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Offline Dankward

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Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2022, 08:24:47 PM »
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  • Apples fall to the ground because they are denser than the air and less dense than the ground. This also explains why helium balloons float in the air and why giant cruise ships don't sink in the ocean. No need to posit an imaginary attractive force between the earth and physical objects.
    Density alone does not have a direction - so no vertical direction either. Gravity provides that orientation on earth. The pressure gradient in large liquid and gas systems like bodies of water, the atmosphere and so on, shows that matter is dragged down towards a center of mass, thus ordering itself.

    Take away gravity, and total chaos ensues:

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #46 on: February 18, 2022, 08:30:03 PM »
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  • Density alone does not have a direction - so no vertical direction either. Gravity provides that orientation on earth.

    First sentence is correct.  Second sentence is highly disputed even by mainstream scientists, with many holding that it's a function of thermodynamics.  Could also be electromagnetism causing matter to clump and our perception of "down" is based on the greatest area of density.  Could also be due to the flow of ether.

    Gravity theory has completely broken down and is being abandoned, as it's proven so false that scientists had to invent the notion of dark matter to keep it on life support.


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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #47 on: February 19, 2022, 07:15:15 AM »
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  • I don't believe gravity exists. There is absolutely no evidence that objects are drawn together just by virtue of them having mass.

    The term 'gravity' also covers the movements of the sun, moon and stars. What causes these movements is another question. Some Catholics attribute these movements to God's angels. However there is now evidence that electromagnetism cauises this 'gravity.' Einstein and physicists searched for such evidence but never found 'The theory of everythiong.' However Dominico Cassini (1615-1712), a geocentrist astronomer, hated by Newton's lot, found orbits were Cassinian ovals. He was unaware that such ovals are actually found in positive elecrtromagnet currents. Stellar aberration found that the orbital turning of the stars are fixed to the sun's orbit. Therefore even the stars turn in Cassinian ovals.
    But Cassini's findings - never challenged or disproved - included the fact that Newton's 'bulge' of the Earth does not exist. Newton's bulge was attributed to the evolution of the Earth.
    Now given Cassini disproved evolution and Newton's elliptical orbits of Kepler false, his science is not wanted by churchmen or modern scientists. But you cannot deny the evidence.

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #48 on: February 19, 2022, 07:59:56 AM »
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  • Science has been driven by an (openly) atheistic agenda since the "Enlightenment".  Newton was a Mason.  That's why people like Cassini were cast aside, since their work was not consistent with the agenda they were moving toward.

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #49 on: February 19, 2022, 10:18:23 AM »
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  • First sentence is correct.  Second sentence is highly disputed even by mainstream scientists, with many holding that it's a function of thermodynamics.  Could also be electromagnetism causing matter to clump and our perception of "down" is based on the greatest area of density.  Could also be due to the flow of ether.
    These are a lot of "coulds" - none of these theories nor their components (ether? thermodynamics cause acceleration towards masses?) has been substantiated into a hypothesis with falsifiable predictions and on first glance sounds a bit like a collection of fancy words.

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    causing matter to clump and our perception of "down" is based on the greatest area of density.
    You're getting pretty close to how gravity is described here, did you notice that? "Mass attracts mass", so great masses will have a great force of attraction. Or according to Einstein, mass bends the spacetime continuum, thus traveling through space in such a gravity well will appear to pull you towards the center of mass (acts as a force).


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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #50 on: February 19, 2022, 10:23:41 AM »
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  • But Cassini's findings - never challenged or disproved - included the fact that Newton's 'bulge' of the Earth does not exist. Newton's bulge was attributed to the evolution of the Earth.
    The ellipsoid nature of earth's shape - also called reference geoid in surveying, has been measured over and over again.

    Earth is a depressed spheroid. The usual explanation is the centrifugal force of the rotating earth, but I've also heard Geocentric explanations for it, although not very convincing.

    Reference ellipsoid nameEquatorial radius (m)Polar radius (m)Inverse flatteningWhere used
    Maupertuis (1738)6,397,3006,363,806.283191France
    Plessis (1817)6,376,523.06,355,862.9333308.64France
    Everest (1830)6,377,299.3656,356,098.359300.80172554India
    Everest 1830 Modified (1967)6,377,304.0636,356,103.0390300.8017West Malaysia & Singapore
    Everest 1830 (1967 Definition)6,377,298.5566,356,097.550300.8017Brunei & East Malaysia
    Airy (1830)6,377,563.3966,356,256.909299.3249646Britain
    Bessel (1841)6,377,397.1556,356,078.963299.1528128Europe, Japan
    Clarke (1866)6,378,206.46,356,583.8294.9786982North America
    Clarke (1878)6,378,1906,356,456293.4659980North America
    Clarke (1880)6,378,249.1456,356,514.870293.465France, Africa
    Helmert (1906)6,378,2006,356,818.17298.3Egypt
    Hayford (1910)6,378,3886,356,911.946297USA
    International (1924)6,378,3886,356,911.946297Europe
    Krassovsky (1940)6,378,2456,356,863.019298.3USSR, Russia, Romania
    WGS66 (1966)6,378,1456,356,759.769298.25USA/DoD
    Australian National (1966)6,378,1606,356,774.719298.25Australia
    New International (1967)6,378,157.56,356,772.2298.24961539
    GRS-67 (1967)6,378,1606,356,774.516298.247167427
    South American (1969)6,378,1606,356,774.719298.25South America
    WGS-72 (1972)6,378,1356,356,750.52298.26USA/DoD
    GRS-80 (1979)6,378,1376,356,752.3141298.257222101Global ITRS[4]
    WGS-84 (1984)6,378,1376,356,752.3142298.257223563Global GPS
    IERS (1989)6,378,1366,356,751.302298.257
    IERS (2003)[5]6,378,136.66,356,751.9298.25642[4]


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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #51 on: February 19, 2022, 10:49:51 AM »
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  • These are a lot of "coulds" - none of these theories nor their components (ether? thermodynamics cause acceleration towards masses?) has been substantiated into a hypothesis with falsifiable predictions and on first glance sounds a bit like a collection of fancy words.
    You're getting pretty close to how gravity is described here, did you notice that? "Mass attracts mass", so great masses will have a great force of attraction. Or according to Einstein, mass bends the spacetime continuum, thus traveling through space in such a gravity well will appear to pull you towards the center of mass (acts as a force).

    Yes, most of science is still "theory" and yet it's presented as fact.  No, mass doesn't attract anything.  Whether it's electromagnetism or nuclear forces or ether pressure, mass itself cannot act at a distance on mass, and that's acknowledged by many in mainstream science.

    It's not necessarily "attraction" either; it could be something (e.g. ether pressure) pushing things toward one another.

    It's the same with evolution.  Presented as proven fact to kids in school, but rejected by a lot of top academics.  There's an atheistic agenda at work here.  I saw an interview with a professed atheist academic who had the honesty to admit that only intelligent design makes sense, but then still couldn't pull the trigger on believing in God.  Yet school children are indoctrinated with evolution anyway, causing who knows how many to have lost the faith.

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #52 on: February 19, 2022, 01:15:00 PM »
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  • Yes, most of science is still "theory" and yet it's presented as fact.  No, mass doesn't attract anything.  Whether it's electromagnetism or nuclear forces or ether pressure, mass itself cannot act at a distance on mass, and that's acknowledged by many in mainstream science.
    That's first statement a false statement. Most of science consists of well tested and verifiable hypotheses with falsifiable predictions. The foundations are very strong. Only theoretical science and bleeding edge research can be called "still theory".
    Your second sentence is also not true, do you know about quantum entanglement? Two spatially distant particles are still coupled to each other and will react to each other. We can't yet explain how that works. So saying "mass itself cannot act at a distance on mass" is just a claim.

    Do you see a problem with just claiming things?

    Your last sentence is also just a claim, could you post a reference to back up your claim?

    It's not necessarily "attraction" either; it could be something (e.g. ether pressure) pushing things toward one another.
    Ether pressure is completely unsubstantiated - neither is ether demonstrated to exist, nor is there any form of pressure that would work similar to gravity.

    Another claim. Would you rather accept all of these "could be's" of yours which are mostly unsubstantiated, untested, not formalized nor peer reviewed by anyone, or the other possibility of well tested hypotheses, whose effects can be empirically observed?


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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #53 on: February 19, 2022, 01:19:48 PM »
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  • Your last sentence is also just a claim, could you post a reference to back up your claim?

    I've already posted a couple videos of top physicists rejecting gravity.


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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #54 on: February 19, 2022, 01:24:35 PM »
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  • Here's a simple classroom experiment:



    The fact that the Cavendish Rig can experience bidirectional rotation based on only one variable - moving the weights near the torsion bar assembly - eliminates air motion, “aether,” and electromagnetism as possibilities. The latter also is demonstrable that the effect is better observed based on density rather than how ferrous the weights are (I.e. it works better with lead than iron).

    And another one, you might want to skip to 11:25min when he explains the results.



    Density can't be responsible for this motion.

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #55 on: February 19, 2022, 01:37:35 PM »
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  • I've already posted a couple videos of top physicists rejecting gravity.


    He isn't questioning the effect of gravity, how it acts as a force on all matter and how it causes vertical acceleration on earth. The point in contention here is the cause of gravity, which neither Newton nor Einstein could fully explain yet. The "illusion" part is that it appears to be a force, yet actually you are moving along a curved line (geodesic) in spacetime which is bent by mass. So all current theories gloss over certain details, they don't explain the full cause yet, but are still the best explanations we have.

    I hope you understand the subtle difference between your claim and their claim? He explains that really well in his video with the temperature to gravity analogy.

    You're using this theoretical physicist who works with quantum mechanics to show that gravity might not exist at all? That doesn't make sense.


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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #56 on: February 19, 2022, 02:03:23 PM »
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  • Density alone does not have a direction - so no vertical direction either. Gravity provides that orientation on earth. The pressure gradient in large liquid and gas systems like bodies of water, the atmosphere and so on, shows that matter is dragged down towards a center of mass, thus ordering itself.

    Take away gravity, and total chaos ensues:

    Question for you: If you put two giant boulders a foot apart, would you expect them to move even a fraction of a centimeter toward each other, even given an unlimited time frame? I would assume that with masses this large, their gravitational attraction should be large enough to induce motion.

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #57 on: February 19, 2022, 03:08:17 PM »
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  • :facepalm: ... not the classroom Cavendish garbage again.

    This is the kindof stuff that completely discredits you guys.

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #58 on: February 19, 2022, 03:13:12 PM »
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  • Earth is a depressed spheroid. The usual explanation is the centrifugal force of the rotating earth, but I've also heard Geocentric explanations for it, although not very convincing.

    So, you're a heliocentrist and a heretic and not actually a Catholic?  Or do you even pretend to be a Christian of any stripe whatsoever?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: There is no Proof of theory of Gravity
    « Reply #59 on: February 19, 2022, 09:20:50 PM »
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  • Question for you: If you put two giant boulders a foot apart, would you expect them to move even a fraction of a centimeter toward each other, even given an unlimited time frame? I would assume that with masses this large, their gravitational attraction should be large enough to induce motion.
    Compare this to the Cavendish experiment - the force of friction between the ground/surface and the boulders will be much greater than the acceleration that the gravity between them produces.

    If you used such a boulder together with masses on a torsion bar - that works!