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Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
« Reply #90 on: February 10, 2018, 05:55:21 PM »
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  • "The first human record of an eclipse was made in 2136 B.C., and over hundreds of years of advanced sky watching, the Chinese became very adept at predicting lunar eclipses."

    https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #91 on: February 10, 2018, 05:56:33 PM »
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  • "Chinese astronomy is fascinating in that it developed largely clear of the Indo-European sphere and developed its own particular methods and nuances. The Chinese were meticulous in keeping astronomical records, enabling modern historians to establish that Chinese astronomy remained largely unchanged from 1800 BCE onwards."

    https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #92 on: February 10, 2018, 05:58:33 PM »
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  • "The main job of the Chinese astronomers was to chart time, announce the first day of every month and predict lunar eclipses. If they were wrong in their predictions, then they were often beheaded!"

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #93 on: February 10, 2018, 06:02:10 PM »
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  • live beheading in china   :jester:
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #94 on: February 10, 2018, 06:06:07 PM »
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  • We’ve been predicting eclipses for over 2000 years. Here’s how.
    The article described ancient peoples who discovered a regular interval between eclipses and used it to predict future eclipses.  This is not the same as using a flat earth model to predict eclipses.  The predictions are based on timing and are independent of their cosmological model.  It is not comparable to the way that Ptolemy's model predicted eclipses.

    Eric Dubay, while claiming to be an expert in this field, falsely described Ptolemy's model as having a flat earth.  He is either an ignorant person lying about his expertise or knew he was lying about the model.  He has no credibility after this. There is no reason to watch his videos other than to debunk them.


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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #95 on: February 10, 2018, 06:12:09 PM »
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  • The article described ancient peoples who discovered a regular interval between eclipses and used it to predict future eclipses.  This is not the same as using a flat earth model to predict eclipses.  The predictions are based on timing and are independent of their cosmological model.  It is not comparable to the way that Ptolemy's model predicted eclipses.

    Eric Dubay, while claiming to be an expert in this field, falsely described Ptolemy's model as having a flat earth.  He is either an ignorant person lying about his expertise or knew he was lying about the model.  He has no credibility after this. There is no reason to watch his videos other than to debunk them.
    The point is that The Chinese, believing in Flat Earth until the 17th Century were able to accurately predict eclipses.  

    You implied that you couldn't have a Flat Earth Cosmology and accurately predict eclipses.  There is overwhelming proof from Chinese History that that is incorrect.  You can accurately predict eclipses with a Flat Earth Cosmology Jayne.  
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #96 on: February 10, 2018, 06:19:09 PM »
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  • Thanks for pointing out the error with Ptolemy though.  And, I already knew Eric Dubay was a Pagan, but then again (like Seven has pointed out) this is science, not necessarily religion. 

    I think it is o.k. to get help from Pagans and even Fornicators when it comes to things like putting a roof on a house or snaking a drain.  Do you Jayne?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #97 on: February 10, 2018, 06:23:39 PM »
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  • And if I only listened to people who were perfect and never made any mistakes, then I wouldn't listen to anyone Jayne  ::)
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #98 on: February 10, 2018, 06:26:21 PM »
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  • I think, Telescopes have made Astronomical Predictions more accurate, than they used to be, not Heliocentrism and Globe Earth.  
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    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #99 on: February 10, 2018, 06:30:20 PM »
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  • .
    But what about "two wrongs don't make a right?" Maybe then three do.
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    Ah, and here we have the philosophy of a globalist. 

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #100 on: February 10, 2018, 07:06:57 PM »
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  • The point is that The Chinese, believing in Flat Earth until the 17th Century were able to accurately predict eclipses.  

    You implied that you couldn't have a Flat Earth Cosmology and accurately predict eclipses.  There is overwhelming proof from Chinese History that that is incorrect.  You can accurately predict eclipses with a Flat Earth Cosmology Jayne.  
    I said: "can anybody produce a genuine flat earth model that predicts eclipses? "  I do not see how that implies what you said.

    The reason I asked is that being able to make accurate predictions is an important criterion in evaluating a theoretical model.  As far as I know there is no flat earth model that can predict eclipses or anything else.  

    A flat earth model would do far more than assert that the earth is flat.  It would give a size for the earth, distance from the sun moon and stars, their size, how much light they emit, etc.  It would have all the details filled in such that one could calculate future movements of heavenly bodies.  Its success at doing this would be one indicator of its strength as a model. By comparing it against other models, one could determine whether it was as good as they are.

    I have not really looked hard since that is not my area of interest, but I have not come across any fleshed out flat earth models that one could evaluate this way.  But if there were one, I would have expected it to come up in the discussion by now.


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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #101 on: February 10, 2018, 07:16:10 PM »
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  • Thanks for pointing out the error with Ptolemy though.  And, I already knew Eric Dubay was a Pagan, but then again (like Seven has pointed out) this is science, not necessarily religion.

    I think it is o.k. to get help from Pagans and even Fornicators when it comes to things like putting a roof on a house or snaking a drain.  Do you Jayne?  

    I have been saying all along that one ought to determine what is true and what is not in the ideas of pagans and accept what is true.  That was the position of St. Augustine which became that of the entire Church.

    But several flat-earthers have claimed that it is wrong to believe in spherical earth because the idea originated among pagans or because it is currently believed by secular humanists. I have never seen you express disagreement with them.  

    I was not saying that the fact that a man of such disturbing beliefs as Eric Dubay promotes flat earth proves it is not true.  I was saying that flat-earthers need to be consistent on what they say about pagans.  Either it is acceptable to sift the beliefs of pagans to find what is true or it is not acceptable.  One needs to apply the same standard to pagans who believe in globe earth as those who believe in flat earth.

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #102 on: February 11, 2018, 09:47:25 AM »
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  • There are white supremacists who support the President. Who cares? Does that mean you shouldn't support the President? 

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #103 on: February 12, 2018, 03:14:16 AM »
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  • I have been saying all along that one ought to determine what is true and what is not in the ideas of pagans and accept what is true.  That was the position of St. Augustine which became that of the entire Church.

    But several flat-earthers have claimed that it is wrong to believe in spherical earth because the idea originated among pagans or because it is currently believed by secular humanists. I have never seen you express disagreement with them.  

    I was not saying that the fact that a man of such disturbing beliefs as Eric Dubay promotes flat earth proves it is not true.  I was saying that flat-earthers need to be consistent on what they say about pagans.  Either it is acceptable to sift the beliefs of pagans to find what is true or it is not acceptable.  One needs to apply the same standard to pagans who believe in globe earth as those who believe in flat earth.
    Yeah, o.k., I kinda see what you mean, it's just that Copernicus, for example, was deep into the occult and it appears to have affected his thinking about cosmology.  Eric Dubay's thinking, on the other hand, seems to be promoting an Old Testament model of cosmology without apology, while at the same time, his Eastern religious training does seem to affect his views on things like:  what causes tides on a flat earth, for example.  So, to my mind, there does seem to be a difference of degrees.  Although, I get your point and I further agree that someone's religion/lifestyle/politics/culture colors the way they see The World.  We are, none of us, entirely objective;  we all have our biases and prejudices.  

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #104 on: February 12, 2018, 03:24:53 AM »
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  • There are white supremacists who support the President. Who cares? Does that mean you shouldn't support the President?
    The evil women of the white supremacist kkk fried chicken and watermelon gang  :jester:


    They wept tears of joy after the election of Billy Graham to Grand Wizard of Alabama and Andy Griffith to President of The Cub Scouts  :jester:
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."