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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism => Topic started by: Neil Obstat on August 29, 2018, 06:34:05 AM

Title: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 29, 2018, 06:34:05 AM

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Great work. This ought to settle it.

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However, If I really believed it would, I wouldn't know a thing about flattards ... Prepare for the whirling of ad hoc excuses ...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtODdWv6PVk

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8 months ago
Thanks to Walter Bislin for all his efforts! http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Curvature+App%3A+Simulation+of+Globe-Earth+and+Flat-Earth&state=--233.365061-12297.7511-2~0.03-10.38279773-30-30-38-2128-241.40625-10-2100-355.5-61-110-4~0.0343-21009.2482-114.783127-5#App

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Jesse Kozlowski
Jesse Kozlowski
8 months ago
To any surveyors out there watching, please contact me if you can visit this location to record a few zenith angles for me. Should only take 30 minutes on site. Thanks.

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Richard Carnes
Richard Carnes
8 months ago
Dangerous curves ahead. Next 24,901 miles.

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Emma May
Emma May
8 months ago
This is really impressive work!  I'm surprised so few flat Earthers are making their excuses in the responses.  Maybe they're afraid they'll be challenged to do the experiment themselves.

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Joe Kovacs
Joe Kovacs
8 months ago
Great work Soundly, Jesse, and everybody.  We should ask that the next flat earth conference be held at the Marriott,

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chad maulding
chad maulding
8 months ago
I would of swore for two years you guys said the curve of the earth could not be seen because of scale.

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John Michaelson
John Michaelson
8 months ago
Curved Earth Tourists...not only a good description of us, but a good band name, too. Win, win!

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DuhIdiot
DuhIdiot
8 months ago
As big a bucket of ice water to the face as all the other shots should be for Flat EEGers, to me somehow the (top part of) the Marriot stands out.

Where, oh disk delusionists, is the 200 or so (IIRC) bottom feet of that building?
Hidden by waves?
Gobbled up by your magical "flat surfaces eat the bottoms of distant objects sitting on them" phenomenon (which I have dubbed the Constanza Effect—significant shrinkage!)?
Lost in the "convergence", despite the visible portion of the building only having shrunk in apparent size to the exact extent real perspective would dictate?

No, and no, and no. Try it's gone around the bend literally as surely as you jokers have figuratively.

Big ups, Soundly. You keep finding ways to make living in a big, floody swamp just waiting to be swallowed by the Gulf pay off. XD
 
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Khun Rich
Khun Rich
8 months ago
What else will it take?  The reality is there will always be snake oil salesmen and people gullible enough to believe them.  The flat earth "conspiracy" is a modern version of snake oil sold to the gullible and many are willing to even part with their money to be fed BS when the truth is so obvious.

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brighton dude
brighton dude
8 months ago
I wonder if the flat earthers are going to be able to film Lake Pontchartrain Causeway demonstrating it to be flat?

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Kaj Framke
Kaj Framke
8 months ago
Great work. This ought to settle it.

However, If I really believed it would, I wouldn't know a thing about flattards ... Prepare for the whirling of ad hoc excuses ...

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marvin martin
marvin martin
8 months ago
The FE community are in damage control mode going on the negative attention they are sending this way. Another fine nail for them here. Thank you for your due diligence in all vids.

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ImRic
ImRic
8 months ago
Soundly, serious question and you know I hate to be serious. Do you think by now any one that has watched your stuff could be a legit flat earther? 
You have pretty much answered every claim they ever had. Thanks for all you have done. I do hope you are enjoying it.

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Rob Guyatt
Rob Guyatt
8 months ago
I wonder if there is a better place in the world for these sorts of observations. That causeway is perfect. And the seeing you are getting over such a distance is bloody amazing. I have identified a few places in South Aus with potential for good long distance obs. But will wait for next winter to get decent seeing. The Marriot reminds me of a spectacle I witnessed some years ago in Melbourne. As the Sun was setting the orange glow on the side of the Rialto Tower (800') rose up the side of the building. I remember thinking at the time it would be cool to see the Sunset from the ground floor then take an express elevator and see it set again 800 feet higher. An excellent example of how elevation determines when the Sun actually sets and not distance to the Sun as our Flatty mates would like us to believe.
 
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KLW Ein
KLW Ein
8 months ago (edited)
Superb stuff. Thanks.  When you understand the curvature and actually see it like this, it is amazing.

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equinox project
equinox project
8 months ago
Need to get a camera over by the airport with the operator narrating the   approach while the planes are landing, while also filming from across the lake.

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James Van Damme
James Van Damme
8 months ago
"I'm no expert at anything, but I know that's a fact."  --- "Mad" Mike Hughes, coining a phrase which sums up Flat Earthers

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Antonio Carlos
Antonio Carlos
8 months ago
Refraction and ignorance are naturally forbidden to overcome terrestrial sphericity. Like, like, like...

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Dat Way
Dat Way
8 months ago (edited)
A Polaroid of planet Earth from outer space??? FE still wouldn't get it... Thanks for the hard work, time and money that you spent Soundly!!!

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Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Stanley N on August 29, 2018, 09:49:34 AM

Another visit to Lake Pontchartrain by the same person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kADO7nkt-rk

He also took a continuous video of himself taking that video, driving to an internet cafe, and uploading it, to head off charges it was faked.

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Stanley N on August 29, 2018, 10:42:29 AM

Some flat earthers may say the curve in this these videos is due to atmospheric refraction.

In refraction, light bends toward the more dense air. Because more dense air is usually below less dense air, this is typically curvature down, and so makes something otherwise below the horizon more visible. This effect is called looming; mirages are something different.

To get a flat earth to appear curved through refraction would require refraction curvature up (and the effect is called sinking). This would mean more dense air above less dense air. Although such an atmospheric condition is not stable, it does happen, but you wouldn't expect the effect to regularly look the same on different days or at different times of the day.

There are yet other atmospheric effects called towering and stooping that change the apparent size of an object. Again, these depend on atmospheric qualities you wouldn't expect to look the same on different days or at different times of the day.

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 29, 2018, 11:51:36 AM

Quote from: Stanley N on August 29, 2018, 10:42:29 AM

Some flat earthers may say the curve in this these videos is due to atmospheric refraction.

In refraction, light bends toward the more dense air. Because more dense air is usually below less dense air, this is typically curvature down, and so makes something otherwise below the horizon more visible. This effect is called looming; mirages are something different.

To get a flat earth to appear curved through refraction would require refraction curvature up (and the effect is called sinking). This would mean more dense air above less dense air. Although such an atmospheric condition is not stable, it does happen, but you wouldn't expect the effect to regularly look the same on different days or at different times of the day.

There are yet other atmospheric effects called towering and stooping that change the apparent size of an object. Again, these depend on atmospheric qualities you wouldn't expect to look the same on different days or at different times of the day.

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Yes. 
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For the videos above to be the effect of any kind of aberration, it would have to be the exception, not the rule. 
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The key point is, this is the way these subjects appear normally, as in most of the time, regardless of atmospheric anomalies.
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Any time of the day, any day of the year, so long as visibility is good (no fog or darkness) this is what everyone sees.
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Soundly just took pictures of what is there day in and day out, 24/7/365. 
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If flat-earthdom syndromers disagree, it's incuмbent on them to provide contrary evidence.
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The very telling fact that no flat-earthdom syndromer has bothered to make his own video of the same subject speaks volumes.
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All they have to offer is puerile, off-topic gibberish or ad-hominem insults. 
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They can't attack the message so they attack the messenger.

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: cassini on August 29, 2018, 01:02:34 PM

In it it says 'IT FLEW SO HIGH YOU COULD SEE THE CURVE.'

No doubt all the passengers who saw the Earth's curve were all told to lie.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wuykzfFzE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wuykzfFzE)

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 29, 2018, 02:26:24 PM

Quote from: cassini on August 29, 2018, 01:02:34 PM

In it, it says, 'IT FLEW SO HIGH YOU COULD SEE THE [earth's] CURVE.'

No doubt all the passengers who saw the Earth's curve were all told to lie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wuykzfFzE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wuykzfFzE)  

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The "droop snoop" feature was a practical necessity to enable the pilot to be able to see the runway during takeoff and especially during landing, since the overall airframe design required the Concorde to pitch up far more steeply than any other aircraft, plus the fact that the long protruding nose cone would get in the way of pilot view as well. But after airborne, the droop snoop had to raise back up into alignment with the airframe so as to have efficient aerodynamics for the long, expensive flights.
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Conceptual options were proposed and studied that would enable a supersonic transport (SST) to eliminate the droop snoop, since the internal mechanical apparatus that accomplished the lowering and raising of the snoop (nose) of the Concorde weighed 10,000 pounds, and that was a lot of weight -- could have been used instead for payload, such as nearly doubling the number of seats/passengers.  Ideas were proposed, such as having a cockpit with cutting edge instrumentation that would give the pilots video camera views of the runway instead of having to look out the window and see it directly with their eyes. This was actually quite feasible, technologically, however market analysts concluded unanimously that the customer confidence floor would drop out. The highly demanding crowd that would purchase expensive tickets on such flights would not be able to rest assured that their pilots' virtual blindness was a good idea.
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These and other concerns were simply too much to bear, and together they all tipped the scales away from SST reality in the future.
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Another view from even higher up than the Concorde's view:
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(http://stupidcօռspιʀαcιҽs.org/misc/oh_no_its_round.jpg)

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 29, 2018, 06:00:21 PM

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Corrections: "To minimize drag, it soared so high, you could see the earth's curve" (4:30), and droop snoot was the term, not snoop (3:50). Finally, the one thing that literally is the final cause for the ending of the Concorde was a flat tire! (5:15)

So whenever you hear someone complain that a stupid flat tire is no big deal, remind them that a tire puncture killed the Concorde.

Or, for that matter, that a "flat" earth is not important, a flat tire ended the SST all around the globe!

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 11, 2018, 10:19:18 PM

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I should have re-posted the corrected paragraphs, above, since "snoot" occurs 4 times so 4 corrections are in order, like this:

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The "droop snoot" feature was a practical necessity to enable the pilot to be able to see the runway during takeoff and especially during landing, since the overall airframe design required the Concorde to pitch up far more steeply than any other aircraft, plus the fact that the long protruding nose cone would get in the way of pilot view as well. But after airborne, the droop snoot had to raise back up into alignment with the airframe, so as to have efficient aerodynamics for the long, expensive flights.

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Conceptual options were proposed and studied that would enable a supersonic transport (SST) to eliminate the droop snoot, since the internal mechanical apparatus that accomplished the lowering and raising of the snoot (nose) of the Concorde weighed 10,000 pounds, and that was a lot of weight -- could have been used instead for payload, such as nearly doubling the number of seats/passengers.  Ideas were proposed, such as having a cockpit with cutting edge instrumentation that would give the pilots video camera views of the runway instead of having to look out the window and see it directly with their eyes. This was actually quite feasible, technologically, however market analysts concluded unanimously that the customer confidence floor would drop out. The highly demanding crowd that would purchase expensive tickets on such flights would not be able to rest assured that their pilots' virtual blindness was a good idea.

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These and other concerns were simply too much to bear, and together they all tipped the scales away from SST reality in the future.
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In retrospect:
The Concorde ended in 2003, being permanently grounded after just one tire blowout on takeoff caused the very tragic crash killing all aboard. But it was not until AFTER the Concorde was grounded that flat-earthers began to pick up momentum with followers giving "views" to their videos which in turn translates to them being paid by YouTube and/or advertisers. 
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It is noteworthy that these same flat-earth videos would never have made any headway prior to 2003 because of the eyewitnesses who were then flying on the Concorde, because at that time, they would have been eager to contradict the erroneous flat-earthdom syndrome by saying, "I could see the earth's curvature with my own eyes, and so could everyone else." However, after the tragic crash, the passengers who had previously flown on the Concorde were understandably unwilling to talk about their earlier experience or about what they had seen out the window, because they didn't want to remember a subject that had become so agonizingly close to home, which is understandable in the same way that soldiers who experienced war don't usually want to talk about their experience with anyone else who has not had the same kind of history first hand.

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Stanley N on October 09, 2018, 12:04:06 AM

It's curious that this thread has been ignored by the FEers.

Title: Re: This Ought to Settle It
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 09, 2018, 12:50:00 AM

Quote from: Stanley N on October 09, 2018, 12:04:06 AM

It's curious that this thread has been ignored by the FEers.

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Gee, I wonder why. 
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Might be a parallel case to the fact that while the Concorde was flying nobody was talking about flat-earthdomism. 
So now the best they can do is ignore the historical fact of the Concorde and the thousands of eye-witnesses that flew in it.