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Offline Smedley Butler

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Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2018, 08:40:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 10, 2018, 10:23:14 PM
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    Please provide a picture showing how the full moon appears as such from all parts of the "flat" earth.
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    Maybe your problem is you can't understand why the moon has phases in the first place.
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    The moon is a ball, not earth.
    Hence, the shadow on the moon caused by the sun looks the same from all points and is mirror-imaged in the south.
    THere are many pictures illustrating this.
    In the Wiki entry, you can see a timelapse of the sun rising and setting over the moon, causing the shadow to pass from left to right as I previously described.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #31 on: January 11, 2018, 11:07:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 11, 2018, 08:40:30 AM
    The moon is a ball, not earth.
    Hence, the shadow on the moon caused by the sun looks the same from all points and is mirror-imaged in the south.
    THere are many pictures illustrating this.
    In the Wiki entry, you can see a timelapse of the sun rising and setting over the moon, causing the shadow to pass from left to right as I previously described.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase
    In the link I posted you can also see the timelapse of the mirror image reversal of the shadow taken from the southern hemisphere. 
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #32 on: January 11, 2018, 11:50:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 11, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
    In the link I posted you can also see the timelapse of the mirror image reversal of the shadow taken from the southern hemisphere.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #33 on: January 12, 2018, 08:45:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 11, 2018, 11:50:05 AM

    Funny your silly vsauce video actually confirms two flat earth claims:
    1. That the ISS is not very high up.
    2. That the windows of the ISS distort the astronauts view and show too much curvature. 
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #34 on: January 12, 2018, 09:05:20 AM »
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    • He ends with "We're an ignorable emptiness that no one knows we're here."


    There you have it: the end result of ball earth and heliocentrism is nihilism.


    Good job, Neil! Way to lead people to the faith. Keep promoting those satanic errors of yours and Jaynek's.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #35 on: January 12, 2018, 11:38:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 12, 2018, 09:05:20 AM
    He ends with "We're an ignorable emptiness that no one knows we're here."


    There you have it: the end result of ball earth and heliocentrism is nihilism.


    Good job, Neil! Way to lead people to the faith. Keep promoting those satanic errors of yours and Jaynek's.

    Well said.

    What also strikes me about that video is that the narrator is so absolutely sure about his little and big scientific details. These guys believe that science has it all figured out, down to the last atomic detail. It's like a religion to them. 
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #36 on: January 12, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 12, 2018, 11:38:26 AM
    Well said.

    What also strikes me about that video is that the narrator is so absolutely sure about his little and big scientific details. These guys believe that science has it all figured out, down to the last atomic detail. It's like a religion to them.
    Oh yeah, what do they need God for, they already know "everything" and of course, their everything tells them there is no god/he's nuts.  
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #37 on: January 13, 2018, 10:36:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 12, 2018, 08:45:28 AM
    Funny your silly vsauce video actually confirms two flat earth claims:
    1. That the ISS is not very high up.
    2. That the windows of the ISS distort the astronauts view and show too much curvature.
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    Not very high up? So how often have you been up as high as the ISS?
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    What it's showing is that what would seem to be "not very high up" when viewed to scale, is in fact very high up.
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    What it's showing is that in order to legibly depict what is being described exaggeration is necessary.
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    The part that leaves most first-timers scratching their heads is the tiny beaker of water that holds all the water on the earth when the earth is viewed as a correspondingly small model like a desktop globe.
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    It's not even enough water to take a drink, but it's all the water on the whole planet.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #38 on: January 13, 2018, 10:43:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 12, 2018, 09:05:20 AM
    He ends with "We're an ignorable emptiness that no one knows we're here."


    There you have it: the end result of ball earth and heliocentrism is nihilism.


    Good job, Neil! Way to lead people to the faith. Keep promoting those satanic errors of yours and Jaynek's.
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    Congratulations for skipping to the end.
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    Now go back and watch the whole thing.
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    This guy's conclusions are unwarranted where he tries to sum it all up, but the demonstrations he provides of the scale of the earth and the view of the ISS is very informative. I don't like his STYLE (he speaks rather effeminately) and I don't agree with his conclusions at the end. But the points he makes along the way are quite valid ----- until the last minute or two.
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    It's a nice brief tour of how modern atheists have abused the facts and findings of modern science.
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    But they wouldn't have such an open season on truth if it were not for the inanity of flat-earthers, for example.
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    Flat-earthism is so obviously nuts, it's a shame that's being tied to Scripture, because it brings disrepute to God's word.
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    The Bible does not say the earth is "flat" anywhere. And your insistence on that lie is quite dangerous in our time when the sphericity of the globe is obvious and widely observable without any fancy equipment.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #39 on: January 13, 2018, 10:47:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: WholeFoodsTrad on January 12, 2018, 10:01:01 PM
    Oh yeah, what do they need God for, they already know "everything" and of course, their everything tells them there is no god/he's nuts.  
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    Thank you for pointing out this video's flaws. I agree, it is concluded in a very damaging way for science when viewed from the point of faith.
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    So try to imagine how much damage you're doing to the faith of Catholics when you say the Bible teaches the earth is "flat" (which it doesn't).
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    You're doing the same kind of disservice to religion that this "vsauce" dude is doing to science by way of his CONCLUSIONS.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #40 on: January 13, 2018, 11:08:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 11, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
    In the link I posted you can also see the timelapse of the mirror image reversal of the shadow taken from the southern hemisphere.
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    You didn't provide a picture as I requested:
    Please provide a picture showing how the full moon appears as such from all parts of the "flat" earth.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #41 on: January 14, 2018, 12:59:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 13, 2018, 10:47:32 PM
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    Thank you for pointing out this video's flaws. I agree, it is concluded in a very damaging way for science when viewed from the point of faith.
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    So try to imagine how much damage you're doing to the faith of Catholics when you say the Bible teaches the earth is "flat" (which it doesn't).
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    You're doing the same kind of disservice to religion that this "vsauce" dude is doing to science by way of his CONCLUSIONS.
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    How persistently dumb can you be!  You are willfully ignorant. 
     
    Any decent and honest scholar of Ancient Literature will affirm, that The Bible does indeed depict a Stationary and Flat Earth.  
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #42 on: January 14, 2018, 12:14:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 13, 2018, 10:43:58 PM
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    Congratulations for skipping to the end.
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    Now go back and watch the whole thing.
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    This guy's conclusions are unwarranted where he tries to sum it all up, but the demonstrations he provides of the scale of the earth and the view of the ISS is very informative. I don't like his STYLE (he speaks rather effeminately) and I don't agree with his conclusions at the end. But the points he makes along the way are quite valid ----- until the last minute or two.
    .
    It's a nice brief tour of how modern atheists have abused the facts and findings of modern science.
    .
    But they wouldn't have such an open season on truth if it were not for the inanity of flat-earthers, for example.
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    Flat-earthism is so obviously nuts, it's a shame that's being tied to Scripture, because it brings disrepute to God's word.
    .
    The Bible does not say the earth is "flat" anywhere. And your insistence on that lie is quite dangerous in our time when the sphericity of the globe is obvious and widely observable without any fancy equipment.
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    The "sphericity" is not obvious nor is it demonstrated anywhere, scientifically or otherwise.
    There is no curvature observed anywhere, not visually and not mathematically and not measurably.
    None. 
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #43 on: January 14, 2018, 01:46:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 13, 2018, 10:47:32 PM
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    Thank you for pointing out this video's flaws. I agree, it is concluded in a very damaging way for science when viewed from the point of faith.
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    So try to imagine how much damage you're doing to the faith of Catholics when you say the Bible teaches the earth is "flat" (which it doesn't).
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    You're doing the same kind of disservice to religion that this "vsauce" dude is doing to science by way of his CONCLUSIONS.
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases On A Flat Earth Model
    « Reply #44 on: January 14, 2018, 04:52:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: WholeFoodsTrad on January 14, 2018, 12:59:38 AM
    How persistently dumb can you be!  You are willfully ignorant.
     
    Any decent and honest scholar of Ancient Literature will affirm, that The Bible does indeed depict a Stationary and Flat Earth.  
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    Why do you insist on pejoratives every time your false hypothesis of flat-earthism is shown for its errors?
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    Any decent and honest scholar of ancient literature (not a proper noun) will affirm the Bible does not depict a "flat" earth (not a proper noun).
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