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The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
« on: February 03, 2018, 11:00:09 PM »
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    Here is a science teacher, Emily Morgan, author of Next Time You See the Moon, showing you how you can experience a moon phases demonstration in a dark room, using only a lamp, a styrofoam ball and a pencil:
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    I expected there to be a lot of photos of this recent eclipse, and maybe there were, but most of the videos posted are those that anticipated what was going to happen. I saw parts of the eclipse from L.A. but I couldn't stay up all night, so I missed most of it. But it was very impressive at about 4:00 am and at 5:30 am. I saw the blood moon (which is really a copper color, not red) and I saw a clearly curved shadow of the earth covering part of the moon.
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    This video recorded a live stream of the January 31st blood supermoon eclipse:
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    It's very long (over 4 hours) -- the eclipse starts showing up at 1:00 hour (the first hour is when the penumbra was covering the moon but photography doesn't let you see that due to brightness factor).
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    They show images from apparently 3 different locations so you'll see the moon orientated differently and it's all mixed up. Not a very smooth compilation, but at least it is chronological. Some videos do not give chronological accuracy at all. So this one is much better in that respect. You can skip ahead and miss a lot of the boring slow images. 
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    Re: The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 08:42:31 PM »
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    Wednesday, February 7th, will be a day that gives everyone in the Americas a great opportunity to see first hand what the relationship is between the sun's distance from the earth and the moon's distance from the earth.
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    Last month there were very good viewing days, and this will be yet another one.
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    For those who want to know the truth, that is.
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    The moon will reach its last quarter phase Wednesday morning at 7:55 in the Pacific time zone.
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    That means it will be 10:55 am in New York and the Eastern time zone when the moon's phase reaches the last quarter.
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    Central time will be 9:55 and Mountain will be 8:55.
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    We know all this IN ADVANCE, whereas flat-earthers don't know anything about it in advance.
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    This will be during broad daylight hours, all over Canada, the USA, Central America and South America.
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    Why the whole western hemisphere?
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    Because the moon's phases always show themselves the same all over the world, wherever the moon is visible.
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    If the earth were "flat" that would not be the case.
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    It also would not be the case if the moon were only a few thousand miles away from the earth.
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    If the earth were "flat" you'd see a quarter moon in one place and a gibbous or crescent moon in another place.
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    And if the moon were very close to the earth as flat-earthers claim, you'd see part of the dark side of the moon under it.
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    But we never see the dark side underneath the moon, it's always on the right side or the left side, never on the bottom.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
    « Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 03:41:24 PM »
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    Wednesday, February 7th, will be a day that gives everyone in the Americas a great opportunity to see first hand what the relationship is between the sun's distance from the earth and the moon's distance from the earth.
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    Last month there were very good viewing days, and this will be yet another one.
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    For those who want to know the truth, that is.
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    The moon will reach its last quarter phase Wednesday morning at 7:55 in the Pacific time zone.
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    That means it will be 10:55 am in New York and the Eastern time zone when the moon's phase reaches the last quarter.
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    Central time will be 9:55 and Mountain will be 8:55.
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    We know all this IN ADVANCE, whereas flat-earthers don't know anything about it in advance.
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    This will be during broad daylight hours, all over Canada, the USA, Central America and South America.
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    Why the whole western hemisphere?
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    Because the moon's phases always show themselves the same all over the world, wherever the moon is visible.
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    If the earth were "flat" that would not be the case.
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    It also would not be the case if the moon were only a few thousand miles away from the earth.
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    If the earth were "flat" you'd see a quarter moon in one place and a gibbous or crescent moon in another place.
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    And if the moon were very close to the earth as flat-earthers claim, you'd see part of the dark side of the moon under it.
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    But we never see the dark side underneath the moon, it's always on the right side or the left side, never on the bottom.
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    Just one more day to go!
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    Every month we are given two chances to test our perception for how far away from earth the sun is compared to the moon.
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    We are given two quarter moons each month, a first quarter and a last quarter.
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    Sometimes we get the last quarter early in the month and the first quarter later, and this is one of such times.
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    But the convenience of viewing is not always so good as this.
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    Tomorrow will be one of those days when it is really easy to see both the quarter moon and the sun in the sky at the same time.
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    The only variable left is whether you will have clear skies so you can see the moon real well, and the sun.
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    We can predict by the times shown what the position in the sky will be of the moon and the sun.
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    The last quarter moon occurs at 7:55 am tomorrow morning, meaning the sun will have been up for one hour.
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    The sun will be just coming up over low hills in the distance, or will be about 10 degrees above the horizon line.
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    Since the moon is a quarter moon we know it will be close to a right angle from the sun.
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    Therefore the moon will be at about astronomical 1:00 in the sky, just to the west of directly overhead.
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    Of course, it will also be in the line of its orbit, which is currently 5 degrees north of the ecliptic.
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    This will be as viewed from the Pacific time zone (UTC -8 ).
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    If you're in the Mountain time zone, it will be later, 8:55, Central = 9:55, Eastern = 10:55 am. 
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    So everyone in America gets a clear view of the moon's quarter and the sun, if you have clear skies tomorrow.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
    « Reply #3 on: February 06, 2018, 03:57:42 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
    « Reply #4 on: February 06, 2018, 04:17:03 PM »
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  • I thought the natural physics of a liquid was to conform to its container (much like a cat), not simply find level.  


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    Re: The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
    « Reply #5 on: February 06, 2018, 06:30:12 PM »
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  • I thought the natural physics of a liquid was to conform to its container (much like a cat), not simply find level.  
    It does both.  But, when have you seen the ocean surface curve?  The roundness of the hump between the distance of 100 miles would be 66 feet higher than either end, according to the math commensurate of a 25,000 mi ball.  Uh, no. 

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    Re: The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
    « Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 11:51:56 PM »
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    There is only one degree of curvature in every 70 miles of earth's surface - too small to notice normally.
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    Anyway, looks like everyone missed another quarter moon opportunity.
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    There will be more, two each month.
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    Re: The Moon's Phases in the Real (spheroid) Earth World
    « Reply #7 on: February 12, 2018, 12:04:26 AM »
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    The blood supermoon eclipse of January 31st was eagerly anticipated by amateur astronomers all over the country, as it turns out, for several years.
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    There have been thousands of independent observers making meticulous records of this great event.
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    Some of them are posting their work online but it seems others are trying to make it into more sophisticated products.
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    The OP of this thread embeds two videos that are quite helpful in understanding what happened.
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    Here are some web images that do a great job of summarizing what took place.
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    And notice how very accurately it was expected compared to what actually happened -- they are identical.
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    The moon is shown moving through the umbra of the earth's darkest shadow conical section.
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    The times are shown when these key points would happen, and each point happened just as predicted.
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    The following one shows a chart plotting the points of greatest visibility:
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    So everyone all over the world would know in advance where they could go to see it if they wanted to see it.
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    This one puts both together in one place:
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    « Reply #8 on: February 12, 2018, 11:00:12 PM »
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    Saturday, March 24th will be your next opportunity to measure the angle between the quarter moon and the sun.
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    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 10:45:11 PM »
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    The full moon is visible right now.
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    As it rises to its overhead position, high in the sky, the time will approach midnight. The full moon does this everywhere on earth no matter where you go. Whenever it's a full moon, the highest position it takes in the sky is when the sun is in the middle of its night time cycle.
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    If you set up a length of pipe pointing at the moon so that the moon's light shines through the pipe, the moon's light will be shining through the pipe at the ground under your feet.
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    That moonlight on the ground is pointing the way to the sun. The pipe also points at the sun.
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    The sun is hidden by the earth and is on the opposite side of the earth, where the pipe is pointing.
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    This is a very simple exercise you can do every time you see a full moon, and you can do it anywhere on earth.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 10:51:30 PM »
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    The OP video is a good one to see when you're thinking about where the sun is during a full moon at midnight.
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    Incidentally this month, March, has another blue moon.
    We just had a blue moon in January.
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    « Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 05:09:22 PM »
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    Here is proof that flat-earthers realize when they've lost the arguments.
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    « Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 06:06:52 PM »
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  • So without.  Nothing here proves earth is a sphere.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 06:34:54 PM »
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  • So without.  Nothing here proves earth is a sphere.
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    The entire thread speaks for itself. I don't have to repeat it. Are you deaf or blind or just insolent? Loser.
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    Your shrill whining only makes you look worse, if that were possible.
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    « Reply #14 on: March 30, 2018, 01:21:17 AM »
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    This week is when the full moon meets Catholic liturgy, because there was a full moon when Our Lord suffered in the Garden of Olives.
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    Catholics can step outside, or go to an olive garden, and have the full impression of what Our Lord saw that fateful night.
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    Notice the full moon doesn't have any shadow underneath it, which it would have if the earth were "flat."
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    If the sun were on the other side of a "flat" disk-earth, on the lowest part of the moon would appear a dark shadow where it's out of reach for sunlight, just as part of the moon appears in shadow in the crescent, quarter and gibbous phases.
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    No, the full moon is always FULL -- not sometimes, not usually, ALWAYS.
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    This is one of the MANY ways we can make first-hand observations that prove the earth is not "flat" but is rather spheroid.
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