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Offline Neil Obstat

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The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
« on: August 28, 2018, 03:16:22 AM »
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    You can't make this stuff up.                       This is what happens when you don't do well in school, folks.
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    Skip the first 4 minutes: it is useless.
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    The reason flat-earth doesn't have a model is, the model is the earth itself. 4:27
    (The model is the earth.)
    The earth that we live in, in reality, is not a model. 7:10
    (The earth is not a model.)
    There is no point to modeling the sun, the moon and the stars. 7:25
    (To model the solar system is useless for flat-earthdom.)
    Modeling is the only trick that they (globe earthers) have; that's their whole hand. 7:45
    (Modeling is a deception of globe-earthers.)
    Getting mixed up in the modeling game, you're trying to prove something that doesn't exist. 8:20
    (Any positive model involves proving a negative.)
    Trying to prove or disprove something is not real. 8:30
    (To prove or disprove anything is to leave reality behind.)
    You see: THEY have a model on the globe side, so they have to PROVE that. 8:40
    (Globers have a model that's why they have to prove something.)
    Do you even think for one second that your model can stand up to the real world? It can't! 10:45
    (Flat-earthers should abandon models because they fail in the flat-earth world.)
    If you can take somebody out of the real world then you can control them because you control the model. 10:59
    (To agree to the model game is to be controlled by the enemy.)
    You cannot control the real earth so you can't control anyone who is in tune with said real earth. 11:09
    (By refusing the model game you cannot be controlled.)
    That's why it's about the model. 11:17
    (Now we'll re-define the scientific method to exclude all testing of the hypothesis.)
    (And while we're at it, we will pretend that the singular phenomenon is not real.)
    There is no model -- there is no test! 
    There is only the scientific method that if you observe a phenomena [sic] that's when you come up with a hypothesis.
    THAT'S when you start assuming, AFTER you come up with an observed phenomena [sic]!
    You don't come up with an observed phenomena [sic] AFTER you pre-assume! 11:52
    You have to have the scientific method PERIOD!
    You observe a phenomena [sic]. 
    You say "What the heck was that?" 
    You have to come up with an independent variable and a dependent variable.
    So you can establish cause and affect [sic].                                                                 (pronounced UUH-fect, not ee-FECT)
    You can't do that with a model because a model has no observed phenomena in it!
    We should call it the "real earth" and forget about the "flat" because defining that "earth" isn't necessary. 13:36




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    Re: The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
    « Reply #1 on: August 28, 2018, 09:55:36 AM »
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    You can't make this stuff up.                       This is what happens when you don't do well in school, folks.
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    Skip the first 4 minutes: it is useless.
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    Quotes:
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    The reason flat-earth doesn't have a model is, the model is the earth itself. 4:27
    (The model is the earth.)
    The earth that we live in, in reality, is not a model. 7:10
    (The earth is not a model.)
    There is no point to modeling the sun, the moon and the stars. 7:25
    (To model the solar system is useless for flat-earthdom.)
    Modeling is the only trick that they (globe earthers) have; that's their whole hand. 7:45
    (Modeling is a deception of globe-earthers.)
    Getting mixed up in the modeling game, you're trying to prove something that doesn't exist. 8:20
    (Any positive model involves proving a negative.)
    Trying to prove or disprove something is not real. 8:30
    (To prove or disprove anything is to leave reality behind.)
    You see: THEY have a model on the globe side, so they have to PROVE that. 8:40
    (Globers have a model that's why they have to prove something.)
    Do you even think for one second that your model can stand up to the real world? It can't! 10:45
    (Flat-earthers should abandon models because they fail in the flat-earth world.)
    If you can take somebody out of the real world then you can control them because you control the model. 10:59
    (To agree to the model game is to be controlled by the enemy.)
    You cannot control the real earth so you can't control anyone who is in tune with said real earth. 11:09
    (By refusing the model game you cannot be controlled.)
    That's why it's about the model. 11:17
    (Now we'll re-define the scientific method to exclude all testing of the hypothesis.)
    (And while we're at it, we will pretend that the singular phenomenon is not real.)
    There is no model -- there is no test!
    There is only the scientific method that if you observe a phenomena [sic] that's when you come up with a hypothesis.
    THAT'S when you start assuming, AFTER you come up with an observed phenomena [sic]!
    You don't come up with an observed phenomena [sic] AFTER you pre-assume! 11:52
    You have to have the scientific method PERIOD!
    You observe a phenomena [sic].
    You say "What the heck was that?"
    You have to come up with an independent variable and a dependent variable.
    So you can establish cause and affect [sic].                                                                 (pronounced UUH-fect, not ee-FECT)
    You can't do that with a model because a model has no observed phenomena in it!
    We should call it the "real earth" and forget about the "flat" because defining that "earth" isn't necessary. 13:36




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    This is hilarious because the globe earth promoters do not have a single provable model, either!  No map.  No consensus.  Zip. Nada.  


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    Re: The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
    « Reply #2 on: August 28, 2018, 12:27:21 PM »
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  • This is hilarious because the globe earth promoters do not have a single provable model, either!  No map.  No consensus.  Zip. Nada.  
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    No model?  What do you call a globe if not a model? 
    Globes have been around for hundreds of years,
    before computers, even, before GPS and cell phones!
    The're consistent because they WORK
    and when they work they prove themselves.
    There is your proof.
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    No map? What do you think a globe is but a map? It's a true map because it accurately maps the spherical earth surface.
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    The consensus is the fact that globes are used all over the globe, and have been, longer than the USA has existed.
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    Re: The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
    « Reply #4 on: August 29, 2018, 02:48:44 AM »
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    Another flat-earthdom syndromer who can't figure out how to post images, eh?
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    Re: The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
    « Reply #5 on: August 29, 2018, 08:52:22 PM »
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    If you want to see this OP video you had better hurry up because the owner is going to pull it.
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    It's just an embarrassment.
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    Going on 2 months old, it only has 189 views, and 5 likes, but 13 dislikes and the Comments are missing (probably put on hold).
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    Comments were not disabled from the start but now they're not showing up.
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    So the owner, "Slick James Johnson," is very likely getting too disappointed in its performance.
    Anyone else would be jaded from the negative responses.
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    BTW if 15 instances of loudly smacking lips might bother you, then skip the first 4-1/2 minutes.
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    The first interesting thing Slick James says is at 5:23, "No math involved, period."
    Then notice on the wall in front of him is a Thermometer and Relative Humidity Meter combination, IOW, math involved.
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    Can you say, "Self-contradiction?"
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    Re: The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
    « Reply #6 on: September 03, 2018, 01:01:24 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:   You're way above your pay grade even if you don't get a dime for blathering on.

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    Re: The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
    « Reply #7 on: September 04, 2018, 04:40:55 AM »
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    Flat-earthdom syndrome has no basis in reality.
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    Re: The Last Word on Why Flat-Earth Doesn't Need a Model
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2018, 06:35:21 PM »
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    Here are some posts where Slick James Johnson keeps trying to be relevant, in his obstreperous denial of the scientific method.
    (At least his sentence structure is proper grammar and his spelling is okay, that makes it readable!)
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    Slick James Johnson
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0O5t2TsaJs&lc=UgwXrU0iacSZEBfSBQJ4AaABAg.8kurKaSuixE8kuw-5v6neP
    Slick James Johnson
    Man you are priceless. Could it be the same as your flat earth experiment trick? If anyone can spot a trick, you should be the first to catch it. Either that or you can't meet the challenge. You really need to get off this flat earth experiment nonsense. There are no flat earth experiments. The same as there are no globe earth experiments. You are the master deflector.

    Sly Sparkane
    "There are no flat earth experiments"
    nope... there ain't...

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    Sly Sparkane , correct and there are no globe earth experiments. That's why some of us just accept the earth as it presents itself because there are no scientific experiments of any kind, globe or flat.
    Poseidon63 , like I said before, there are no scientific experiments, just talk. This is why I accept the earth as it presents itself, flat and motionless because talk doesn't qualify as scientific evidence. The sun appears and disappears every day. Rises and sets are terms ascribed to this appearance and disappearance, nothing more. Some of you fall for the hype. Some of us don't.
    Poseidon63 , I don't need to know why it appears and disappears. What is the point in speculating? You speculate that it rises and sets. I don't speculate anything. I accept the sun and the earth the way they present themselves. Hype and speculation, unnecessary but if you are into that sort of thing. Rock on.
    Poseidon63 , well if you experience curve and rotation you might want to ease off the drugs and alcohol. You can rock on sober too. Trust me, you do not experience rotation or curve or orbit. It's just a figment of your imagination implanted since childhood, that's all.
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