Look at the effects of that picture; do you mean to say that photo was not touched in any way?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: happenby on October 14, 2017, 03:11:35 PM
Those aren't CGI too? I thought you said they were? So, they're not?  :confused:

Look at the effects of that picture; do you mean to say that photo was not touched in any way?
That's the point. Picures from NASA are cgi. But that should have been obvious for even the most dull witted. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 14, 2017, 03:12:47 PM
The humility is almost palpable...
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 14, 2017, 08:55:32 PM
The humility is almost palpable...
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Really? Where is it?    :confused:  
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And speaking of "where" ------- where is Lastdays?
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 14, 2017, 09:14:42 PM
And this is deplorable's "open mind" to things not so "solid..."

(https://images.enca.com/enca/WEB_PHOTO_drowning_0.jpg)
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Did help arrive too late?
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 15, 2017, 04:59:14 PM
"Let's convert..."

... non-Catholics?

If that's what you're about, then thanks for clearing that up, and if not then wouldn't they have priority?

Triage, yeah?

Better thing to do?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 15, 2017, 05:06:27 PM
Thanks for the confirm. I hope that everyone else, esp. the site owners, considers what is written here very carefully, and what it implies.


Please continue Flatgαys, (I mean "Last days")
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 15, 2017, 05:23:44 PM
Busy with other things Mr. 13,800+ posts.
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 15, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
Seems that you and Neil like to pretend that males are girls. Thanks for the confirm. I hope that everyone else, esp. the site owners, considers what is written here very carefully, and what it implies.
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 15, 2017, 05:29:23 PM
... he says with a meme of a geriatric Village Person...

Coulda been worse, coulda been a dimple chinned sailor in his "Cracker Jacks", or something in a zipper mask.

"I like your thstyle. New in town?"
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 15, 2017, 05:38:13 PM
Hey Dizzy (I mean DZ). It seems as if you've been spinning on your ball earth a little to long. Non-Catholics such as yourself always have priority. The problem is that none of you want to listen. You would rather play with your triage crayons, yeah?
Haha, Looks like Lastdays gave you a burn too...
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 16, 2017, 09:35:40 AM
Seems that you and Neil like to pretend that males are girls. Thanks for the confirm. I hope that everyone else, esp. the site owners, considers what is written here very carefully, and what it implies.

For Dizzy and Neil to treat males as if they girls can only mean one thing, which the Church defines as "intrinsically disordered." It explains a few things. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: happenby on October 16, 2017, 12:11:38 PM
The globers here have been given multiple Catholic sources to at the very least consider the assertion that earth is flat.  They never have.  They continue to mock and disparage, but that alone shows they are married firmly to modern science and refuse to listen to the Church.  
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 16, 2017, 12:29:29 PM
“When anyone finds a doctrine clearly established in Augustine, he can absolutely hold it and teach it, disregarding any bull of the pope.”

Jansenists' error 30, condemned by Pope Alexander VIII
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: happenby on October 16, 2017, 12:54:49 PM
And what has the Church told us about the shape of the Earth? Please quote it. Nobody ever does. I keep asking but nothing. Listening to the Church implies that the Church has said something about the shape. Where is it?
I don't want the teaching about the Scriptures from Trent because that implies that the Sacred Scriptures say explicitly what the shape of the Earth is. They do not.
It does not say explicitly.  But neither does scripture say Our Lady was Immaculately conceived.  The conclusion comes not only from scripture, but from notable saints like St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, Moses, Enoch, Severanius, Cosmas, St. Augustine as well as from the Church's condemnation of heliocentrism.  Not to mention the trajectory and source of the accepted pagan model which is anarchy.  It then becomes clear with infallible teachings like Jerusalem being the center of the earth and that there are no antipodes, along with a reasonable, literal interpretation of scripture along with science and reason, that earth is flat.  
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: happenby on October 16, 2017, 12:55:53 PM
“When anyone finds a doctrine clearly established in Augustine, he can absolutely hold it and teach it, disregarding any bull of the pope.”

Jansenists' error 30, condemned by Pope Alexander VIII
If Augustine were the only Catholic flat earther, you would have a case.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: kiwiboy on October 16, 2017, 12:58:30 PM
It does not say explicitly.  But neither does scripture say Our Lady was Immaculately conceived.  The conclusion comes not only from scripture, but from notable saints like St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, Moses, Enoch, Severanius, Cosmas, St. Augustine as well as from the Church's condemnation of heliocentrism.  Not to mention the trajectory and source of the accepted pagan model which is anarchy.  It then becomes clear with infallible teachings like Jerusalem being the center of the earth and that there are no antipodes, along with a reasonable, literal interpretation of scripture along with science and reason, that earth is flat. 

second that...

Will also add, the emphasis on the EARTH as in the ground is a new one. Creation was always understood as a whole.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 16, 2017, 01:02:39 PM
If Augustine were the only Catholic flat earther, you would have a case.
God help you.
It's comments such as that which further evidence at least one of two things:
1. They're dumb as dog droppings.
2. They're pernicious liars. Why this? When they can play "scripture twister" with the "best" of (other?) Protestants all day long, demonstrating  incredible levels of eisegetics, making scripture say what they bloody well want it to...

... but see/acknowledging the actual principle and intent of a papal condemnation?

No, you get the kind of DIABOLIC drivel from the likes of crappinhigh.

Lady, you're a real peace of work.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 16, 2017, 01:06:05 PM
God help you.

We believe that we are pleasing God when we defend His creation.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 16, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
Busy with other things Mr. 13,800+ posts.
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That's a relief. I was getting worried about you. 
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Please excuse me for getting your username confused with a woman's. My mistake!
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: kiwiboy on October 16, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
Prots play with similar erector sets and build similar "conclusions."

Note:

Doesn't someone speaking with the full authority of the Magisterium say that somewhere . . . yeah . . . hold on . . . I'll come back if you don't get it before then.

Perhaps you can come back and show me where someone speaking similarly with Church authority said, "flat earth."

Trying to compare us to protestants is going to fail. We have science, scripture and tradition with us. You have none of them.

They didn't say "flat earth" because that was not the way they looked at it. It was not the most important aspect of creation.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 16, 2017, 01:12:12 PM
God help you.
It's comments such as that which further evidence at least one of two things:
1. They're dumb as dog droppings.
2. They're pernicious liars. Why this? When they can play "scripture twister" with the "best" of (other?) Protestants all day long, demonstrating  incredible levels of eisegetics, making scripture say what they bloody well want it to...

... but see/acknowledging the actual principle and intent of a papal condemnation?

No, you get this kind of DIABOLIC drivel from the likes of crappinhigh.

Lady, you're a real piece of work.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 16, 2017, 01:19:25 PM
We believe that we are pleasing God when we defend His creation.
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It's not to your discredit to INTEND to "defend God's creation." 
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The problem is you're not paying attention to the facts of reality before your eyes and instead proclaim the subjective reality that's in your mind.
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Provide a model of your "flat earth" that shows why we see the phases of the moon (and other things) that we in fact see in the sky.
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You guys keep accusing everyone else of using "fake CGI" images of the earth when we try to explain the cosmos, but you have never been able to provide anything better than cartoons for your own propositions, and the cartoons you provide don't support what you claim.
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Even when you say you intend to defend God's creation, you end up making a MOCKERY of God's creation -- making claims that cannot be supported.
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: kiwiboy on October 16, 2017, 01:22:35 PM
Dude,

I didn't say "globe earth." I said to FEer's, "where's the beef?" You have lots of buns and pickles, but no beef.

And forget the "they." And forget the exactitude of "flat earth." You can show me the Church's magisterium saying, "pancake," "circle" or some equivalent authoritative teaching to the effect that the earth is, well, "flat."

If there is no curvature on the earth, then what are we to think that it is? a REALLY REALLY big globe? Why would we think that, when even human tradition holds that it is not.

Try to think before typing and do some research. Honest research. Where you suspend judgment.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 16, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
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It's not to your discredit to INTEND to "defend God's creation."
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The problem is you're not paying attention to the facts of reality before your eyes and instead proclaim the subjective reality that's in your mind.
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Provide a model of your "flat earth" that shows why we see the phases of the moon (and other things) that we in fact see in the sky.
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You guys keep accusing everyone else of using "fake CGI" images of the earth when we try to explain the cosmos, but you have never been able to provide anything better than cartoons for your own propositions, and the cartoons you provide don't support what you claim.
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Even when you say you intend to defend God's creation, you end up making a MOCKERY of God's creation -- making claims that cannot be supported.
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Your facts are the facts of secular humanism. Secular humanism does not teach that God created the heavens and the earth.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 16, 2017, 02:29:17 PM
Your facts are the facts of secular humanism. Secular humanism does not teach that God created the heavens and the earth.
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My facts are the reality you can see by opening your eyes and using your mind. 
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 16, 2017, 02:41:01 PM
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My facts are the reality you can see by opening your eyes and using your mind.
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Thanks, but I'm not interested in seeing the world through the lens, or perspective, of secular humanism.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 16, 2017, 04:07:23 PM

Thanks, but I'm not interested in seeing the world through the lens, or perspective, of secular humanism.
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You're equating what you see when you open your eyes and use your mind with "secular humanism?"
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 16, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
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You're equating what you see when you open your eyes and use your mind with "secular humanism?"
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With my own eyes I can see that the earth is a flat plain. No curve. Objects which are supposed to be too far away (given the fictional curvature) to be seen with our eyes can actually be seen. No evidence of a curvature from any viewpoint that I can see. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 16, 2017, 04:56:29 PM
With my own eyes I can see that the earth is a flat plain. No curve. Objects which are supposed to be too far away (given the fictional curvature) to be seen with our eyes can actually be seen. No evidence of a curvature from any viewpoint that I can see.
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And therefore you have decided that anything that would make a problem for your already-decided flat-earthism you will have no part of, since you've already made up your mind. Correct?
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IOW -- you have already made up your mind, so you won't be confused with any facts.
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 16, 2017, 04:58:44 PM
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And therefore you have decided that anything that would make a problem for your already-decided flat-earthism you will have no part of, since you've already made up your mind. Correct?
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IOW -- you have already made up your mind, so you won't be confused with any facts.
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So, the lady really did get sawed in half? That's awful!

Hey, walk by sight, not by faith, right?

One of the dangers of FEthink is the distinct possibility of perfect apostasy / Atheism if they're ever convinced that they're wrong "because the (Church/Bible/God/Fathers etc.) lied/is a myth" etc. etc. etc.

Anything but facing one's own error born of one's own pride.

Case of one extreme leading to another.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 17, 2017, 11:52:34 PM
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And therefore you have decided that anything that would make a problem for your already-decided flat-earthism you will have no part of, since you've already made up your mind. Correct?
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IOW -- you have already made up your mind, so you won't be confused with any facts.
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You've chosen to believe that modern science has all the "facts." That's your choice, not mine. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 01:40:53 AM

You've chosen to believe that modern science has all the "facts." That's your choice, not mine.
You've chosen to "just make s^&t up"; that's your go-to choice.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 18, 2017, 07:25:49 AM
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And therefore you have decided that anything that would make a problem for your already-decided flat-earthism you will have no part of, since you've already made up your mind. Correct?
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IOW -- you have already made up your mind, so you won't be confused with any facts.
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You are aware that all FE people here are former globe earthers, yes?
Therefore, they were not "already decided."
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 07:59:42 AM
You are aware that all FE people here are former globe earthers, yes?
Therefore, they were not "already decided."
1. Distinctions:
 1. Arriving at a position i.e. "... they were not..." (past to present)
 2. Maintaining said position i.e. "... you won't be..." (present to future)
2. .*., "surprise" you've either:
 1. Put it wrong (i.e. "Lying") or
 2. Got it wrong (i.e. "Special")

Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 10:26:43 AM
You've chosen to "just make s^&t up"; that's your go-to choice.

I don't think that the flat earth can be said to be something that's made up by me. The belief in a flat earth was held by most Catholics for the first 1500 years of the Church. The flat earth existed long before any of us were born, and it was created by God, and it's described in Scripture, though Scripture doesn't specifically say..."the earth is a flat plane."

The ancient Hebrews believed that the earth is a flat plane, with the firmament above, and the waters above the firmament. This is how they interpreted Scripture - the very same Scripture that we are supposed to accept, even though the Church has not specifically ruled on the shape of the earth.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 18, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
You are aware that all FE people here are former globe earthers, yes?
Therefore, they were not "already decided."
Huh... I always had a different understanding of original sin...
So in your religion, the earth turns flat when you're "born again?"
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 18, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
Huh... I always had a different understanding of original sin...
So in your religion, the earth turns flat when you're "born again?"
Actually the earth never turned flat; God created the earth flat.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 12:32:37 PM
I don't think that the flat earth can be said to be something that's made up by me. The belief in a flat earth was held by most Catholics for the first 1500 years of the Church. The flat earth existed long before any of us were born, and it was created by God, and it's described in Scripture, though Scripture doesn't specifically say..."the earth is a flat plane."

The ancient Hebrews believed that the earth is a flat plane, with the firmament above, and the waters above the firmament. This is how they interpreted Scripture - the very same Scripture that we are supposed to accept, even though the Church has not specifically ruled on the shape of the earth.
You're either:
1. Lying and/or
2. Being obtuse.

As I just finished reading you being very lucid, I'm leaning towards you just being a liar.

What, specifically, was my response to Meg?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Student of Qi on October 18, 2017, 01:22:24 PM
If early Christians thought that way, we might all be Arians or Nestorians etc. Another example would be the definition of Papal Infallibility. No Pope exercised his power (ex Cathedra or through a General Council) on that subject for over 1800 years. So, just because there have been no infallible declarations by a Pope on the shape of the earth does not mean that the matter is unimportant or not relative to salvation.
Were there even any Church Fathers who preached against Papal Infallibility? Were there any who thought it didn't exist?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 01:55:40 PM
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Meg, what specifically was my response to?
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 02:03:02 PM
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What on earth are you getting at , Dizzy?

You've been asked before if you are somewhere on the autism spectrum. It would be really nice if you could address this. Are you autistic? That would explain a few things. Do you have Aspergers Syndrome? I ask this in all seriousness.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 18, 2017, 02:06:54 PM
I don't think that the flat earth can be said to be something that's made up by me. The belief in a flat earth was held by most Catholics for the first 1500 years of the Church. The flat earth existed long before any of us were born, and it was created by God, and it's described in Scripture, though Scripture doesn't specifically say..."the earth is a flat plane."

The ancient Hebrews believed that the earth is a flat plane, with the firmament above, and the waters above the firmament. This is how they interpreted Scripture - the very same Scripture that we are supposed to accept, even though the Church has not specifically ruled on the shape of the earth.
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The ancient Hebrews had a lot of problems. They never got around to establishing a canon of Sacred Scripture, for example. They liked to talk about Scripture and they quoted from "the Scriptures" but by the time of Christ what one Jєω meant by "scripture" was not what another meant by "scripture." So there was a lot of confusion. 
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Our Lord set things straight by His example, when He always referred to the Septuagint version of Scripture whenever He quoted from "Scripture."
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A lot of ancient Hebrews did not believe in an afterlife. Does that mean there might not be any afterlife, after all, that's what (some) ancient Hebrews believed.
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There never were ANY ancient Hebrews who believed in God as a Trinity of three divine persons having one substance. So is that what we should believe too?
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The ancient Hebrews had no particular use for virginity as an aspect of religious practice. The High Priest was never a virgin and there was no order of women or of men who were consecrated virgins in the Hebrew religion from the time of Adam. So is that what we should be doing, too? 
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The fact that Jesus had no wife and lived the example of consecrated virginity was actually a scandal to the Hebrews of His time and the mere thought that this would become some kind of new teaching was a great impediment for them because not unlike the Harvey Weinsteins of today, their god was their belly and they worshiped their libido and that's the way they liked it, thank you very much.
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The ancient Hebrews did not have any desire or intention or even a calling from God to spread their faith to the world. Those other guys out there who were not of God's "chosen people" were called Gentiles, or "strangers." The ancient Hebrews had nothing to do with them, if they could help it. So should we imitate them and shut down the missions immediately? 
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You guys keep saying that "God made the earth flat" but you don't have any Scripture to back that up. There is a Koran verse, though, that literally says that the earth was made flat (Quran 88:17-20).
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Are you actually crypto-Moslems pretending to be Catholic?
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-bDLKqCCZtt8%2FVRuifm4cquI%2FAAAAAAAAAU0%2FELqsCK-rS_4%2Fs1600%2F10408962_1025348134159848_1413748501032773906_n.jpg&sp=95981524316cf8a1e2de70d174a01e0f)
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 18, 2017, 02:09:39 PM
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: MyrnaM on October 18, 2017, 02:10:31 PM
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The ancient Hebrews had a lot of problems. They never got around to establishing a canon of Sacred Scripture, for example. They liked to talk about Scripture and they quoted from "the Scriptures" but by the time of Christ what one Jєω meant by "scripture" was not what another meant by "scripture." So there was a lot of confusion.
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Our Lord set things straight by His example, when He always referred to the Septuagint version of Scripture whenever He quoted from "Scripture."
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A lot of ancient Hebrews did not believe in an afterlife. Does that mean there might not be any afterlife, after all, that's what (some) ancient Hebrews believed.
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There never were ANY ancient Hebrews who believed in God as a Trinity of three divine persons having one substance. So is that what we should believe too?
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The ancient Hebrews had no particular use for virginity as an aspect of religious practice. The High Priest was never a virgin and there was no order of women or of men who were consecrated virgins in the Hebrew religion from the time of Adam. So is that what we should be doing, too?
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The fact that Jesus had no wife and lived the example of consecrated virginity was actually a scandal to the Hebrews of His time and the mere thought that this would become some kind of new teaching was a great impediment for them because not unlike the Harvey Weinsteins of today, their god was their belly and they worshiped their libido and that's the way they liked it, thank you very much.
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The ancient Hebrews did not have any desire or intention or even a calling from God to spread their faith to the world. Those other guys out there who were not of God's "chosen people" were called Gentiles, or "strangers." The ancient Hebrews had nothing to do with them, if they could help it. So should we imitate them and shut down the missions immediately?
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You guys keep saying that "God made the earth flat" but you don't have any Scripture to back that up. There is a Koran verse, though, that literally says that the earth was made flat (Quran 88:17-20).
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Are you actually crypto-Moslems pretending to be Catholic?
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-bDLKqCCZtt8%2FVRuifm4cquI%2FAAAAAAAAAU0%2FELqsCK-rS_4%2Fs1600%2F10408962_1025348134159848_1413748501032773906_n.jpg&sp=95981524316cf8a1e2de70d174a01e0f)
Right and that is what they want in the NWO, Islamism.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 18, 2017, 02:12:43 PM
Right and that is what they want in the NWO, Islamism.
That is why globe eathers worship the freemasonic globe earth deception.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 02:22:40 PM
What on earth are you getting at , Dizzy?

You've been asked before if you are somewhere on the autism spectrum. It would be really nice if you could address this. Are you autistic? That would explain a few things. Do you have Aspergers Syndrome? I ask this in all seriousness.
Are you a mental health professional Meg, of even the common, Jєω-Jєω man, witch doctor variety? 

I ask this in all seriousness.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
That is why globe eathers worship the freemasonic globe earth deception.
Uses the word "worship" like a Pr... oh, right.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Student of Qi on October 18, 2017, 02:37:52 PM
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The ancient Hebrews had a lot of problems. They never got around to establishing a canon of Sacred Scripture, for example. They liked to talk about Scripture and they quoted from "the Scriptures" but by the time of Christ what one Jєω meant by "scripture" was not what another meant by "scripture." So there was a lot of confusion.
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Our Lord set things straight by His example, when He always referred to the Septuagint version of Scripture whenever He quoted from "Scripture."
.
A lot of ancient Hebrews did not believe in an afterlife. Does that mean there might not be any afterlife, after all, that's what (some) ancient Hebrews believed.
.
There never were ANY ancient Hebrews who believed in God as a Trinity of three divine persons having one substance. So is that what we should believe too?
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The ancient Hebrews had no particular use for virginity as an aspect of religious practice. The High Priest was never a virgin and there was no order of women or of men who were consecrated virgins in the Hebrew religion from the time of Adam. So is that what we should be doing, too?
.
The fact that Jesus had no wife and lived the example of consecrated virginity was actually a scandal to the Hebrews of His time and the mere thought that this would become some kind of new teaching was a great impediment for them because not unlike the Harvey Weinsteins of today, their god was their belly and they worshiped their libido and that's the way they liked it, thank you very much.
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The ancient Hebrews did not have any desire or intention or even a calling from God to spread their faith to the world. Those other guys out there who were not of God's "chosen people" were called Gentiles, or "strangers." The ancient Hebrews had nothing to do with them, if they could help it. So should we imitate them and shut down the missions immediately?
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You guys keep saying that "God made the earth flat" but you don't have any Scripture to back that up. There is a Koran verse, though, that literally says that the earth was made flat (Quran 88:17-20).
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Are you actually crypto-Moslems pretending to be Catholic?
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-bDLKqCCZtt8%2FVRuifm4cquI%2FAAAAAAAAAU0%2FELqsCK-rS_4%2Fs1600%2F10408962_1025348134159848_1413748501032773906_n.jpg&sp=95981524316cf8a1e2de70d174a01e0f)


https://youtu.be/yiH46aff35s




(When I was younger and heard this song, I had the impression that they meant Judaism, since all that I heard was the "It was good for the Hebrew Children, it's good enough for me)
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 18, 2017, 02:42:53 PM
That is why globe eathers worship the freemasonic globe earth deception.
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Flat-earthers get things backwards all the time so this is to be expected.
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You guys should be very happy in the Moslem world you are working toward even if you're not aware of it.
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FLTI1VRrLqro%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&sp=703db25f3852137a4ac10b3612ebaa5f)
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Moslems teach the earth is flat so they can all face Mecca several times a day from everywhere in the world.
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Anyone who refuses to face Mecca will be thrown in jail or perhaps will get beheaded on the spot.
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 18, 2017, 03:02:38 PM

You've chosen to believe that modern science has all the "facts." That's your choice, not mine.
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On the contrary, I have made objective observations myself, and I have tested them. Those are the facts.
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Furthermore, the fact is that flat-earthers refuse to make the same simple observations and they refuse to think about what happens when they're tested. Consequently, it is YOUR CHOICE, to ignore the reality before your eyes, not my choice.
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You have taken by choice, consolation in that what you see right now is all you need to see, and then you believe that you don't need to see anything else. You only look at the horizon and say that it looks "flat" and that's the end of it. You have not come up with any example of what it SHOULD look like if the earth were not flat. That's because you have chosen to not think about what you would expect to see. 
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For you, the mere thought about what you ought to see if the earth were not flat is "heresy." 
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You might as well be a Moslem.
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Z3sRlOOOQFQ%2FWU-_YWwLjEI%2FAAAAAAABVEQ%2F9bjnPdulen0OnLq--h6FMXywmZV5gCo3QCLcBGAs%2Fs1600%2FFlat%252BEarth%252Bin%252BKoran%252Band%252BBible.jpg&sp=fcefbb5b33eccf000b6b1768bb412f6f)
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbiblicalfoundations.weebly.com%2Fuploads%2F2%2F3%2F8%2F9%2F23891722%2F7939868_orig.jpg&sp=5e69777407eb18cc6b99bc940bce4e65)
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 18, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
Precisely.

"Lastdays'" "lastwords..."

https://youtu.be/Yp2aQk-xBII (https://youtu.be/Yp2aQk-xBII)
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 18, 2017, 03:05:51 PM
Dizzy is seriously in need of prayers. I have no doubt.

For mistakenly identifying meg as "lucid?"
:jester:
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 03:07:05 PM
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On the contrary, I have made objective observations myself, and I have tested them. Those are the facts.
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Furthermore, the fact is that flat-earthers refuse to make the same simple observations and they refuse to think about what happens when they're tested. Consequently, it is YOUR CHOICE, to ignore the reality before your eyes, not my choice.
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You have taken by choice, consolation in that what you see right now is all you need to see, and then you believe that you don't need to see anything else. You only look at the horizon and say that it looks "flat" and that's the end of it. You have not come up with any example of what it SHOULD look like if the earth were not flat. That's because you have chosen to not think about what you would expect to see.
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For you, the mere thought about what you ought to see if the earth were not flat is "heresy."
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You might as well be a Moslem.
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(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Z3sRlOOOQFQ%2FWU-_YWwLjEI%2FAAAAAAABVEQ%2F9bjnPdulen0OnLq--h6FMXywmZV5gCo3QCLcBGAs%2Fs1600%2FFlat%252BEarth%252Bin%252BKoran%252Band%252BBible.jpg&sp=fcefbb5b33eccf000b6b1768bb412f6f)
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Even non-Catholics have to ability to see some of the truth. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 03:09:57 PM
Are you a mental health professional Meg, of even the common, Jєω-Jєω man, witch doctor variety?

I ask this in all seriousness.

Since you didn't answer, I'm going to assume that you have autism. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 18, 2017, 03:11:52 PM
 You really need to get your head out of the sand.
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Speaking of getting your head out of the sand, why don't you take a look at what the phases of the moon have to tell us every day of the year?
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Or do you like to keep your own head in the sand while you tell others to get theirs out?
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Dizzy is seriously in need of prayers. I have no doubt.

I agree. To have a disability is one thing (such as autism), but to not recognize when one is mentally limited by the disability is another.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 18, 2017, 03:13:08 PM
Since you didn't answer, I'm going to assume that you have autism.
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Maybe I should assume you're the one with autism, since you refuse to answer regarding the phases of the moon.
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 18, 2017, 03:14:36 PM
Since you didn't answer, I'm going to assume that you have autism.

Lack of an answer = autism... 

What does one have if he gives you the wrong answer?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 18, 2017, 03:15:13 PM
I agree. To have a disability is one thing (such as autism), but to not recognize when one is mentally limited by the disability is another.
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So that's the problem with you -- you're unable to recognize when you're mentally limited by your own disability!
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Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 03:16:28 PM
Precisely.
"Precisely"

"You have stupid hair, that's why cheese!"

"Precisely"
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 03:18:17 PM
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So that's the problem with you -- you're unable to recognize when you're mentally limited by your own disability!
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That's a new one, Neil. You're going outside the usual invectives for a change. Very clever!  8)
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
For mistakenly identifying meg as "lucid?"
:jester:
She is, on other subjects; that's why it's all but impossible to conclude other than she's just another bad willed liar. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 03:20:05 PM
Even non-Catholics have to ability to see some of the truth.
Then maybe you'll zip it, slap on a hijab, and get in the house with the other wives now.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 18, 2017, 03:20:46 PM
"Precisely"

"You have stupid hair, that's why cheese!"

"Precisely"

Remember the story about the do...... nevermind.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/e9/79/52e97951429e75e76fe5fa9f3d8d40f3--bad-hair-funny-pics.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 03:21:36 PM
Since you didn't answer, I'm going to assume that you have autism.
It wouldn't have stopped you assuming whatever served your purposes, regardless. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 03:22:03 PM
She is, on other subjects; that's why it's all but impossible to conclude other than she's just another bad willed liar.

Said by someone with autism, probably Aspergers. Makes it difficult to take you seriously.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: St Ignatius on October 18, 2017, 03:23:53 PM
She is, on other subjects; that's why it's all but impossible to conclude other than she's just another bad willed liar.

I do find it puzzling myself... she needs to quit bump'n that switch, wherever it may be...
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 03:25:49 PM
Hey, here's a thought then; don't "take" me at all, that way you won't feel the need to abuse either your own soul or the handicapped?

Too "autistic" for you, liar? 

IN crayon, "Ignore me, and shut your figurative mouth should you feel the urge to do otherwise."

Deal?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 04:13:24 PM
Hey, here's a thought then; don't "take" me at all, that way you won't feel the need to abuse either your own soul or the handicapped?

Too "autistic" for you, liar?

IN crayon, "Ignore me, and shut your figurative mouth should you feel the urge to do otherwise."

Deal?

No deal.

If a handicapped person such as yourself keeps challenging me, and others, I'm still going to defend myself (and others).

Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: MyrnaM on October 18, 2017, 04:24:36 PM
Said by someone with autism, probably Aspergers. Makes it difficult to take you seriously.
Speaking of yourself ... are you?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 04:43:27 PM
No deal.

If a handicapped person such as yourself keeps challenging me, and others, I'm still going to defend myself (and others).
"The Jєω cries as they strike."
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 05:56:02 PM
"The Jєω cries as they strike."

I'm not Jєωιѕн. I'm of 100% European ethnicity - British, Scandinavian, Irish, and a little Spanish/Portuguese and Greek/Italian. How about you?

Why would you assume that in order to defend oneself and others against your challenges and abuse, that this means that a person is Jєωιѕн? Aren't non-Jєωs allowed to defend Truth?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
I'm not Jєωιѕн. I'm of 100% European ethnicity - British, Scandinavian, Irish, and a little Spanish/Portuguese and Greek/Italian. How about you?

Why would you assume that in order to defend oneself and others against your challenges and abuse, that this means that a person is Jєωιѕн? Aren't non-Jєωs allowed to defend Truth?
Spoken just like a...
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Meg on October 18, 2017, 06:10:47 PM
Spoken just like a...

Apparently, you have a lot more familiarity with how Jєωs think than I do.

And BTW....The earth is flat. 
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Nothing tastes "fishy" to a fish.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 18, 2017, 08:46:11 PM
I love it when globe earthers have a meltdown. 8)  :jester: 

Keep up the awesome work Meg.

God is leaving globe earthers exposed and ashamed; They aren't handling it very well. 8) :jester:
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 08:47:50 PM
"We're BLEEDEEN! We WEEN!"

Idiot.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Tradplorable on October 18, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
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The ancient Hebrews had no particular use for virginity as an aspect of religious practice. The High Priest was never a virgin and there was no order of women or of men who were consecrated virgins in the Hebrew religion from the time of Adam. So is that what we should be doing, too?

I was taught the Hebrews had consecrated Temple virgins and the Blessed Virgin Mary was one of them.
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 18, 2017, 09:32:06 PM
I knew there was a reason you don't have a wife.
I don't?
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: TKGS on October 18, 2017, 09:42:11 PM
I found evidence that the sun really is close and embedded in the firmament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnH-d1rga5I
Title: Re: Welcome to our newest FE'er: Lastdays
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 19, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
I found evidence that the sun really is close and embedded in the firmament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnH-d1rga5I
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What's really surprising is the firmament is within reach of a man on a ladder and the high voltage power lines are behind the sun, even.
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Now we know the sun is actually a Japanese paper lantern. That should make the flat-earthers very happy today.
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