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Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2018, 04:56:56 PM »
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  • The "sphericity" is not obvious nor is it demonstrated anywhere, 
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    Wrong. The sphericity of the globe earth is obvious for anyone with eyes to see and a mind to think.
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    It is demonstrated everywhere you look, as I have posted many times but you must have not paid attention.
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    Yes, scientifically. Maybe you don't know what scientifically means. Perhaps you should look it up sometime.
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    There is no curvature observed anywhere, not visually and not mathematically and not measurably.
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    Wrong again. There is curvature in every direction, all the time, day and night, 4 seasons, in every kind of weather.
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    There is curvature visually, mathematically and measurably. No question about it.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #46 on: January 14, 2018, 04:58:46 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    The troll is back, posting the same thing for the what, 100th time? 
    -- The same dull nonsense which is false from beginning to end.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #47 on: January 14, 2018, 05:03:00 PM »
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    Skip to minute 14 (easy to remember because....) where it shows 14 cubic cm of water in a beaker which is the scale model volume of all the water on the surface of planet earth (all the oceans, lakes, icebergs, snowpack, rivers and plumbing systems).
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #48 on: January 14, 2018, 06:12:06 PM »
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    Or skip to minute 21 where it has this:
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    From 1000 km up (about 620 miles), where Earth is 120 degrees across in your field of view, you can just start to see Earth as a complete disc right in front of you at once. However, only 7% of Earth fits within the horizon from that altitude. Images of Earth taken by satellites this far up, like the Suomi NPP, look kind of weird. North America doesn't actually take up this much (image at 21:47) of the globe. Earth's 120-degree width has been compressed (by the fact of altitude and its effect on perspective view) to fit in an image much narrower.
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    Vsauce uses an unfortunate choice of words here. This "compression" to which he refers is not an artificial or "CGI" application of fake distortion, but rather it is a direct result of a 120-degree view being visible on a computer screen, or any flat screen or panel (such as a billboard or a drive-in movie screen or an I-Max screen). 120 degrees leaves only 30 degrees on the left, right, top and bottom, short of 180 degrees.
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    In other words, it's not a falsification of reality but an honest attempt to render for view on your screen exactly what you would see if you were there looking at Earth from 1000 km altitude.
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    If you know anything about photography, in order to get a 120-degree field of view in one photograph you need to use a wide angle lens, because a normal lens has less field of view. A wide field of view starts around 84 degrees and increases from there. But we want 120 degrees to cover this view from 1000 km altitude. That's 36 degrees greater than 84 degrees, so it's a really wide angle.
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    As it was shown a few minutes before, 120 degrees is about the limit of your natural visual field of view up and down. Without obstructions (such as cheek bones, eyebrows, glasses) you can only see a maximum of 120 degrees up and down. Therefore, from 1000 km altitude (such as the Suomi NPP satellite), the full field of view encompassing the visible Earth from that height would entirely fill your visual field from top (eyebrows) to bottom (cheek bones). The only reason you would be able to see empty black space (provided the sun isn't there!) to the right and to the left is because you have TWO EYES and they are side-by-side. Vsauce doesn't mention this detail.
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    In short, if you were there at 1000 km altitude looking at Earth, you would have to turn your head right and left, up and down, to see the edges of the horizon comfortably. If you were to face Earth without turning your head, your eyes could just barely see the horizon of Earth at the top and at the bottom and beyond that you would not see any black, empty space. The Earth's horizon would touch the limits of your vision up and down. From right to left there would be a small amount of black, empty space beyond the horizon of Earth in your peripheral vision, but you would not be able to turn your eyes far enough to directly look at it. You would have to turn your head to see it clearly.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #49 on: January 14, 2018, 06:23:07 PM »
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    Quiz question!
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    From an altitude of 620 miles elevation (1000 km), the height to which you would need to rise in order to get a clear view of the entire planet Earth, with all points of its horizon within view at one time, a height which has a viewing angle of 120 degrees, what is the percent of the Earth's surface that you would be able to see all at once?
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #50 on: January 14, 2018, 06:26:31 PM »
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    Only 7% of Earth fits within the horizon from that altitude.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #51 on: January 14, 2018, 08:45:47 PM »
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    Why do you insist on pejoratives every time your false hypothesis of flat-earthism is shown for its errors?
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    Any decent and honest scholar of ancient literature (not a proper noun) will affirm the Bible does not depict a "flat" earth (not a proper noun).
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    Who?  
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #52 on: January 14, 2018, 09:02:16 PM »
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  • Still learning how to click on the title of a post link, eh? 
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    It reads like this:
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    Who?  
    How persistently dumb can you be!  You are willfully ignorant. 

    Any decent and honest scholar of Ancient Literature will affirm, that The Bible does indeed depict a Stationary and Flat Earth.  
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    Why do you insist on pejoratives every time your false hypothesis of flat-earthism is shown for its errors?
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    Any decent and honest scholar of ancient literature (not a proper noun) will affirm the Bible does not depict a "flat" earth (not a proper noun).
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #53 on: January 14, 2018, 09:31:12 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    This again? How wrong can you be? Let me count the ways......
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    How many times do you plan to re-post the same (incorrect) thing?
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    My answer still applies, and you have still not responded.
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    I was quoting text from your own buddy's website, but you missed that altogether.
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

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    Wrong. As usual.
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    The horizon does not appear perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer, made clear by the word "around" since the view is a circular one, not a flat one. And the higher the viewer rises the larger the view, which describes the outlook from the top of a great sphere, not a plane.
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    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

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    Wrong, again. So what else is new?
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    The horizon does not "rise" anywhere. The horizon stays right where it is. When you look at things, whatever they are, they don't move by the fact of you looking at them. You're confusing your own subjective movement with the the object seen. The horizon isn't rising, but your view is lowering, as you cast your eyes down toward the horizon. 
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    Nor would you ever know that's happening because you are not using any instrument to check the level of your line of sight.
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    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense. 

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    And again, you're wrong.
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    You keep posting this nonsense about the "natural physics of water" without any reference or authority. What is your source? Have you conducted experiments to test your hypothesis? Whose definition of water or physics are you using? 
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    Water, like any fluid, seeks to conform to the confines of its container. The bottom of a lake is shaped like the ground it covers, which becomes seen when the lake dries up. The perimeter of a lake is measured manually on a map by the use of a planimeter (see illustration), a simple (yet complex) device that incorporates the calculus integral continuously to measure the area bounded by the confines of an irregular closed area, like the plan view of a lake's shoreline. This is how technicians of old estimated the volume of water in a lake with changing elevation.
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     a planimeter in use on a map of a lake
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #54 on: January 15, 2018, 12:37:21 PM »
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  • Still learning how to click on the title of a post link, eh?
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    It reads like this:
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    Why do you insist on pejoratives every time your false hypothesis of flat-earthism is shown for its errors?
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    Any decent and honest scholar of ancient literature (not a proper noun) will affirm the Bible does not depict a "flat" earth (not a proper noun).
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    Are you kidding?  You seem to have nothing to back up your argument, except that you don't like Flat Earth.  That seems biased or even bigoted to me. 
     
    Your opinion seems to be based on nothing more than emotion and prejudice.  Are you just scared of Flat Earth?  It seems like it.  That's kind of pathetic, for a Catholic to be threatened by Flat Earth, especially to such a degree that you are compelled to spend hours and hours spamming and even harrassing Catholics who just want to share what they've learned about it.  

    First, you should have better things to do with your time;  you should be developing the talents God has given you and using them to some constructive purpose.  What you're doing now is certainly not Godly;  it seems full of fear and even hate.  I'm ashamed of the way you've behaved.  I'm sure I am not unique in that regard.  

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #55 on: January 16, 2018, 10:39:05 AM »
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  • Enoch says the moon receives 1/7 of its light from the sun.  So, some of the moon's light comes from the sun, but most of it is of the moon itself.  My personal experiments with moonlight show is not cold because of the surrounding air, but it is cold by itself.  I've tested it on warm nights, hot nights, cold nights, and the moon consistently shines down a temperature near zero degrees.  Also, moonlight is different than sunlight in other ways, so it can't be the same light.  

    It's interesting that your tests show that moonlight is always at near zero degrees. 

    Yes, moonlight seems very different from that of sunlight. If the moon is just reflecting sunlight, then I have to wonder why the light is a pure white hue, rather than yellow in hue, as the sun's light is. I'm not convinced that the moon is emitting its own light, but it doesn't seem quite right that it's reflecting sunlight either. 

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #56 on: January 16, 2018, 02:56:26 PM »
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  • Are you kidding?  You seem to have nothing to back up your argument, except that you don't like Flat Earth.  That seems biased or even bigoted to me.
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    Nothing to back up my argument, you say? You must not have read my posts.
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    Or else your refusal to answer my questions or to make the observations I have introduced carries over to you impudence.
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    What I don't like is the obvious falsity of flat-earthism, the proofs against which are all around us.
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    Your opinion seems to be based on nothing more than emotion and prejudice.  Are you just scared of Flat Earth?  It seems like it.  That's kind of pathetic, for a Catholic to be threatened by Flat Earth, especially to such a degree that you are compelled to spend hours and hours spamming and even harrassing Catholics who just want to share what they've learned about it.  
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    What do you know about my motives? Actually, if you had read what I wrote you would know, so you must not have read it.
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    Or, if you have read it, then it is your motives that are up for criticism, not mine.
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    Because you certainly seem to be very afraid of the truth, the truth of the sphericity of Earth.
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    It would be great if you would stop harassing (note proper spelling) me. Consider that a polite invitation.
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    And it would be great if you could provide any reasonable answer to the numerous questions flat-earthers can't answer so far.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #57 on: January 16, 2018, 03:54:54 PM »
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  • Your opinion seems to be based on nothing more than emotion and prejudice.  Are you just scared of Flat Earth?  It seems like it.  That's kind of pathetic, for a Catholic to be threatened by Flat Earth, especially to such a degree that you are compelled to spend hours and hours spamming and even harrassing Catholics who just want to share what they've learned about it.  
      
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    You're confused. You must be thinking of the emotionalism and prejudice of flat-earthers.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #58 on: January 16, 2018, 11:32:35 PM »
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    Nothing to back up my argument, you say? You must not have read my posts.
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    Or else your refusal to answer my questions or to make the observations I have introduced carries over to you impudence.
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    What I don't like is the obvious falsity of flat-earthism, the proofs against which are all around us.
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    What do you know about my motives? Actually, if you had read what I wrote you would know, so you must not have read it.
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    Or, if you have read it, then it is your motives that are up for criticism, not mine.
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    Because you certainly seem to be very afraid of the truth, the truth of the sphericity of Earth.
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    It would be great if you would stop harassing (note proper spelling) me. Consider that a polite invitation.
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    And it would be great if you could provide any reasonable answer to the numerous questions flat-earthers can't answer so far.
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    I don't think you are sincere.  
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #59 on: January 17, 2018, 10:23:44 AM »
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    Wrong. The sphericity of the globe earth is obvious for anyone with eyes to see and a mind to think.
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    It is demonstrated everywhere you look, as I have posted many times but you must have not paid attention.
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    Yes, scientifically. Maybe you don't know what scientifically means. Perhaps you should look it up sometime.
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    Try "the Scientific Method" for starters.
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    Wrong again. There is curvature in every direction, all the time, day and night, 4 seasons, in every kind of weather.
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    There is curvature visually, mathematically and measurably. No question about it.
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    Sir.  You say 'there is curvature in all these ways'!  Yet, reality proves you wrong.  Construction over the centuries and the orders to build across long stretches of continents prove curvature was never factored in.  To the point that engineers complained to their authorities, "Hey! If there's a curve, we have to comply with that."  To which they were repeated told, over and over again, "Build on the level only."
    This alone is so damning against the pretense of curvature, there is no further discussion of the possibility of earth being a globe.