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Offline Smedley Butler

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There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
« on: May 13, 2018, 11:18:58 AM »
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  • This is scientific proof that heliocentrism is false. 

    HC claims the sun's rays hit the earth in parallel. 

    However, this cannot be seen anywhere ever.

    All sunbeams occur in one shape only: a pyramid. And these rays all have a single point of convergence at the sun.

    This also provably and visually demonstrates the closeness of the sun.

    HC is provably and utterly false.


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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #1 on: May 13, 2018, 11:36:18 AM »
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  • That light rays do not occur in parallel can also be demonstrated visually when looking at any lamp.

    If you squint a little and use your own eyelashes to filter, you will see the beams of light make a pyramid and converge at their source, the light bulb.


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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #2 on: May 13, 2018, 11:46:19 AM »
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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #3 on: May 13, 2018, 04:52:15 PM »
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  • Helio-centrism & Geo-centrism are fake news as science has shown both E And S to be in 3 types of motion. :cheers:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2018, 06:08:10 PM »
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  • This is scientific proof that heliocentrism is false.

    HC claims the sun's rays hit the earth in parallel.

    However, this cannot be seen anywhere ever.

    All sunbeams occur in one shape only: a pyramid. And these rays all have a single point of convergence at the sun.

    This also provably and visually demonstrates the closeness of the sun.

    HC is provably and utterly false.
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    There you go again with your straw-man heliocentrism.
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    But otherwise you're all off, on the rest as well.
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    Maybe you've never heard of a laser beam.
    The one thing that differentiates a laser from other types of light is that the rays are all parallel to each other.
    There are other aspects too, but parallel rays are at the top of the list.
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    That light rays do not occur in parallel can also be demonstrated visually when looking at any lamp.
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    "Any lamp" at a very great distance also shines with very nearly parallel rays.
    But the SHAPE of the lamp at great distance may not be discernible.
    This is shown by the fact that a small mirror can reflect the sun's light visible for 50 miles away.
    But the SHAPE of the mirror cannot be determined at that distance.
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    The (very nearly) parallel rays of the sun's light is an observable fact, which is useful for many observations.
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    The sun has a diameter, and as such, its rays are a little bit scattered since all parts of the sun shine similarly.
    This is why any object held up to sunlight casts a shadow that is a little bit fuzzy.
    The sun is not "a single point" but a circle with a measurable diameter, about 1/2 of one degree.
    Navigators have been in agreement on this fact for about 300 years, in case you missed it.
    If this is what you're referring to by "a pyramid" that's the wrong word. It should be "a cone."
    The sun's light through a small aperture emerges in a cone shape, not "a pyramid." The sun isn't a rectangle.
    Curiously, the small aperture can be in the shape of a square or an elongated rectangle or even a crescent, and you still get a cone pattern.
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    During a partial solar eclipse, the sun's image with a bite taken out of it, can be seen under the shadow of trees.
    That's because the tree leaves act as apertures between the leaves where the sunlight passes through.
    And the distance between each image is the same close to the tree as it is far away from the tree, showing that the sun's rays are parallel.
    Objective observation proves your statement false.
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    The great distance of the sun (approx. 92 million miles away) allows us to use its light AS IF it were parallel rays in many ways.
    But in some applications, a polarizing filter is beneficial to arrange the light in more parallel rays than without the filter.
    You can test this very simply by rotating two polarizing filters and watch the sunlight go from bright to almost blackout.
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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #5 on: May 13, 2018, 06:41:17 PM »
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  • This is scientific proof that heliocentrism is false.

    HC claims the sun's rays hit the earth in parallel.

    However, this cannot be seen anywhere ever.

    All sunbeams occur in one shape only: a pyramid. And these rays all have a single point of convergence at the sun.

    This also provably and visually demonstrates the closeness of the sun.

    HC is provably and utterly false.

    I saw a similar point being made regarding "hot spots" that one can see on top of clouds.

    Is it possible that some kind of atmospheric refraction would cause both these phenomena?

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #6 on: May 13, 2018, 08:45:52 PM »
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  • I saw a similar point being made regarding "hot spots" that one can see on top of clouds.

    Is it possible that some kind of atmospheric refraction would cause both these phenomena?
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    The flat-earther precept of "hot spots" as if they show something incriminating against the sphericity of earth is nonsense.
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    They usually raise this flag in reference to the sun's reflection on the ocean or other large body of water.
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    You can see such reflections in ANY convex surface.
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    Their approach to argument is quixotic.
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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 07:29:03 AM »
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    There you go again with your straw-man heliocentrism.
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    But otherwise you're all off, on the rest as well.
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    Maybe you've never heard of a laser beam.
    The one thing that differentiates a laser from other types of light is that the rays are all parallel to each other.
    There are other aspects too, but parallel rays are at the top of the list..
    "Any lamp" at a very great distance also shines with very nearly parallel rays.
    But the SHAPE of the lamp at great distance may not be discernible.
    This is shown by the fact that a small mirror can reflect the sun's light visible for 50 miles away.
    But the SHAPE of the mirror cannot be determined at that distance.
    .
    The (very nearly) parallel rays of the sun's light is an observable fact, which is useful for many observations.
    .
    The sun has a diameter, and as such, its rays are a little bit scattered since all parts of the sun shine similarly.
    This is why any object held up to sunlight casts a shadow that is a little bit fuzzy.
    The sun is not "a single point" but a circle with a measurable diameter, about 1/2 of one degree.
    Navigators have been in agreement on this fact for about 300 years, in case you missed it.
    If this is what you're referring to by "a pyramid" that's the wrong word. It should be "a cone."
    The sun's light through a small aperture emerges in a cone shape, not "a pyramid." The sun isn't a rectangle.
    Curiously, the small aperture can be in the shape of a square or an elongated rectangle or even a crescent, and you still get a cone pattern.
    .
    During a partial solar eclipse, the sun's image with a bite taken out of it, can be seen under the shadow of trees.
    That's because the tree leaves act as apertures between the leaves where the sunlight passes through.
    And the distance between each image is the same close to the tree as it is far away from the tree, showing that the sun's rays are parallel.
    Objective observation proves your statement false.
    .
    The great distance of the sun (approx. 92 million miles away) allows us to use its light AS IF it were parallel rays in many ways.
    But in some applications, a polarizing filter is beneficial to arrange the light in more parallel rays than without the filter.
    You can test this very simply by rotating two polarizing filters and watch the sunlight go from bright to almost blackout.
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    The sun is not a laser beam.
    Sunbeams are not parallel,  as they converge. Also, the distance between rays increases with distance from the sun until the beam completely diffuses and dissipates.
    Light does not go on forever, nor does it bend.
    A hotspot is caused by the shortest wavelength beam, and therefore the shortest distance. 


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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 08:05:46 AM »
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    The flat-earther precept of "hot spots" as if they show something incriminating against the sphericity of earth is nonsense.
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    They usually raise this flag in reference to the sun's reflection on the ocean or other large body of water.
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    You can see such reflections in ANY convex surface.
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    Their approach to argument is quixotic.
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    Explain scientifically how you can have a hot spot on top of the clouds if the sun is that far away.  I just wish you could be objective and not cloud everything with insults.  You assertion that it's "nonsense" and "quixotic" is decidedly unhelpful.  I want to see scientific information.


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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 10:30:57 PM »
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  • Explain scientifically how you can have a hot spot on top of the clouds if the sun is that far away.  I just wish you could be objective and not cloud everything with insults.  You assertion that it's "nonsense" and "quixotic" is decidedly unhelpful.  I want to see scientific information.
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    You can see for yourself using a spherical glass fishbowl, or a bottle, or even a toy balloon.
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    Shine a light on it and stand back to see the shape of the light's reflection on the surface. 
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    It's easy to turn on a lamp in an otherwise dark room for this. Look for the image of the lamp in the reflection.
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    Since the reflecting surface is curved and convex, the reflection will be smaller than if it were a flat mirror reflecting it. 
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    You can see this as well with a pair of reading glasses, which have a larger radius outside than inside the lens.
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    So the reflection of a lamp due to the front surface of the lens is a larger lamp, and due to the inside surface it's a smaller lamp.
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    Smaller lamp means a hot spot. 
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    This is why a person can have a "twinkle in the eye" because our eyeballs are convex.
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    Conversely, if you have access to a makeup mirror, which enlarges, you get the opposite effect.
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    The mirror is concave and so the reflected image is larger than the real object being reflected.
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    In between is a flat mirror, which gives an accurate 1-to-1 scale proportionately.
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    Again it makes no difference how far away the light source is.
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    All that matters is the diameter of the light (the sun is 1/2 degree for us on earth), the contour of the mirror (in this case it's the convex shape of the cloud surface or the convex shape of the ocean surface) and the distance to the viewer from the reflection. 
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    The further away the viewer is, the smaller the "hot spot" on the reflecting convex surface.
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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 10:44:50 PM »
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  • The sun is not a laser beam.
    Sunbeams are not parallel,  as they converge. Also, the distance between rays increases with distance from the sun until the beam completely diffuses and dissipates.
    Light does not go on forever, nor does it bend.
    A hotspot is caused by the shortest wavelength beam, and therefore the shortest distance.
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    I didn't say the sun is a laser beam. The principle of the laser is for parallel light rays, which you deny are possible.
    Same for polarizing filters. Which you don't like either.
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    Sunbeams are not precisely parallel, but at great distance they are so very CLOSE to parallel that it makes no difference, unless you're working with extremely sensitive equipment.
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    Sunbeams do not converge. They DIverge, if anything. You're thinking backwards apparently. About FACE!
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    The distance between rays increases with distance from the sun but they do not diffuse completely nor do they dissipate, unless they're shining through an obstacle like water or air. In outer space there is mostly vacuum.
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    Flat-earthers have this canard that light doesn't go on forever but you have no data, no formula, no evidence and no physics to back you up. It's just a canard.
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    What is your source for your statement, "a hotspot is caused by the shortest wavelength beam and therefore the shortest distance?"
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    How are wavelength and distance related?
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    As for light not bending, the next time you get a glass of water, stick a straw into it and look down to see the light bending inside the water. Happens every time. Light bends.
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    It bends consistently and instantaneously whenever it passes from a medium of one density into one of another density.
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    Re: There is no such thing as parallel sunbeams
    « Reply #11 on: May 27, 2018, 02:32:52 AM »
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    Looks like they threw in the towel on this one. Too steep to climb this hill, eh?
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