Author Topic: The only thing a Flat Earther fears - a sphere itself (Read 2151 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #15 on:** May 16, 2018, 04:15:26 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 16, 2018, 01:24:06 AM

Interesting picture. I can't quite make out what is supposed to be 140 miles away and what 190 miles away. At 140 miles away (starting at an elevation of 500 feet), 8400+ feet should be hidden from view by curvature; at 190 miles, 17,600+ feet. I doubt that refraction could explain this.

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No refraction is needed for an explanation. There doesn't seem to be any refraction going on, not unusual for cold climates.
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You're not using the curvature calculation correctly.
The elevation of the viewer is (supposedly) 500 feet (actually it's probably more like 550 feet but we'll ignore the 50' of error.)
The distance to Denali is not 140 miles (the correct distance is 120) because the flat-earther's scribbling on the photo is wrong.
Check the maps. It's 120 miles.
Therefore, using an accurate calculator that takes these into account, such as this one, you get:
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5,720 ft obscured.
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Take that away from 20,310 ft and you have 14,690 ft visible -- well within reasonable in the picture shown, especially considering the base of Denali mountain range is right about the same as the obscured calculated. (The peaks of the Dutch Hills at Denali's base are 4,500 ft tall and they're not visible in the photo, because they're under the curvature horizon.)
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The only thing flat-earthers have to fear is sphere itself.

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Smedley Butler · « **Reply #16 on:** May 16, 2018, 06:10:54 PM »

Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 16, 2018, 03:32:30 PM

I thought it was mildly funny.

I regret saying this now in light of the further actions after his joke.
It really isn't funny at all now.
Seems the one who fears is the globe idiots.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2018, 01:07:04 AM »

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Here's a promo page for Hilltop Ski Area with a video that shows frames that include the same backdrop of Denali in the distance:
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http://www.alaska.org/detail/hilltop-ski-area
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A boy about 5 years old expresses his affection for visiting Hilltop outside nearby Anchorage, AK.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2018, 02:02:48 AM »

Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 16, 2018, 06:10:54 PM

I regret saying this now in light of the further actions after his joke.
It really isn't funny at all now.
Seems the one who fears is the globe idiots.

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You mean the further actions a month ago after this joke, which you missed?
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All flat-earthers have to fear is sphere itself.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2018, 02:09:03 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on May 16, 2018, 11:24:23 AM

I think this is one piece of evidence that at least SOME "Flat Earthers" have zero sense of humor. He didn't even acknowledge the joke! He acts like a bot programmed to convert the world to flat earth. I'm not saying he is a bot, but if there were such a bot, it would act the same way: ignoring any humor, staying 100% on task, always working on the mission to convert the world.

I post a joke, and here "Truth is Eternal" dives in to Flat Earth argumentation. Give me a break! Chill out already. You take your pet crusade FAR too seriously.

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It certainly looks like they ALL have zero sense of humor.
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They try to make up for that by using smileys:

(That way, other flat-earthers know when to laugh.

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Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2018, 09:38:43 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 17, 2018, 02:09:03 AM

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It certainly looks like they ALL have zero sense of humor.
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They try to make up for that by using smileys: (That way, other flat-earthers know when to laugh. )

You all don't have to worry; I did find this topic humorous. ;D

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2018, 10:23:21 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 17, 2018, 09:38:43 AM

You all don't have to worry; I did find this topic humorous. ;D

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Yeah, like everyone is worried whether or not you think you have a sense of humor! HAHAHAHA

All flat-earthers have to fear is sphere itself.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2018, 10:26:23 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 18, 2018, 10:23:21 PM

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Yeah, like everyone is worried whether or not you think you have a sense of humor! HAHAHAHA

All flat-earthers have to fear is sphere itself.

I wasn't laughing at myself. ;D

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2018, 02:40:56 AM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal on May 18, 2018, 10:26:23 PM

I wasn't laughing at myself. ;D

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You must have missed the joke then because the joke's on you.
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The only thing flat-earthers have to phear is'phere itself.

:cheers:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** May 19, 2018, 02:47:27 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 16, 2018, 04:15:26 PM

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No refraction is needed for an explanation.
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There doesn't seem to be any refraction going on, not unusual for cold climates.
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You're not using the curvature calculation correctly.
The elevation of the viewer is (supposedly) 500 feet (actually it's probably more like 550 feet but we'll ignore the 50' of error.)
The distance to Denali is not 140 miles (the correct distance is 120) because the flat-earther's scribbling on the photo is wrong.
Check the maps. It's 120 miles.
Therefore, using an accurate calculator that takes these into account, such as this one, you get:
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5,720 ft obscured by earth's curvature.
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Take that away from 20,310 ft and you have 14,690 ft visible -- well within reasonable in the picture shown, especially considering the base of Denali mountain range is right about the same as the obscured calculated. (The peaks of the Dutch Hills at Denali's base are 4,500 ft tall and they're not visible in the photo, since 5,720 ft are obscured under curvature at the horizon.)

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The only thing flat-earthers have to fear is sphere itself.

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Looks like Ladislaus threw in the towel on this one.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #25 on:** May 19, 2018, 09:45:47 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 19, 2018, 02:40:56 AM

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You must have missed the joke then because the joke's on you.
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The only thing flat-earthers have to phear is'phere itself.
:cheers:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #26 on:** May 21, 2018, 04:38:41 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 19, 2018, 02:47:27 AM

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The only thing flat-earthers have to fear is sphere itself.
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Looks like Ladislaus threw in the towel on this one.

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He knows when he's been bested, at least.

Meg · « **Reply #27 on:** May 21, 2018, 09:58:31 AM »

I don't see why humor is so important to the issue. I don't see a sense of humor on other subjects, such as sedevacantism. To me, the sedevacantists lack humor. They tend to be very serious, but that's okay. I don't expect them to joke about it.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2018, 03:06:27 AM »

Quote from: Meg on May 21, 2018, 09:58:31 AM

I don't see why humor is so important to the issue. I don't see a sense of humor on other subjects, such as sedevacantism. To me, the sedevacantists lack humor. They tend to be very serious, but that's okay. I don't expect them to joke about it.

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Some day when you realize how ridiculous flat-earthism is, you'll look back at this and laugh.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2018, 03:08:16 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 16, 2018, 04:15:26 PM

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Quote from: Ladislaus on May 15, 2018, 11:24:06 PM
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Interesting picture. I can't quite make out what is supposed to be 140 miles away and what [is] 190 miles away. At 140 miles away (starting at an elevation of 500 feet), 8400+ feet should be hidden from view by curvature; at 190 miles, 17,600+ feet.
I doubt that refraction could explain this.
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No refraction is needed for an explanation.
There doesn't seem to be any refraction going on, not unusual for cold climates.
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You're not using the curvature calculation correctly.
The elevation of the viewer is (supposedly) 500 feet (actually it's probably more like 550 feet but we'll ignore the 50' of error).
The distance to Denali is 120 miles not 140 miles (the correct distance is 120) because the flat-earther's scribbling on the photo is wrong. The "190 miles" arrow is nonsense, because nothing in the photo is that far away.
Check the maps. It's 120 miles.
Therefore, using an accurate calculator that takes these into account, such as this one, you get:
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5,720 ft obscured.
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Take that away from 20,310 ft and you have 14,690 ft visible -- well within reasonable in the picture shown, especially considering the base of Denali mountain range is right about the same as the obscured calculated. (The peaks of the Dutch Hills at Denali's base are 4,500 ft tall and they're not visible in the photo, because they're under the curvature's horizon.)
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The only thing flat-earthers have to fear is sphere itself.
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Still no reply from Ladislaus. He's hoping we won't notice but guess what?

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