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Title: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on June 29, 2018, 10:26:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO0a0_MqTTc

Lots of very compelling evidence here.  You just need to ignore the one absurd section about how the Church and the Jesuits are behind globe earth theory.  There's lots of evidence here that I haven't seen elsewhere before and it's very compelling.  I was especially struck by the video of the sun from a higher altitude showing it shrinking to a tiny dot BEFORE it sinks below the horizon; that simply can't be explained by the globe earth model.  You can see that from about 56:58 - 57:25 in the video.  Then there were the guys who sailed across lake Michigan towards Chicago, keeping the camera on it the entire time and proving that the sight of the city from 40+ miles out was NOT a mirage nor some kind of refraction.


Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: happenby on June 29, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 29, 2018, 10:26:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO0a0_MqTTc

Lots of very compelling evidence here.  You just need to ignore the one absurd section about how the Church and the Jesuits are behind globe earth theory.  There's lots of evidence here that I haven't seen elsewhere before and it's very compelling.  I was especially struck by the video of the sun from a higher altitude showing it shrinking to a tiny dot BEFORE it sinks below the horizon; that simply can't be explained by the globe earth model.  You can see that from about 56:58 - 57:25 in the video.  Then there were the guys who sailed across lake Michigan towards Chicago, keeping the camera on it the entire time and proving that the sight of the city from 40+ miles out was NOT a mirage nor some kind of refraction.
Kind of hard to find one that is without profanity or blasphemy since the truth is obvious even to modern diverse people.  All the more reason for Catholics to figure out what's going on and take back what belongs to them. 
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 30, 2018, 03:11:40 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 29, 2018, 10:26:30 AM

Lots of very compelling evidence here.  You just need to ignore the one absurd section about how the Church and the Jesuits are behind globe earth theory.  There's lots of evidence here that I haven't seen elsewhere before and it's very compelling.  
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Uh, no. Not a shred of "compelling evidence." No evidence whatsoever, actually, "compelling" or not.
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So why do you ignore the attack on the Church? Not important? The Jesuits are evil, of course. That was in the days of their holy founder, St. Ignatius of Loyola, who the video authors no doubt abhor for being somehow evil too. Get a clue!
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I was especially struck by the video of the sun from a higher altitude showing it shrinking to a tiny dot BEFORE it sinks below the horizon; that simply can't be explained by the globe earth model.  You can see that from about 56:58 - 57:25 in the video.
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Welcome back to Ladislaus the Chicken, who continues nonetheless to run from the questions! True to your nickname?
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Minute 57 of the video, which you find "compelling," shows the same effect posted for your assessment (which you did not reply to), namely, what happens when you don't use a solar filter. This footage at min. 57 is showing the sun setting without use of a solar filter. The author doesn't like the fact that solar filters block out the sun glare (glare makes the sun appear larger when it's not), giving you the accurate size of the sun high in the sky, which is the same diameter as what it has while setting.
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Without using a solar filter here, the sun appears large when high in the sky, and as it descends to the horizon where there is more of earth's atmosphere to block its intensity (acting as a solar filter) it then appears smaller. However, when a solar filter is used, the same diameter sun is seen all across the sky.
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But Ladislaus never misses the chance to be "compelled" by fakery! No way! How "compelling" would you find an honest video made with a solar filter in place covering the camera lens? Hmm?
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Flat-earthers say the moon and sun follow the same pattern over the "flat" earth, so the moon should be showing the same size reduction that they claim the sun does. But it doesn't. The moon sets in the west keeping the same appearance it had as it crossed the sky. Sometimes it appears LARGER as it sets, but that's due to some occasional conditions, which are not always that way.
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Furthermore, you STILL have not explained why you can't make the sun come "back" after it has appeared to set in the west.
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You still think that a boat's hull can be made to come "back" after disappearing in the distance (like this video says in min. 1:06:00 as they show the Chicago skyline half-covered by water -- and can't manage to make the bottom half of the buildings come "back" using a zoom lens! -- but doesn't show any evidence to back up their boat hull claim), but you have failed to show how that works in fact. All anyone can come up with is enlarged images of a far-away vessel, but as the vessel gradually disappears from the bottom upwards, no amount of magnification can make the vessel appear as it had been before it started to vanish behind the earth's curvature.
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This video is a 29-part litany of falsehood. Each part is labeled "Proof" of this or that, but not one shred of evidence is provided, anywhere. It's all a pack of lies. Amazing anyone would pay attention! A fool is born every minute, I guess.
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Found in the comments section below it on its YouTube page, are summaries of the hundreds of the video's erroneous statements.
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Then there were the guys who sailed across lake Michigan towards Chicago, keeping the camera on it the entire time and proving that the sight of the city from 40+ miles out was NOT a mirage nor some kind of refraction.
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Now you're going to mix videos? What, the 29 sections of this one aren't enough for you? What guys?
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Would those be "the guys" who made such a big deal of using a drone to take pictures of Chicago from out over the lake and then couldn't get the drone to download its memory stick? Those losers?
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 30, 2018, 03:33:51 AM
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Did you miss the BIG CLUE in plain sight? They spell know "Gnow." Like in Gnosticism.
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Big thanks to "Gnow the Truth" YouTube Channel for putting out all 29 Flat Earth Proofs. Make sure you subscribe!

Gnow the Truth
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChw8... (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChw8185puJ-gqF0fROlKqvA)

Flat Earth Proof #1 - The Level
Flat Earth Proof #2 - Pilot Principles
Flat Earth Proof #3 - Land Ho!
Flat Earth Proof #4 - The Horizon
Flat Earth Proof #5 - Solar Rays
Flat Earth Proof #6 - "Polar" Climates
Flat Earth Proof #7 - Down South
Flat Earth Proof #8 - Star Trails
Flat Earth Proof #9 - The Authorities
Flat Earth Proof #10 - The Legends
Flat Earth Proof #11 - Outer Space
Flat Earth Proof #12 - Lunar Enigma
Flat Earth Proof #13 - The International Space Station
Flat Earth Proof #14 - Satellites
Flat Earth Proof #15 - Sunrise, Sunset
Flat Earth Proof #16 - Magnetic North
Flat Earth Proof #17 - Eclipses
Flat Earth Proof #18 - Gravity or Density?
Flat Earth Proof #19 - Revisiting the Level <--- Has the part at 1:06:00 saying the missing lower hull of a boat can be brought "back" - which is false - But nonetheless false, Ladislaus finds falsehood "compelling!"
Flat Earth Proof #20 - More Experiments
Flat Earth Proof #21 - The Tides
Flat Earth Proof #22 - The Coriolis Effect
Flat Earth Proof #23 - Daytime Moon
Flat Earth Proof #24 - The Gyroscope
Flat Earth Proof #25 - Rainbows
Flat Earth Proof #26 - The Analemma
Flat Earth Proof #27 - Circuмnavigation
Flat Earth Proof #28 - The Clouds
Flat Earth Proof #29 - Time Zones

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In fact, here is your post, which I challenged, and you made no reply. Who is doing the emotional blustering here?
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Quote from: Ladislaus on May 15, 2018, 11:54:27 AM
You're extremely ignorant about this subject.  Said optical phenomena have been well demonstrated and are well known.

You are the one who's being stupid.  Lots of things can happen to light and its relationship with how the eye perceives it.

In fact you can find many videos demonstrating exactly that which you bluster about being impossible.  You see the bottom part of boats seemingly vanish, only to reappear when zoomed in on.

It would be one thing if you were just a simple idiot, but you're an arrogant idiot who blusters about claiming that your ignorance is actually truth.
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Ladislaus the blustering idiot, or is it the blustering Chicken idiot?
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Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 01, 2018, 11:50:20 PM
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Is that so? 
Then go ahead and rip this apart in seconds -- or take a few hours -- or another week (you've already taken 4 weeks):
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You have posted numerous times that you find flat-earthism "compelling" when a boat that appears to go down beyond the horizon can be brought "back" by zooming in with a telephoto camera lens. 
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Then, by the same principle (if it is true) that camera and zoom lens should be able to make the sun come "back" after it sets.
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Or, if the principle which you find so "compelling" is FALSE then the sun cannot be made to come "back."
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 30, 2018, 03:56:07 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 10, 2018, 10:43:04 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/'flat'-earth-complete-balderdash/msg608322/#msg608322)
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I do not have a lot of God-given talents, but I am very skilled at shredding bad arguments to pieces.  I can see logical flaws miles away and rip them apart in seconds.  Other than that, I have a very poor memory, and not very many talents in other areas.

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Go ahead, Mr. Chicken. Rip it apart, if that's all you're good at doing.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on June 30, 2018, 12:41:58 PM
Excellent video!

I liked the part about very little life in the south.

Because the sun is too far.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 30, 2018, 03:35:15 PM
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Mr. Chicken has lost his touch.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 30, 2018, 03:33:51 AM
Ladislaus the blustering idiot, or is it the blustering Chicken idiot?

Grow up, Neil, and stop crying like a baby about flat earth and I might be inclined to take you more seriously.  Your epic emotional meltdowns have gotten really pathetic.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: Smedley Butler on June 30, 2018, 12:41:58 PM
Excellent video!

I liked the part about very little life in the south.

Because the sun is too far.

Certainly the most compelling evidence in favor of flat earth is how we can see things from much father away than curvature math would allow.  And the typical response is that it's a mirage or it's refraction.  That's why I haven't been able to be 100% sure of flat earth.  But the one guy had his video trained on Chicago for 40 miles out across Lake Michigan and kept it in view the entire time, positively ruling out refraction/mirage.  Now, unless he completely faked the experience, that kind of thing is compelling evidence.  I found the longer video to which this referred briefly.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:47:10 PM
By the way, Neil, I'm not afraid of anyone on a forum, much less the likes of you.  I simply find it incredibly distasteful to deal with an emotional trainwreck like yourself.  None of your rant is worth dignifying with a response, much less to take the time to do it.  I'll look for a more credible and objective proponent of globe earth when seeking resolution on this issue.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 30, 2018, 03:11:40 AM
Minute 57 of the video, which you find "compelling," shows the same effect posted for your assessment (which you did not reply to), namely, what happens when you don't use a solar filter. This footage at min. 57 is showing the sun setting without use of a solar filter. The author doesn't like the fact that solar filters block out the sun glare (glare makes the sun appear larger when it's not), giving you the accurate size of the sun high in the sky, which is the same diameter as what it has while setting.

Despite the fact that you are acting like a baby here, I will not let that judgment of mine ignore what you just wrote here.  Unlike yourself, I am capable of remaining objective.  I will take this point under consideration and will investigate further.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 01, 2018, 03:00:53 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
Despite the fact that you are acting like a baby here, I will not let that judgment of mine ignore what you just wrote here.  Unlike yourself, I am capable of remaining objective.  I will take this point under consideration and will investigate further.
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Oh, Mr. Maturity! How "compelling" do you still find it, please, enlighten the world! 
Let your superior judgment and august discernment for what makes flat-earthdom "compelling" shine though for all to see!
And while you're at it, use your great talent for "shredding" this argument, as you promised you can (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/'flat'-earth-complete-balderdash/msg608322/#msg608322)! 
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Or...................... NOT.
(Which is more likely the case.)
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 01, 2018, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:47:10 PM
By the way, Neil, I'm not afraid of anyone on a forum, much less the likes of you.  I simply find it incredibly distasteful to deal with an emotional trainwreck like yourself.  None of your rant is worth dignifying with a response, much less to take the time to do it.  I'll look for a more credible and objective proponent of globe earth when seeking resolution on this issue.
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No, the problem you're having is you can't answer the questions.
So you run and hide behind excuses, while you hurl ad hominems to see what sticks. 
You can't stand up to the heat, so it's best you get out of the kitchen.
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Prove me wrong by showing how you can make the sun come "back" AFTER it sets.
(After means after, not before.)                           
If you find it so "compelling" that a zoom lens (you say) brings a ship "back" from over the horizon, then do it with the sun! 
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I'll check back in a month. 
Or, I'll check to find no answer from Mr. "I'm very good at shredding bad arguments to pieces (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/'flat'-earth-complete-balderdash/msg608322/#msg608322)" Ladislaus.
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 01, 2018, 03:12:26 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
Grow up, Neil, and stop crying like a baby about flat earth and I might be inclined to take you more seriously.  Your epic emotional meltdowns have gotten really pathetic.
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Another epic emotional meltdown for Mr. "I'm very good at shredding bad arguments to pieces (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/'flat'-earth-complete-balderdash/msg608322/#msg608322)" Ladislaus the Pathetic.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 03:14:05 PM
Neil , shouldn't you be outside measuring the angle of the moon or something??
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 01, 2018, 03:17:23 PM
Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 03:14:05 PM
Neil , shouldn't you be outside measuring the angle of the moon or something??
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Oh, looky here, if it isn't Smugly the Butthead, who can't answer the questions either! 
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Where is your video showing how you can bring the sun "back" after it sets?
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
Certainly the most compelling evidence in favor of flat earth is how we can see things from much father away than curvature math would allow.  And the typical response is that it's a mirage or it's refraction.  That's why I haven't been able to be 100% sure of flat earth.  But the one guy had his video trained on Chicago for 40 miles out across Lake Michigan and kept it in view the entire time, positively ruling out refraction/mirage.  Now, unless he completely faked the experience, that kind of thing is compelling evidence.  I found the longer video to which this referred briefly.
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I also really enjoyed the flight paths shown at the 24:00 mark.
If you think of it, there is no reason that there should be no cross-ocean flights in the southern hemisphere. Why is it all flights are over the landmass? 
Makes no sense if it were a globe.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:26:06 PM
Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 03:14:05 PM
Neil , shouldn't you be outside measuring the angle of the moon or something??

Sounds like he needs a couple doses of Midol.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
Yes.
I also really enjoyed the flight paths shown at the 24:00 mark.
If you think of it, there is no reason that there should be no cross-ocean flights in the southern hemisphere. Why is it all flights are over the landmass?
Makes no sense if it were a globe.

I actually looked into how long 747s can fly without refueling thinking that perhaps it was too long a flight over water, but it wasn't.  747s can fly well beyond trans-ocean flight path.

There was another guy who had a video where he pulled news articles of a lady who was giving birth on a flight and said that the flight made an emergency landing in Alaska.  But Alaska was a huge distance from the globe-earth flight path, but right there near the flat-earth flight path.  On the globe earth, there would have been a couple of much better places to land.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 01, 2018, 03:17:23 PM
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Oh, looky here, if it isn't Smugly the Butthead, who can't answer the questions either!
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Where is your video showing how you can bring the sun "back" after it sets?

I'm glad that you asked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgkz2I-oqYI
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:26:06 PM
Sounds like he needs a couple doses of Midol.
Somebody get him a pint of Ben & Jerry's and a hot water bottle to go with it.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:45:04 PM
I'm glad that you asked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgkz2I-oqYI
Ah, yes, there it is. 
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
I actually looked into how long 747s can fly without refueling thinking that perhaps it was too long a flight over water, but it wasn't.  747s can fly well beyond trans-ocean flight path.

There was another guy who had a video where he pulled news articles of a lady who was giving birth on a flight and said that the flight made an emergency landing in Alaska.  But Alaska was a huge distance from the globe-earth flight path, but right there near the flat-earth flight path.  On the globe earth, there would have been a couple of much better places to land.
I spent some time reading about Boeing 777's which have the longest range at 8, 500 -9, 000 nm.
The nonstop flights from LAX to SYD take 15 hours. Their top speed is about 600mph. But that would not be their average speed. That's probably closer to 450-500mph.
Its interesting to note we can only fly 6, 500-7, 000nm without a stop.
This is why they are following the landmasses on their routes: the distance across oceans between the southern continents exceed 6, 500nm.
They can't fulfill the range.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 08:43:42 PM
The reported distance from Johannesburg to Santiago is 5, 000nm across the southern ocean. That would be an easy flight. But they don't.
Instead they fly 8, 000nm
via Senegal.

Why?

Because the actual distance across the southern ocean far exceeds 5, 000nm.


www.distancefromto.net
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 02, 2018, 04:37:50 AM
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Most southern hemisphere flights that are shown with stopovers in the northern hemisphere are doing that because the so-called flight is actually two flights, and the passengers going from Johannesburg to Santiago (or other similar cities) have to transfer to a different plane at the stopover. The reason is, there is not enough demand for flights from Johannesburg to Santiago (or similar cities) to make regular direct flights practical. Airlines don't like to keep flights active when they can't sell all the seats and end up flying with too many empty seats.
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Of course, inconvenient details like that are very tempting for flat-earthers to ignore or overlook. Perhaps they think it's fun to pretend the reality is otherwise while they intentionally leave out important information with the intent to deceive.
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In other words, we're being lied to. Can you imagine flat-earthers lying to us? Amazing! While they complain that NASA is lying to us.
Maybe this is flat-earthers' way of getting even, or "it's payback time?"
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 02, 2018, 04:42:04 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:45:04 PM
I'm glad that you asked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgkz2I-oqYI
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Oh, that again. The no-solar filter, overexposed sun video when the sun hasn't set yet! 
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Pay attention for once. I said AFTER the sun sets, not before. This video does not show the sun AFTER it sets.
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And without a solar filter the sun appears much larger zoomed out. You can do this with a cheap camera too. 
You don't even need the sun. You can get the same effect with a flashlight in a dark room.
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 02, 2018, 04:53:44 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
I actually looked into how long 747s can fly without refueling thinking that perhaps it was too long a flight over water, but it wasn't.  747s can fly well beyond trans-ocean flight path.

There was another guy who had a video where he pulled news articles of a lady who was giving birth on a flight and said that the flight made an emergency landing in Alaska.  But Alaska was a huge distance from the globe-earth flight path, but right there near the flat-earth flight path.  On the globe earth, there would have been a couple of much better places to land.
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There was a flight from Japan to DFW that stopped in Alaska for a maternity emergency, but the flight path took the plane to within 200 miles of Anchorage along the Great Circle route from Japan to Texas, so it was the closest place to land for a medical emergency.
The "globe-earth flight path" isn't always what you might think it is. Many times they don't use a totally GC route for many reasons.
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https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37748/why-might-this-trans-pacific-flight-not-follow-a-more-direct-route
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/TcQiw.png)
American Airlines 127 Thursday 04-May-2017
Compared to great circle route:
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/yZN0T.gif)
Very rarely does a flight follow the great circle route all the way. Every day the route is changed due to winds - you want to find the tailwinds and avoid the headwinds. Other considerations include airspace restrictions (China is notoriously bad for that), ETOPS, or weather. – Ben (https://aviation.stackexchange.com/users/3746/ben) May 5 '17 at 6:46 (https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37748/why-might-this-trans-pacific-flight-not-follow-a-more-direct-route#comment98485_37748)
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 02, 2018, 05:04:25 AM
Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 08:34:12 PM
I spent some time reading about Boeing 777's which have the longest range at 8, 500 -9, 000 nm.
The nonstop flights from LAX to SYD take 15 hours. Their top speed is about 600mph. But that would not be their average speed. That's probably closer to 450-500mph.
Its interesting to note we can only fly 6, 500-7, 000nm without a stop.
This is why they are following the landmasses on their routes: the distance across oceans between the southern continents exceed 6, 500nm.
They can't fulfill the range.
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You had better get real busy to find out why the coming circuмpolar flight is impossible, because it's going to happen in October, even if flat-earthers think it won't.
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New York - Río Gallegos - (passing over south pole) - Perth - Beijing - (passing over north pole) - New York.
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Hurry up! You only have another 3-1/2 months before you run out of time doing your research.
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 02, 2018, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 02, 2018, 04:37:50 AM
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Most southern hemisphere flights that are shown with stopovers in the northern hemisphere are doing that because the so-called flight is actually two flights, and the passengers going from Johannesburg to Santiago (or other similar cities) have to transfer to a different plane at the stopover. The reason is, there is not enough demand for flights from Johannesburg to Santiago (or similar cities) to make regular direct flights practical. Airlines don't like to keep flights active when they can't sell all the seats and end up flying with too many empty seats.
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Of course, inconvenient details like that are very tempting for flat-earthers to ignore or overlook. Perhaps they think it's fun to pretend the reality is otherwise while they intentionally leave out important information with the intent to deceive.
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In other words, we're being lied to. Can you imagine flat-earthers lying to us? Amazing! While they complain that NASA is lying to us.
Maybe this is flat-earthers' way of getting even, or "it's payback time?"
"Not enough demand" is a TOTAL lie.
Airlines do everything to make money. Fuel costs MONEY. 
They are NOT going to fly  an 8, 000nm "V" into the north, if they can fly a 5, 000nm STRAIGHT LINE in the south.
But they don't and they can't because it is not 5, 000nm.
And this is not confined to one route: there are NO NONSTOP trans-ocean flights in the southern hemisphere between ANY cities.
 
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: happenby on July 02, 2018, 12:59:25 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 02, 2018, 05:04:25 AM
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You had better get real busy to find out why the coming circuмpolar flight is impossible, because it's going to happen in October, even if flat-earthers think it won't.
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New York - Río Gallegos - (passing over south pole) - Perth - Beijing - (passing over north pole) - New York.
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Hurry up! You only have another 3-1/2 months before you run out of time doing your research.
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This "circuмpolar" flight promoters are denying any scientific testing for the event proving it is a waste of money SCAM.
  
Title: S. Hemisphere Travel/Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: AlligatorDicax on July 02, 2018, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 01, 2018, 08:43:42 PM

The reported distance from Johannesburg to Santiago is 5,000 nm across the southern ocean.  That would be an easy flight.  But they don't.  Instead they fly 8,000 nm via Senegal.

You are aware, aren't you, that Dakar: the capital of Senegal, by being situated on the Cape Verde Peninsula (approx. 17½°W.), is home to the 2 westernmost international airports in Africa: historic DKR and the new DSS (IATA), each featuring 1 runway longer than 11,400 ft.?

Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 02, 2018, 08:40:00 AM

"Not enough demand" is a TOTAL lie.  Airlines do everything to make money.  Fuel costs MONEY.  They are NOT going to fly  an 8,000 nm "V" into the north, if they can fly a 5,000 nm STRAIGHT LINE in the south.

As usual, when Smedley is challenged by an entirely plausible refutation from a spherist, he just intensifies his rhetoric, apparently hoping that doing so will distract readers from noticing that all he's done is just restated his preconceived notions or flattist talking points, and continues his failure to offer any logical evidence--never mind any proof!

Dakar has the most sensible international airports for stop-overs from which to keep an airline's passengers flying northward, eastward, or southward within its own brand, to destinations much more popular, thus creating much higher demand, than either Johannesburg or Santiago (presumably the capital of Chile, near 71°W.).  I'd be really shocked if connecting flights for other final destinations, e.g., Athens, Cairo, Istanbul, Lisbon, Madrid, Nairobi, Paris, Rome, didn't generate much greater demand for stop-overs in Dakar, thus much more profit for an airline, than the hypothetical nonstop transocean flight to Johannesburg (near 28°E.).

The latter flight to the bottom (ahem!) of Africa would bypass 45° of longitude in Africa that are home to other potentially profitable stop-overs.  As perspective for us United-Statesians, 45° is the same span of longitude as Philly [★] to Lake Tahoe (75°W. to 120°W.)!

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Note ★: Wishing all United-Statesians a happy Real-Independence Day, i.e.: July 2: the day of the crucial vote approving independence, as attested by Patriot John Adams.  As distinct from that day of mere paperwork--every delegate fancying himself an editor, arguing over T.J.'s wording of the Declaration--that our country somehow slipped into celebrating.   [Haaades], yes, I digress!
Title: Hemisphere Contrasts/Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: AlligatorDicax on July 02, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 02, 2018, 04:37:50 AM

Most southern hemisphere flights that are shown with stopovers in the northern hemisphere are doing that because the so-called flight is actually two flights, and the passengers going from Johannesburg to Santiago (or other similar cities) have to transfer to a different plane at the stopover. The reason is, there is not enough demand for flights from Johannesburg to Santiago (or similar cities) to make regular direct [×] [nonstop] flights practical. Airlines don't like to keep flights active when they can't sell all the seats and end up flying with too many empty seats.

This assertion of "not enough demand" is entirely sensible to readers who have heard the Southern Hemisphere repeatedly described as the planet's most impoverished (or "disadvantaged") hemisphere.  What's down there?  Australia & New Zealand brightening the S.W. Pacific, in contrast to Latin America and Subsaharan Africa.  Welll, [Haaades], let the latter 2 continents add in their countries in the tropics (i.e., northward to the Tropic of Cancer) of their Northern Hemisphere, for all the good it'll do!

There's economic data that provides a basis for sensible assertions about demand for transoceanic air travel, especially flights whose initial departures or final destinations are in Africa.  Map-style visualization of that data can be coldly unequivocal about the economic contrasts vs. the Northern Hemisphere (especially Anglophone N. America, W. Europe, Scandinavia, and E. Asia where countries developed opportunities with Western technology), and some contrasts are not the least bit subtle:

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita at nominal values (where pale yellow is worst) [#]:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/GDP_per_capita_%28nominal%29_2015.png/640px-GDP_per_capita_%28nominal%29_2015.png) (640×296)

Human Development Index (where deep red is worst) [##]:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/2016_UN_Human_Development_Report.svg/640px-2016_UN_Human_Development_Report.svg.png) (640×281)

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Note [×]: Airlines deceptively use the term "direct" to indicate a flight that does include stop-overs, but passengers (and their baggage) for the ticketed destination remain on the same aircraft.  Never mind the planar-math maxim that the "most direct distance between 2 points is a straight line"; that's the approximate route for which the airlines deceptively reserve the term "non-stop"[sic].

Note #: "[Gross Domestic Product (GDP)] per capita at nominal values.  This is the value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year, converted at market exchange rates to current U.S. dollars, divided by the average population for the same year."  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita)>.

Note ##: "The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic (composite index) of life expectancy, education, and per capita income indicators, which are used to rank countries into four tiers of human development."  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index)>
Title: Re: S. Hemisphere Travel/Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 03, 2018, 06:21:18 PM
Quote from: AlligatorDicax on July 02, 2018, 04:32:34 PM
You are aware, aren't you, that Dakar: the capital of Senegal, by being situated on the Cape Verde Peninsula (approx. 17½°W.), is home to the 2 westernmost international airports in Africa: historic DKR and the new DSS (IATA), each featuring 1 runway longer than 11,400 ft.?

So what?  Presumably the airport that is their ultimate destination, which they could have reached directly in little over half the time, would also have a runway sufficient for them to land on.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 03, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
Neil, even if you you happen to be right, and the earth is a globe, you've still made a fool of yourself and discredited yourself ... being disqualified as someone who can be regarded as sincerely seeking the truth in good will.  So you may have won the battle, but you will have lost the war.  Why do you think that I accept nothing that you say at face value?  Your childish taunting and ridicule of the other position has completely discredited you as a reliable source of objective information.  If you said to me, "Good Morning", I'd have to go outside and investigate whether it may not just be night time.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: happenby on July 03, 2018, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 03, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
Neil, even if you you happen to be right, and the earth is a globe, you've still made a fool of yourself and discredited yourself ... being disqualified as someone who can be regarded as sincerely seeking the truth in good will.  So you may have won the battle, but you will have lost the war.  Why do you think that I accept nothing that you say at face value?  Your childish taunting and ridicule of the other position has completely discredited you as a reliable source of objective information.  If you said to me, "Good Morning", I'd have to go outside and investigate whether it may not just be night time.
You're being generous.  He can't even pretend to have won the battle. 
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 04, 2018, 02:57:28 AM
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One of the frames they cut out of the "very compelling" flat-earth video:
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(http://flatearthlunacy.com/images/2017-07-17_19-43-15.png)
Maybe Ladislaus can chime in and explain how using more powerful telephoto will bring the ship "back!"

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Resolution could be better, couldn't it?
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Okay, then how about this?
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(http://media.mlive.com/news_impact/photo/denis-sullivan-tall-ship-on-the-horizonjpg-affa348ea7f1727c.jpg)
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Go directly to the source website and you can click on the image to magnify it!
Magnify the image and see if that helps bring the ship "back" like Ladislaus contends is "compelling."
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 04, 2018, 03:15:25 AM
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Timed out on edit above. Here is the source URL, which I copied from the first screenshot.
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http://media.mlive.com/news_impact/photo/denis-sullivan-tall-ship-on-the-horizonjpg-affa348ea7f1727c.jpg
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Let me guess:
Ladislaus says, 

Oh, sure, when you click on the image the ship gets bigger and you can see more of it!
So the ship is coming "back" just like I said it would! You see? I was right!
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 04, 2018, 03:28:50 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 03, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
discredited yourself ... being disqualified as someone who can be regarded as sincerely seeking the truth in good will.  
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This topic has a lot in common with my Catholic Faith.
I don't go to Protestant "Bible studies" because they all pretend they're seeking the truth, presuming from the start that none of us all ready have it. But the Catholic doesn't presume that. The Catholic is assured that the infallible Church DOES have the truth.
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Well, I've all ready been to the other side of the mountain, and I have observed the curvature of the earth with my own eyes.
So I don't have to pretend we're all searching for the truth. I all ready have it. The earth is spheroid. I know this for a fact.
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I'm only trying to share the obvious for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. St. Matthew xiii. 15 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=13&l=15-#x) describes flat-earthers!
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 04, 2018, 04:02:42 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 04, 2018, 02:57:28 AM
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One of the frames they cut out of the "very compelling" flat-earth video:
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(http://flatearthlunacy.com/images/2017-07-17_19-43-15.png)
Maybe Ladislaus can chime in and explain how using more powerful telephoto will bring the ship "back!"

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Resolution could be better, couldn't it?
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Okay, then how about this?
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(http://media.mlive.com/news_impact/photo/denis-sullivan-tall-ship-on-the-horizonjpg-affa348ea7f1727c.jpg)
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Go directly to the source website and you can click on the image to magnify it!
Magnify the image and see if that helps bring the ship "back" like Ladislaus contends is "compelling."
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The ship above is named the Denis Sullivan and the location is the Great Lakes, 2 years ago. These are replica sailing ships.
Here is a view of the same ship up close without the curvature of the earth getting in the way.
(Coincidentally the horizon in the distance (background) is at about the same line of sight against the D.Sullivan as the foreground horizon was in the photos above):
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https://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2016/02/three_tall_ships_make_bay_city.html#0 (https://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2016/02/three_tall_ships_make_bay_city.html#0)
(https://image.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/width960/img/news/baycity_impact/photo/ships-arrive-for-bay-city-tall-ship-celebration-2013-54f06879a4b345cc.jpg)
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Danielle McGrew | MLive.com File Photo
Denis Sullivan
Flag: USA
Homeport: Milwaukee, Wis.
Rig: Three-masted schooner
Sparred length: 137 feet
Length on deck: 98 feet Draft: 9 feet 6 inches
Beam: 23 feet 2 inches Rig height: 98 feet
Sail area: 4,597 square feet
Propulsion: Two 180 horsepower cuмmins diesel engines
Hull: Wood
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 04, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
As I've mentioned before, the boat with missing bottom pictures are not particularly compelling.  Lots of things can explain that.  Where's some actual concrete proof?  How about sensitive GPS equipment that could show buildings that are miles apart from one another having a greater distance between their tops than their bottoms?  That would be compelling.  Now, a group of Flat Earthers claim to have conducted the experience in cooperation with government surveyors in Brazil to demonstrate the opposite ... that the buildings are the same distance apart at the top and at the bottom, showing that they do not lean away from one another as expected on a globe earth.  They allegedly conducted this experiment with equipment that's accurate to within a couple centimeters.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 05, 2018, 02:23:10 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 04, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
As I've mentioned before, the boat with missing bottom pictures are not particularly compelling.  Lots of things can explain that.  Where's some actual concrete proof?  How about sensitive GPS equipment that could show buildings that are miles apart from one another having a greater distance between their tops than their bottoms?  That would be compelling.  Now, a group of Flat Earthers claim to have conducted the experience in cooperation with government surveyors in Brazil to demonstrate the opposite ... that the buildings are the same distance apart at the top and at the bottom, showing that they do not lean away from one another as expected on a globe earth.  They allegedly conducted this experiment with equipment that's accurate to within a couple centimeters.
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Do you even recognize how you are demonstrating the refusal of flat-earthers to focus on one topic and try to change topics to something else every time they face difficulty? 
Flat-earthism cannot answer why tall ships arriving from great distance are first visible only at the top of their rigging, then the sails, then eventually the deck shows up, after sometimes many hours or even days of time.
Since flat-earthism cannot answer why this is ALWAYS the case with tall ships coming into view from far out at sea, they try to leap to another subject, just as you are doing here, Ladislaus.
You are denying a very commonly held concept that ships approach land with their tops being visible first, and going down to the hull little by little. You claim "Lots of things can explain that" but you have never provided any proof of any such explaining.
Instead, you contend denial but demand proof of what has long been established. 
No, YOU have to provide the proof of YOUR claim!
Why don't you provide some evidence of being able to "zoom in" to a distant tall ship like the image I showed above of the Denis Sullivan with no deck visible, and make the deck show up with magnification? Too challenging for you?
You keep saying this can be done but you have never linked to any such a thing.
Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 05, 2018, 02:46:34 AM
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There is a website that provides a world-wide map (http://www.sailtraining.org/tallships/2016greatlakes/TSC2016fleettracker.php) showing the location of tall ships around the globe.
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At the present hour, one tall ship, the Picton Castle, is located due south of Baja California and due west of Lima, Peru.
It's in the South Pacific Ocean, west-southwest of Galapagos Islands and north of Tahiti, it seems, heading south.
They don't give ID on the many islands so I'm not sure of which are which but for New Zealand and Hawaii.
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This is what the Picton Castle looks like on the open sea. Take a good, close look and remember what you see:
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(https://s17-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.picton-castle.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fcontent%2Funder-sail--with-stunsls-ON-THE-WAY-TO-BALI-101.jpg&sp=0ae282545beeac686d79e415b1abeefa)
Go to source page (https://s17-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.picton-castle.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fcontent%2Funder-sail--with-stunsls-ON-THE-WAY-TO-BALI-101.jpg&sp=0ae282545beeac686d79e415b1abeefa) for full screen high definition image!
There is a noticeable swell between the ship and the camera, more clearly seen in the high def image.
But even with that swell in the foreground, you can easily distinguish it from the horizon behind the ship.
Question: Would you have noticed that swell if I had not pointed it out?
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Take a good long look here and remember what you see:
(https://s15-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.picton-castle.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2F100%2520indian%2520ocean%2520under%2520sail%2520016.jpg&sp=37ec4191187a418f43514be29d6729b3)
View at sea from the end of the bowsprit!
The net below catches a falling sailor who would be run over by the ship.
And see in the right end of the crossarm above in the sails, a man is pulling a rope!
Question: would you have noticed the man if I had not mentioned him?
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(https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.windseeker.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FPicton-Castle-Sailing-Ship-Windseeker-slider-1280x542.jpg&sp=94d2002981cbc1d519397cc4e97879b4)
View of the foredeck from the top of the foremast, bowsprit on the right end.
Notice how the bowsprit net prominently visible above is hardly seen at all in this view.
You can barely pick it out in the high def image (https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.windseeker.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FPicton-Castle-Sailing-Ship-Windseeker-slider-1280x542.jpg&sp=94d2002981cbc1d519397cc4e97879b4) when you know WHAT TO LOOK FOR!
Finally, go back to the top image.
Back to see that the bowsprit net is nearly lost from view in the first photo on the top of this post.
Question: when you first saw that beautiful ship did you say, "Oh look! There is a net under the bowsprit!?"
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I'm mentioning the swell in the top image and the bowsprit net in the first, second and third images because these are examples of things that nobody would notice with cursory or casual glancing at such photographs.
It takes a keen eye to extract subtle details from photos.
If you want to know what the truth is revealed in a photo you have to take a few minutes to look carefully with a critical eye.
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 05, 2018, 03:22:29 AM
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PICTON CASTLE
Source (https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fnewenglandboating.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F07%2FPicton_Castle_Tall_Ship.jpg&sp=d38dae434a73c813d14b140173c600f5)

with Name prominently on the bow
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(https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fnewenglandboating.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F07%2FPicton_Castle_Tall_Ship.jpg&sp=d38dae434a73c813d14b140173c600f5)
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Hey, you can even see the bowsprit net!
The rigging below the bowsprit helps to keep it from bending upward from the pull those sail ropes give it.
No, those white barrels on the mizzen deck are not depth charges.
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There are wrinkles in the sails, and the sails hang fairly straight down, which means there is very little wind.
Consequently, if the ship is moving at all, it would be due to its 690 hp diesel engine, providing thrust at the propeller.
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This version (https://s17-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fboonstoon.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F06%2Fpicton-castle.jpg&sp=24b34b05b581ea6c7b06f3333aa5b051) (you have to CLICK ON the image in the new tab that opens) is huge, showing the Name of ship:
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(https://boonstoon.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/picton-castle.jpg?w=500&h=333)
When in the enlarged view, try to read what the one unfurled sail has written on it!
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 05, 2018, 03:50:10 AM
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Apparently they're making use of free advertising space, where the sail says, "Barque Picton Castle - South Pacific - Spring Fall 2012 - Join the adventure - (?) on board - Galapagos, Pitcairn, Tuamotus, Cook Islands, Samoa, (??)." -- If someone could only see the largest letters, they might think this was a Rogers and Hammerstein movie set or whatever.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 05, 2018, 04:20:05 AM
Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 02, 2018, 08:40:00 AM
"Not enough demand" is a TOTAL lie.
Airlines do everything to make money. Fuel costs MONEY.
They are NOT going to fly  an 8,000nm "V" into the north, if they can fly a 5,000nm STRAIGHT LINE in the south.
But they don't and they can't because it is not 5,000nm.
And this is not confined to one route:
There are NO NONSTOP trans-ocean flights in the southern hemisphere between ANY cities.
 
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Really? What about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tKmPuYoBE
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 08, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
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Looks like the flat-earthers know when they can't answer the challenge, again. So what else is new?
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The "very compelling" flat-earth video according to Ladislaus isn't "compelling" at all, as it turns out. 
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But true to form, Ladislaus is too embarrassed to show up, because he can't defend his losing position. 
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His talent at "shredding a bad argument" looks like another false claim in the end, because he can't shred squat.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: happenby on July 11, 2018, 06:42:16 PM
Answering religious followers of the pagan religion is a fruitless endevour.  Truth is for those who are humble enough to learn. 
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 14, 2018, 05:26:15 AM
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Still no answer to the challenge, only more mundane canards and false platitudes, adding to the already long list!
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Flat-earthers make a mockery of Scripture and scandalize children (cf. Matt. xviii. 6). They should be forbidden from procreation.
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But true to form, Ladislaus is too embarrassed to show up, because he can't defend his losing position.
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His talent at "shredding a bad argument" looks like another false claim in the end, because he can't shred squat.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 18, 2018, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 14, 2018, 05:26:15 AM
Flat-earthers make a mockery of Scripture and scandalize children (cf. Matt. xviii. 6). They should be forbidden from procreation.

Idiot.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Ladislaus on July 18, 2018, 09:01:16 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 14, 2018, 05:26:15 AM
But true to form, Ladislaus is too embarrassed to show up, because he can't defend his losing position.

Uhm, I don't come in here as often because these threads don't show up on the Recent list.  Stop acting like a spoiled baby ... and I might be more inclined to listen to what you have to say.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 20, 2018, 07:40:23 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 18, 2018, 09:01:16 AM
Uhm, I don't come in here as often because these threads don't show up on the Recent list.  Stop acting like a spoiled baby ... and I might be more inclined to listen to what you have to say.
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Dropping in for a few seconds to hurl some more epithets, are you?
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Answer why your "compelling" video fails to show the sun using a solar filter. 
Anyone can do what you're so impressed with using a cheap camera in a dark room.
The overexposure of the bright light makes it look bigger when the light is only a small part of the center.
But use the proper filter and you see the light does not "rise" at all when you zoom in.
It's a cheap parlor trick.
But in any case, you can't make the sun come BACK after it SETS by zooming in. 
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 20, 2018, 07:41:23 AM
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Flat-earthers make a mockery of Scripture and scandalize children (cf. Matt. xviii. 6). They should be forbidden from procreation.

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What's the matter, Ladislaus, having trouble shredding an argument again?
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 08, 2018, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 01, 2018, 03:09:14 PM
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No, the problem you're having is you can't answer the questions.
So you run and hide behind excuses, while you hurl ad hominems to see what sticks.
You can't stand up to the heat, so it's best you get out of the kitchen.
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Prove me wrong by showing how you can make the sun come "back" AFTER it sets.
(After means after, not before.)                          
If you find it so "compelling" that a zoom lens (you say) brings a ship "back" from over the horizon, then do it with the sun!
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I'll check back in a month.
Or, I'll check to find no answer from Mr. "I'm very good at shredding bad arguments to pieces (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/'flat'-earth-complete-balderdash/msg608322/#msg608322)" Ladislaus.
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Still no answer from "I'm very good at shredding bad arguments to pieces" Ladislaus. 
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Throwing in the towel, then? 
Apparently so, but not honest enough to admit defeat. Just run and hide! And use the forum list for an excuse! 
All righty, then!
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Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 08, 2018, 02:25:10 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 18, 2018, 09:01:16 AM
Uhm, I don't come in here as often because these threads don't show up on the Recent list.  Stop acting like a spoiled baby ... and I might be more inclined to listen to what you have to say.
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It takes one to know one:  Ladislaus the spoiled baby, hides from the challenge!
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 17, 2018, 03:30:49 AM
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Speaking of compelling video, how's this for compelling?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLHq86xM68msPyfIkpvUVgdb1c3fGfWYsi&v=V8m1u2ORXmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8m1u2ORXmE
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..........such revolting levels of dishonesty as in this ridiculous flat-earth movement............
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Explained below the posted video on the YouTube channel page:
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This channel is effectively closed. I am bored of flat Earth and everyone involved in it. It is an utter joke, and I am sick of reading the same lies, day in day out, from flat Earthers. Flat Earthers should be treated with derision and contempt. The very act of entering into a discussion with them is to extend to them a level of respect that they do not deserve. They lie, they manipulate, they distort information, they invent pseudoscientific ideas. Everything that comes from the flat Earth community should be dismissed as white noise. They thrive on their notoriety, and the abuse they incur. I have never encountered a phenomenon even remotely similar. Flat Earthers are revolting excuses for human beings.

Out of interest, I will list some of the reasons that we know the Earth is, without any shadow of a doubt, a sphere.

Viewed with a solar filter, the sun is the exact same size in the sky at all times and at all locations. On an equinox, it rises due east and sets due west everywhere on Earth. When there are sun spots, the same sun spots are visible everywhere on Earth, indicating that the same face of the sun is visible everywhere on Earth. The sun also moves with a constant speed across the sky. The only sane conclusion from these observations is that the sun is a large distant object. If the sun is a distant object then all the light from it is approximately parallel, yet we know that the sun's position in the sky varies as we move across the surface of the Earth, indicating that observers in different locations are at angles to each other. This indicates that the Earth is a sphere.

At any given moment the sun is directly overhead somewhere on Earth. As you move away from this location, the sun drops in the sky. The distance from where the sun is directly overhead is directly proportional to the angle that the sun deviates from the vertical. This is the exact relationship you would expect on a spherical Earth with a distant sun.

There are two sets of circuмpolar stars. One in the south, and one in the north. In the north they rotate anti-clockwise, in the south they rotate clockwise. By measuring the angle of elevation of the centre of rotation, you can know how many degrees north or south of the equator you are. That only makes sense on a spherical Earth.

At different latitudes, different stars are visible. For example, Polaris is only visible in the Northern Hemisphere. Also, there are different stars visible in summer than in winter, because the sun moves relative to the background stars.

We have very accurately mapped the entire surface of the Earth, as is evidenced by our ability to navigate from any location to any other location. The geography of the Earth can only fit on the surface of a sphere, as can be seen on Google Earth.

If you are on the equator facing east and you start moving in a straight line, you will follow the equator all the way round. If you are on any other line of latitude facing east and you start moving in a straight line, you will eventually reach the equator. All lines of latitude are parallel, yet apart from the equator, they form curved lines on the surface of the Earth. That is only possible on a sphere. You can satisfy yourself this is true by considering paths that the sun describes over the surface of the Earth.

The spherical Earth/heliocentric model can be used to predict the exact path that the sun will follow across the sky on any given day of the year at any latitude. There is also a perfect north/south symmetry in our observations of the sun.

Ships disappear over the horizon. Yep, it's an old one, but despite the lies they come out with, flat Earthers have never explained it - and no, you can't bring it back into view with telescope.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: happenby on August 22, 2018, 03:47:50 PM
Total failure to address the video while claiming flat earthers all believe in the AE map shows contempt of truth.    
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 10, 2018, 01:32:22 AM
Quote from: happenby on August 22, 2018, 03:47:50 PM
Total failure to address the video while claiming flat earthers all believe in the AE map shows contempt of truth.    
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Thank you for supporting the globe.
Title: Re: Very Compelling Flat Earth Video
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 10, 2018, 01:37:44 AM
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Viewed with a solar filter, the sun is the exact same size in the sky at all times, as seen from all locations on earth. On an equinox, it rises due east and sets due west everywhere on Earth, without exception. When there are sunspots, the same sunspots are visible everywhere on Earth, indicating that the same face of the sun is visible everywhere on Earth. All the phases of the moon, Venus and Mars are visible from anywhere on earth (where they can be seen), appearing to all observers in the same way at the same time. The sun also moves with a constant speed across the sky. The only sane conclusion from these observations is that the sun is a large distant object. If the sun is a distant object, then all the light from it is approximately parallel, yet we know that the sun's position in the sky varies as we move across the surface of the Earth, and the specific MANNER in which it varies indicates that observers in different locations are at angles to each other as they would be in the case of a spherical earth. This indicates that the Earth is spheroidial.