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Offline happenby

Re: The Shape of the Earth Is Not Important to the Faith.
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2018, 02:39:45 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on June 07, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
Scripture is silent on the shape of the earth and yet you still keep demanding to be shown from Scripture that the earth is a globe.

You keep making all the same wrong assertions no matter how many times you have them explained to you.

You are going against Church teaching and tradition while congratulating yourself that you are a better Catholic than anyone else.  It is very sad.
You were the one that said the Church accepted the globe when She never did.  You said it repeatedly. Rather than trying to snake out of what you do wrong, you twist the argument when put to the test.  Then you say it a second time telling me that I'm going against Church teaching and tradition.   Attempting to demean me in self congratulations is ridiculous and sounds like the cry of Triumphalism! from the Protestants. You've been given the opportunity for release from the clutches of the modern scientism that attacks God's truth and leads to slavery.  Attacking the messenger is common, but it isn't Catholic.      
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Offline happenby

Re: The Shape of the Earth Is Not Important to the Faith.
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2018, 02:45:28 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on June 07, 2018, 02:33:25 PM
He did say "earth".  
"heaven is like a sphere and the EARTH is enclosed by it"

"heaven like a disk above the EARTH covers it over on one side"
Modern geocentrism doesn't teach earth is enclosed by the heavens, but by the vacuum of space.  It doesn't even recognize the firmament, but dismisses it as unknowable.  How can Augustine think earth is a sphere if heaven covers the earth on one side?  Obviously, he is describing a dome.  Again, your attempts to prove what you want to believe has failed for the umpteenth time. 
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Offline Jaynek

Re: The Shape of the Earth Is Not Important to the Faith.
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2018, 02:47:03 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 06, 2018, 09:57:59 PM
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Good thing then we're focusing on what's really important for us.
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Didn't you say you were going to give flat-earthism a break, Jaynek?  What happened?  
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Matthew's detox suggestion didn't work, eh?   ;D
You are right.  I need a break.

I have done as much as is possible for a lay person to do.  These people need to be told by someone in authority that they are engaging in personal interpretations of Scripture that go against Church teaching and that they must stop.  But, due to the Crisis, that is not going to happen.

Other than the Patristic period, there is no evidence of flat earth Catholics before Vatican II.  The flat earth revival that started in the 1800s only happened among Protestants because we had shepherds that could prevent such nonsense then.  But now there is a state of chaos.  The sheep are scattered and come up with scatter-brained ideas.

I have presented the truth to the best of my ability and now these people are responsible for their willful blindness.
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Offline aryzia

Re: The Shape of the Earth Is Not Important to the Faith.
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2018, 03:14:52 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on June 07, 2018, 02:47:03 PM
You are right.  I need a break.

I have done as much as is possible for a lay person to do.  These people need to be told by someone in authority that they are engaging in personal interpretations of Scripture that go against Church teaching and that they must stop.  But, due to the Crisis, that is not going to happen.

Other than the Patristic period, there is no evidence of flat earth Catholics before Vatican II.  The flat earth revival that started in the 1800s only happened among Protestants because we had shepherds that could prevent such nonsense then.  But now there is a state of chaos.  The sheep are scattered and come up with scatter-brained ideas.

I have presented the truth to the best of my ability and now these people are responsible for their willful blindness.
Take your medicine first
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: The Shape of the Earth Is Not Important to the Faith.
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2018, 07:17:14 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on June 07, 2018, 02:47:03 PM
You are right.  I need a break.

I have done as much as is possible for a lay person to do.  These people need to be told by someone in authority that they are engaging in personal interpretations of Scripture that go against Church teaching and that they must stop.  But, due to the Crisis, that is not going to happen.

Other than the Patristic period, there is no evidence of flat earth Catholics before Vatican II.  The flat earth revival that started in the 1800s only happened among Protestants because we had shepherds that could prevent such nonsense then.  But now there is a state of chaos.  The sheep are scattered and come up with scatter-brained ideas.

I have presented the truth to the best of my ability and now these people are responsible for their willful blindness.
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I'm saying that out of concern for your own peace of mind. Your posts have been edifying not only for their content but for your patience in presenting them. I'm thinking that this enduring patience could wear thin. Having some time off could help, especially if you could seek material and a setting where you won't be attacked over each point. 
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Perhaps looking over the responses from our Catholic shepherds in the 19th cent. against the Protestant flat-earthers would be a relaxing experience. It might be fun to imagine what it would be like to have the protection of an informed and holy hierarchy.
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