Even if those in the Vatican were well aware that aliens are demons, it is unlikely that they would be opposing the aliens and drawing attention to the fact that the disobedience of the demons was done with PERFECT Knowledge, whereas less-than-perfect Knowledge was a factor in the sinful disobedience of Adam.Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.
https://www.skywatchtv.com/2022/09/15/vatican-aliens-are-saviors/
Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.This is a bit sweeping. You’ve really never met a sane person who saw something that doesn’t or shouldn’t exist? I see no harm in assuming it’s demons. Or witches. I wouldn’t be investigating to find out.:incense:
You’ve really never met a sane person who saw something that doesn’t or shouldn’t exist?
To do this, we are going to reverse the proposition of the UFOlogues and attempt to demonstrate that the UFO’s are a form specially adapted to the modern mentality of the old pagan religion, and, as such, opposed to the Christian religion. To do this, we shall proceed by showing:It is point three that is addressed in the following chapter of Kerizo’s book, “Angels and Demons—Miracles and Prodigies.” The key to understanding the UFO’s is to understand who in the world is capable of producing them.
1) By an examination of the past, that in fact the phenomenon is present in the records of antiquity;
2) By the study of a few cases of UFO sightings since 1950, that the current phenomena are related to those of the past by their significance;
3) That the key to the mystery of the UFO’s is to be found in Christian demonology.
4) Then we shall examine the mystery of iniquity through human history, and the place of the UFO’s therein;
5) Finally, based upon this analysis we shall attempt to forecast for the future, more or less near, the unfolding of the mystery of iniquity.
The wisest observation of divine laws proclaims this axiom: there is no leap in nature, nor rupture in the chain of beings. At the same time, it demonstrates that, in this magnificent chain, man cannot be the last link. God is the Ocean of Life. He diffuses it under all forms: vegetative, animal, intellectual. According as it is more or less abundant, life marks the hierarchical degree of beings. Now, it is more abundant as the being approaches nearer to God. Thus, in order to gather to Himself, by the necessary degrees, all creation descended from Him, the Almighty, whose infinite Wisdom delighted in the formation of the universe, has drawn from nothing several types of creatures: some both visible and purely material, such as the earth, water, plants; others both visible and invisible, material and immaterial, men; and finally others, invisible and immaterial, the angels. No less than the others, the latter are, then, a necessity of creation. Let us listen, on this subject, to one of the greatest theologians: “I answer that,” says St. Thomas, “there must be some incorporeal creatures. For what is principally intended by God in creatures is good, and this consists in assimilation to God Himself. And the perfect assimilation of an effect to a cause is accomplished when the effect imitates the cause according to that whereby the cause produces the effect. Now, God produces the creature by His intellect and will. Hence the perfection of the universe requires that there should be intellectual creatures…and of an incorporeal creature.”The angels are purely spiritual beings whose intellectual and volitional activity is not hampered by a body, nor subordinated in its exercise to organs or to the power of emotions, as is the human soul, which is the form of the body and composes with it a being whose spiritual activity can only be exercised by means of a body. This state of human intelligence is an inferior state which places man on the last rung of the scale of intelligences. “Nothing is in the understanding that is not first in the senses,” runs the Scholastic adage.
| The Characteristics of Extraterrestrials Compared to Demonic Attacks on Monks Here is a very simple docuмent that shows more insight into the phenomenon of UFO’s than the entire body of literature that has been written on the subject by UFOIogists, and by many modern churchmen. | |
| Characteristics of Extraterrestrials 1) They sometimes show themselves to be very aggressive, wounding or even killing human beings or destroying equipment. 2) Sometimes they kidnap men. 3) In this case, they abuse them and remove from them some blood or a patch of skin. 4) They hypnotize people and communicate with them by telepathy. 5) Faced with a categoric refusal to communicate, they disappear. 6) In some cases, the illnesses of those who have been in contact with the extraterrestrials have disappeared. 7) Confronted by them, the human being experiences a sentiment of despair and of fear. 8) The external appearance of the extraterrestrials varies. They can appear as dwarves or as giants, as men or women, or even as monsters. 9) Their apparitions are often accompanied by light effects. 10) They appear and disappear instantaneously. | Characteristics of the Devil 1) Man’s enemy, the devil, breaks down the monks’ cells and destroys their material possessions. He beats and wounds saints and hermits. 2) The Sacred Scriptures mention cases of hermits being kidnapped by the devil. 3) He often appears under the guise of a woman or a man in order to take advantage of the situation. 4) He tries to make his thoughts penetrate the hermit’s mind. 5) As soon as he meets with a categoric refusal by a man, or at a prayer, he disappears. 6) The Holy Scriptures mention that magical practices can cure certain illnesses of men, but at the price of the sufferer’s losing all hope of everlasting life. 7) The apparition of the devil causes a feeling of unease and of fear (see especially the life of St. Antony). 8) He appears under various forms, whether human, animal or monster (see the life of St. Antony and of St. Brechnikov). 9) He is a lightbearer. 10) He disappears suddenly if presented with a crucifix or if sprinkled with holy water. |
For the angels are part of the universe: they do not constitute a universe of themselves; but both they and corporeal natures unite in constituting one universe. This stands in evidence from the relationship of creature to creature; because the mutual relationship of creatures makes up the good of the universe. But no part is perfect if separate from the whole.It is written: “In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.” By “heaven,” according to St. Augustine commenting on this verse, is meant primordial angelic nature, and by “earth” primordial corporeal nature. Created pure spirits, at the pinnacle of the pyramid of created being, they dominate in some way the universe, material, visible, and invisible; they preside over its government and conservation. They are the active agents of divine Providence. By virtue of this office, they have a perfect knowledge of the material order of created things and of the laws that preside over its development. They make use of it in order to fulfill the mission of general government and to fulfill particular missions of assistance to men, as the Bible shows in many examples.
For the expectation of the creature waiteth for the revelation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity: not willingly, but by reason of him that made it subject, in hope. Because the creature also itself shall be delivered from the servitude of corruption, into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. For we know that every creature groaneth and travaileth in pain, even till now. And not only it, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit: even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption of the sons of God, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:19-23)In these latter days more than ever, creation is subject to the assaults and power of the devil. And the devil spreads ugliness and unhappiness everywhere, by the intermediary of men who are enslaved to him. He intervenes directly by his manifestations (among which are the UFO’s); by disasters of all kinds; by earthquakes, which some say often coincide with the sightings of UFO’s; by the disturbances that he introduces in the regular course of the seasons and the growing cycle; by the desertification of the lands that are subject to his reign; by the perturbations that he provokes in space-time; by his prodigies of all kinds; and finally, by possession, often unbeknownst to the victims, of the minds of men.
They are the brothers of magic. Also, those who, by recourse to occult practices, commit evil actions, venerate them, especially their chief. They have an abundance of varied and false images of things, and by that means they are eminently skillful at putting into play secret means for organizing deceits.The stage is the same, the actors are also the same, only the props have changed!
…Satan is always the same.
In returning to the world, he comes with all the attributes of his antique royalty: oracles, prodigies, various manipulations, all the cortege of seduction, signs and instruments of rule with which he had filled the ancient world and with which he still fills the idolatrous world. All these things necessarily had to reappear in a world fallen once again under his dominion by the retreat of Christianity.
Because we do not totally know the power of created nature, when something occurs outside the order of nature, it appears to our eyes as a miracle. But when the demons accomplish something by virtue of their nature, we also call it a miracle, not absolutely speaking, but in relation to us. It is in this manner that the magi work “miracles” with the help of “demons.”He cites the case of the Pharaoh’s magicians who, by the power of demons, “produced real snakes and real frogs.” To explain these prodigies that look like miracles, St. Thomas formulates several possible explanations. The first depends on the demon’s power of suggestion over the human mind. The second stems from the demon’s power over nature to fabricate a body and to take the appearance of man or animal. Finally, to explain the apparition of living beings, St. Thomas attributes to the demons a perfect knowledge of the laws of life. He puts forth the hypothesis of the existence in a latent state, in prime matter, “vital seeds” capable of engendering life under certain exceptional circuмstances. The demons, more intelligent than we, would know these conditions. Recall that science, having discarded the hypothesis of spontaneous generation at the end of the 19th century, seems to be having recourse to it in our time. Let us not go further into this hypothesis,6 which does not directly concern our subject.
Thank you very much cassini for your very cognizant and well-informed comments.Poor Mr. Thomas Nelson, who did so much good for the Church by bringing back traditional Catholic books which had been out-of-print.
Dr. Robert Sungenis, in addition to doing a heavy duty critique of Dr. Paul Thigpen's book for one month starting on Nov. 15th at https://isoc.ws/ (https://isoc.ws/) will also subject it to a devastating critique in the upcoming November issue of Culture Wars magazine. (https://isoc.ws/)
(https://isoc.ws/)
As an aside, I should highlight the fact that Thigpen is the Editor of TAN Books no less and his above book is being published by TAN. Also, Thigpen according to the National Catholic Registar article is apparently an avowed heliocentrist. Just more manifestations of how far astray TAN has gone since it was taken away from its founder Thomas A. Nelson.
(https://tanbooks.com/products/books/tan-books/pre-order/extraterrestrial-intelligence-and-the-catholic-faith/)
This quote from Who’s Behind the UFO Phenomenon, “These false resurrections...based on a technique of ‘prolonged astral bilocation,’ reserved to the damned, who are entirely deprived of liberty, were announced by the Blessed Virgin in her message at La Salette,” is this from the approved apparition or from writings placed on the index? This is from the Angelus and that is an SSPX publication, no? So, I’m thinking this has nothing to do with our Sunday obligation nor taking the Lord’s name in vain, so it’s not approved? Or it is approved?Wow, thanks, Melanie! Looks like I'm finally starting to make some headway shining some light on La Salette. :cowboy:
Good or Bad, Who Are the Angels?
Albert Einstein, asked shortly before his death what he thought about the origin of UFO’s, said: “The UFO’s are piloted by men who left the earth ten thousand years ago.” Plainly, they are a link in the revelation and the accreditation of the New Religion, the religion of Man. It is necessary to bear in mind, however, that, in the creation narrative, Sacred Scripture only speaks to us of two kinds of intellectual natures: the angelic and the human. There are no others.
Here they are communicating with each other. Aliens farting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZj7gUIO-2k&ab_channel=VincentV.C.
Thank you for re-starting this topic Cassini.
This below traditional Catholic article was translated into English and re-published by the Angelus Press in 2001.
The original French work by Alain Kerizo, pretty much settles any speculation about UFO-ʝʊdɛօ-mythology.
Les OVNI identifiés: les extraterrestres dans le mystère d'iniquité
Alain Kérizo (https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:) Éd. Sainte Jeanne d'Arc, 1997 - 216 pages
Who’s Behind The UFO Phenomenon?
(https://thinkaboutit.site/ufos/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/08/UFO.jpg)Alain KerizoArtist’s sketch of an alien allegedly responsible for an alien abduction in New Hampshire (1961)
Introduction
The UFO phenomenon has been going on since antiquity, accounts of apparitions similar to the ones reported in the 20th century being found in the holy books of the various pagan religions. Interestingly, a significant lapse in the record of these events through history occurred during the ages of Faith, only to resume with the Protestant revolt. In our times, the literature on UFO’s has stacked up, and has gone beyond mere description of events. Authors writing from an atheistic or gnostic point of view have used the phenomenon to call into question Christianity, some going so far as to say that “all the religious manifestations [including Lourdes and Fatima, for example] are UFO’s.”
To this assertion Alain Kerizo replies, “Absurd,” and he has presented his well-docuмented refutation in a book entitled Les OVNI identifiés: les extraterrestres dans le mystère d’iniquité [The UFO’s Identified: The Extraterrestrials in the Mystery of Iniquity, Villegenon, France: Editions Sainte Jeanne d’Arc, 1997]. Let us, then, try to extricate ourselves from the absurd starting with an excerpt from Kerizo’s book:
It is point three that is addressed in the following chapter of Kerizo’s book, “Angels and Demons—Miracles and Prodigies.” The key to understanding the UFO’s is to understand who in the world is capable of producing them.
Good or Bad, Who Are the Angels?
Albert Einstein, asked shortly before his death what he thought about the origin of UFO’s, said: “The UFO’s are piloted by men who left the earth ten thousand years ago.” Plainly, they are a link in the revelation and the accreditation of the New Religion, the religion of Man. It is necessary to bear in mind, however, that, in the creation narrative, Sacred Scripture only speaks to us of two kinds of intellectual natures: the angelic and the human. There are no others.
Here is how Christian theology, in the person of Bishop Gaume in his Treatise on the Holy Ghost, introduces the existence of angels:
The angels are purely spiritual beings whose intellectual and volitional activity is not hampered by a body, nor subordinated in its exercise to organs or to the power of emotions, as is the human soul, which is the form of the body and composes with it a being whose spiritual activity can only be exercised by means of a body. This state of human intelligence is an inferior state which places man on the last rung of the scale of intelligences. “Nothing is in the understanding that is not first in the senses,” runs the Scholastic adage.
St. Paul expresses the same truth when he says: “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made” (Rom. 1:20).
As for the angel, he is endowed with a nature more perfect than ours. He has no need of sensible things to raise himself to the perception of intellectual truths. He is an admirable likeness of the Divinity, and it suffices for him to contemplate his own being and nature in order to attain to the knowledge of God and of His divine attributes.
The understanding’s mode of apprehension still occurs by means of representation. But while for man, it is the exterior and material creatures that serve as a mirror [because nothing is in the intellect unless first in the senses.—Ed.], for the angel, it is his own intelligible nature. Nevertheless, although he is a pure spirit, the angel lacks the power to attain to the knowledge of God directly and without intermediary, face to face. What makes all the difference between the good angels and the bad, or demons, is that the good angels, by their submission and now elevation in glory, have access to truths and splendors of the supernatural order and of the beatific vision of God, whereas the bad angels, by their pride, are deprived of them, while conserving, because of their angelic nature, the understanding of truths of the natural order.This distinction is important because it allows one to understand both the extraordinary powers that demons exercise over material creation, and simultaneously, the enormity of their lies and errors regarding the truths of the supernatural world of the Divine. The truths they do hold are given to them by God, so that even by them all creatures attest His glory and that everything concurs, even the demons, to the salvation of those whom He has redeemed by the sacrifice of His Incarnate Word….
The Characteristics of Extraterrestrials
Compared to Demonic Attacks on Monks
Here is a very simple docuмent that shows more insight into the phenomenon of UFO’s than the entire body of literature that has been written on the subject by UFOIogists, and by many modern churchmen.Characteristics of Extraterrestrials
1) They sometimes show themselves to be very aggressive, wounding or even killing human beings or destroying equipment.
2) Sometimes they kidnap men.
3) In this case, they abuse them and remove from them some blood or a patch of skin.
4) They hypnotize people and communicate with them by telepathy.
5) Faced with a categoric refusal to communicate, they disappear.
6) In some cases, the illnesses of those who have been in contact with the extraterrestrials have disappeared.
7) Confronted by them, the human being experiences a sentiment of despair and of fear.
8) The external appearance of the extraterrestrials varies. They can appear as dwarves or as giants, as men or women, or even as monsters.
9) Their apparitions are often accompanied by light effects.
10) They appear and disappear instantaneously.Characteristics of the Devil
1) Man’s enemy, the devil, breaks down the monks’ cells and destroys their material possessions. He beats and wounds saints and hermits.
2) The Sacred Scriptures mention cases of hermits being kidnapped by the devil.
3) He often appears under the guise of a woman or a man in order to take advantage of the situation.
4) He tries to make his thoughts penetrate the hermit’s mind.
5) As soon as he meets with a categoric refusal by a man, or at a prayer, he disappears.
6) The Holy Scriptures mention that magical practices can cure certain illnesses of men, but at the price of the sufferer’s losing all hope of everlasting life.
7) The apparition of the devil causes a feeling of unease and of fear (see especially the life of St. Antony).
8) He appears under various forms, whether human, animal or monster (see the life of St. Antony and of St. Brechnikov).
9) He is a lightbearer.
10) He disappears suddenly if presented with a crucifix or if sprinkled with holy water.
If it is true that God created all things without intermediary, by direct action, and that He also intervenes in the conservation of all that exists, it is no less certain that God has instituted amongst His creatures an order, a hierarchy. Thus, certain inferior creatures, in their conservation and in their action, depend on superior creatures, which are themselves incapable of subsisting without God’s action, but which can nevertheless cooperate in the activity of maintaining in existence and in the development of other creatures. Given the elevation of the pure spirits and of their relative nearness to the First Cause, it is not surprising that they play an extensive role in the divine government of material creatures and of those composed of spirit and matter, men.
This doctrine rejoins that of the ancient philosophers, Aristotle in particular, who did not hesitate to attribute to superior motions, such as the planets or sun in the signs of the zodiac, a considerable influence on the vital phenomena of generation and conception. It rejoins—and with reason (for we know henceforth the nature of Those who have taught them)—the hypotheses of occultists, astrologers, and other magicians who accord to the stars moved by such intelligences, and to disembodied spirits, an extensive power over terrestrial elements and even human beings.
It is not surprising, then, that the exposé that St. Thomas Aquinas makes on this subject brings a solution to the problem posed by the UFO’s.
We shall set forth Catholic doctrine relative to the power of the angels over creation under three aspects: 1) corporeal creatures; 2) man; 3) human societies. We shall see that Catholic doctrine answers and explains all the cases of UFO’s, which we shall henceforth qualify as “diabolic infestations,” in conformity to the terminology used by theology.
The Power of Angels Over Corporeal Creation
The angels are not “ethereal” creatures, separated from creation. They have a role to play in the universe. Says St. Thomas:
It is written: “In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.” By “heaven,” according to St. Augustine commenting on this verse, is meant primordial angelic nature, and by “earth” primordial corporeal nature. Created pure spirits, at the pinnacle of the pyramid of created being, they dominate in some way the universe, material, visible, and invisible; they preside over its government and conservation. They are the active agents of divine Providence. By virtue of this office, they have a perfect knowledge of the material order of created things and of the laws that preside over its development. They make use of it in order to fulfill the mission of general government and to fulfill particular missions of assistance to men, as the Bible shows in many examples.
One sees them in the Old Testament take the natural form of the human body to appear to Abraham and the prophets, or conduct the Hebrew people out of Egypt; and in the New Testament in order to announce to the Blessed Virgin that she has been chosen to bring forth the Savior. Finally, in both Testaments, one sees them work miracles by the divine power.
This is true of the good angels, but in the beginning, the demons made up part of the angelic Powers who governed the corporeal order. They, too, belonged to the nine choirs of angels who were commissioned to direct the universe. Among the nine choirs, there is one, the Virtues, specially appointed to the working of miracles. Chased from the empyrean heaven since their disobedience, the demons were cast into hell. Nevertheless, they will not be relegated there definitively until the Judgment Day. Until then, they exercise their art, so to speak, on visible creation, within the limit allowed by God. But since man constitutes the king and summit of this creation, it is therefore by man that they are led to attack God.
As the primordial angelic nature was made light, that is to say, converted to the Word who is light, after a trial destined to test his submission, so the demon served unconsciously to try the fidelity of man towards his Creator. Had he triumphed in this trial, man would have been like the good angels, converted to the light. Following man’s disobedience, Satan was able to put on the insignia of his new kingdom, and become “the prince of this world,” the title which our Lord recognized to him in the Gospel.
Let us underline this fundamental point. If man had not sinned by disobeying, Satan would not have been able to do more. He would never have been able to infiltrate the government of the created universe. His judgment would have been definitively pronounced. He would have been relegated to hell for eternity and we would never again have been tempted. It was by his sin that man and all that depended on him was arrayed under his banner, and Satan, until the coming of Christ, was able to thwart the effects of the divine government of the world exercised by the ministry of the good angels, except, however, the people of God. We have indicated the consequences of this government, the immense catastrophes and the bloody disorders that it provoked.
The coming of the Savior and the expansion of Christianity eclipsed his empire for a time. But, since the Renaissance, the devil has been in a strong position to reassert his empire over matter, men, and civil society, paralyzing more than ever the government of the good angels. It is in our day that these words of St. Paul find their full meaning realized:
In these latter days more than ever, creation is subject to the assaults and power of the devil. And the devil spreads ugliness and unhappiness everywhere, by the intermediary of men who are enslaved to him. He intervenes directly by his manifestations (among which are the UFO’s); by disasters of all kinds; by earthquakes, which some say often coincide with the sightings of UFO’s; by the disturbances that he introduces in the regular course of the seasons and the growing cycle; by the desertification of the lands that are subject to his reign; by the perturbations that he provokes in space-time; by his prodigies of all kinds; and finally, by possession, often unbeknownst to the victims, of the minds of men.
The power of angels over the material universe perfectly explains the phenomena associated with UFO’s: the sudden apparition and disappearance of craft, with or without the presence of beings resembling humans. All these characteristics justify the classification of the UFO phenomenon as demonic infestations. One can readily explain their movements at incredible speed and their sudden disappearance by the fact that the demons are not subject, as are men, to the continuum of space and time. Their vessels seem to fall into another dimension, into another universe, that of spirit. This corresponds equally with the thesis of certain philosophers who admit the existence of angelic time, intermediary between divine eternity and human time.
Over and beyond the difference between angelic time and the human time, other faculties reserved to the angels explain the phenomenon of UFO’s: the ability of pure spirits to materialize and dematerialize at will, that is to say, to borrow the forms or appearances of material creation, human or animal. The serpent of Genesis, the dragons of the ancients, the human body: all these forms, more or less caricatured, have been borrowed by “the prince of this world” in the course of human history. What is noteworthy is the adaptation of the forms used to the changing mentality of men throughout history. In Antiquity, the form of the dragon was preferred because of its terrifying aspect, proper to inspire submission. In these times of the reign of technology and science, what could be more appropriate or refined, more “pregnant” and suggestive than the form of the cosmonaut, archetype of the man of civilizations who believe themselves to be or who desire to be superior; in a word, what could be more apt to seduce “modern man”?
The devils make themselves by turns, according to an unrevealed strategic plan, terrifying or seductive. In fact, we should say both terrifying and seductive, because it is only by the poison of immediate seduction that their terrifying character can go unnoticed by men. They utilize material creation after the manner of magicians. Porphyrus already wrote about them:
The stage is the same, the actors are also the same, only the props have changed!
Miracles and Prodigies
But if there can be no doubt about the power of demons over matter, does it follow that they have unlimited power so as to be able to accomplish miracles? St. Thomas, treating of the divine government in the Summa Theologica, answers this question by distinguishing in living bodies two intrinsic principles: 1) matter, which as such is totally undifferentiated and therefore totally malleable and capable of receiving any kind of modification; and 2) the substantial form which, informing matter, organizes it and enables it to become some determinate corporeal entity: mineral, vegetable, animal.
If angels or demons can make use of the plasticity of prime matter, they cannot, on the other hand, influence the substantial form. That power belongs to God. In other words, demons can accomplish prodigies, but they cannot work miracles. For example the transformation of a stone into a frog would constitute a miracle.
There is a miracle strictly speaking when something is produced outside the order of nature. But for there to be a miracle it is not enough that something be accomplished outside the nature of a particular creature: for then, when someone throws a stone into the air he would work a miracle, since that is outside the nature of the stone. Thus a thing is a miracle if it occurs outside of the order of created nature. For only God can do that: whatever is accomplished by an angel or any other creature by its own power is accomplished according to the order of created nature: it is not a miracle.
Further on, St. Thomas explains more fully what he means:
He cites the case of the Pharaoh’s magicians who, by the power of demons, “produced real snakes and real frogs.” To explain these prodigies that look like miracles, St. Thomas formulates several possible explanations. The first depends on the demon’s power of suggestion over the human mind. The second stems from the demon’s power over nature to fabricate a body and to take the appearance of man or animal. Finally, to explain the apparition of living beings, St. Thomas attributes to the demons a perfect knowledge of the laws of life. He puts forth the hypothesis of the existence in a latent state, in prime matter, “vital seeds” capable of engendering life under certain exceptional circuмstances. The demons, more intelligent than we, would know these conditions. Recall that science, having discarded the hypothesis of spontaneous generation at the end of the 19th century, seems to be having recourse to it in our time. Let us not go further into this hypothesis,6 which does not directly concern our subject.
Let us consider, rather the usefulness of the distinction between a supernatural event (miracle) and a preternatural event (prodigy) as it applies in the study of UFO’s. A miracle can only have as author God, Creator of all things, or else the angels to whom He has given the power to work miracles. A prodigy can only have as author the devil mastering the cosmic forces by means of a science of which we are ignorant….The true faith was proven by miracles. It is by prodigies that the religion of the devil will be insinuated into the minds of men. The devil likes to ape the Creator. He is storing up for us in future a cortege of stupefying prodigies which, according to Holy Scripture, would confound even the Elect in those days were they not preserved by a special grace!
Hell’s Henchmen
It is legitimate to enquire whether the prodigies realized in our times—the UFO’s, for example—might not be the work of men initiated into the devil’s science by the devil himself. Just as the Creator uses the ministry of angels to perform miracles, as Scripture and tradition teach, so the demons could avail themselves of the ministry of certain men in order to accomplish their prodigies. History testifies to this supposition unequivocally. Recall the Pharaoh’s magic at the time of Moses. Certain experiments conducted in the United States about 40 years ago could lead us to accept this hypothesis as true for our era, too. The most astonishing of the “paranormal” experiments was conducted by the U.S. Navy in 1943 in Philadelphia and at sea.
The experiment’s purpose was to record the effect of a strong magnetic current on a manned surface vessel. The results proved to be stupefying. The ship and its crew became invisible. The men experienced a strange sensation of dematerialization. One sees to what aberrations the use of a certain science can lead. Christ did not come in order to unveil for our use the laws of the universe, but rather truths of the supernatural order. Not that the doors of science must be systematically closed, but that men, in the state of sin, cannot cross the threshold without danger, and if they go too far, it is certainly not in accord with the divine will. “Science without conscience is the soul’s ruin,” wrote Montaigne. Then, if it is not the Creator who arouses such curiosity, it can only be His enemy, the Serpent of Genesis. The power that the devil possesses over man…provides a supplementary confirmation.
Taking these considerations into account, we cannot exclude a priori a direct intervention of men in producing the UFO phenomenon….Nevertheless, such an intervention could not occur without an indirect action of the devil, as we have just seen….In the end times, Satan will put everything into play in order to “ape” God in His miracles and set himself against Him, going so far as to produce false resurrections of persons from the past. These false resurrections…based on a technique of “prolonged astral bilocation,” reserved to the damned, who are entirely deprived of liberty, were announced by the Blessed Virgin in her message at La Salette. Yes, Satan rules, but God keeps watch.
Oracles and Prophecy
The parallel that exists between miracle and prodigy also exists between prophecy and oracle. Can the devil know the future? The answer is found in making a distinction between the realities of the supernatural world and those of the created universe. Concerning the supernatural world, Lucifer’s henchmen are like men: they only know what it has pleased God to reveal; with this difference, that, since the fall, the demons are plunged into complete blindness as regards spiritual realities. The import of this fundamental truth is that only God can exactly foresee future events and conduct human history, arena of man’s free will, to its end. For, if that were not so, it would suppose that either human freedom does not exist, or that the devil can know ahead of time the choices that the men yet to be born will make. But the “secret of hearts” is known to God alone. The devil does not know and can never know how men will respond to the graces that are offered or will be offered by the Creator.
On the other hand, as regards the created universe of which he perfectly knows the laws, he can certainly predict the consequences of certain phenomena. Knowing the causes, he can perceive the effects even in cases where the events are unforeseeable to man, who never knows completely the chain of causes and effects.
The prediction of future events which depend upon free choices is the realm of what is called “prophecy”; the prediction of events determined by the interventions of the devil falls into the domain of oracle. The demons are not prophets, but only diviners, that is, what are called “oracles.” If in the Old Testament God had His prophets, the devil had his oracles. Sometimes these diviners even predicted the opposite of what the demons wanted, as is shown by the story of Balaam.
The reason for the reappearance of oracles would be that, by submitting himself once again to the power of the devil, man gives him a certain hold on the future, on his own future, reality henceforth coinciding with the disoccultation of the Luciferian Plan. Thus it is Lucifer’s plan that, with God’s permission and in a language that remains hermetic, the devil reveals to us. It is a sure bet that part of this plan has been accomplished in a world where he has succeeded in becoming master of causes by subjecting the minds and souls of men and human societies. That still does not make it prophecy, however.
To close this topic, let us say a few words about the reasons for their apparent and forbidding obscurity. Prophecies and oracles are, in fact, ordinarily incomprehensible whatever their language or style.
First of all, they are given for a time of which their contemporaries have no idea. Would we have been able to imagine the television in the 12th century? The representation of the television being impossible, the words to describe it would have been very obscure, not corresponding to any concrete object familiar to the minds of men living at the time. Moreover, as regards prophecy, God would annul our liberty were He to reveal to us too distinctly the future. Why should we change our lives if we cannot change our destiny! To use the current language, such an attitude on God’s part would be demoralizing. But God, who created man free, totally respects man’s liberty. St. Augustine said that God, who made us without our will, cannot save us without our participation. This is so true that all the end times messages of the Blessed Virgin Mary for the last 150 years are always conditional: “If you do not convert…if you do not amend your life….” She has never affirmed that no matter what we do, there would be wars.
As for oracles, their obscurity results not only from the fact that Satan is the Ape of God, or that enigma is a source of fascination and seduction and foments in men the desire for power; it also results from the fact that he is not the master of free wills, and thus cannot exactly predict the future. Thus obscurity, double and triple meanings, constitute opportune screens. He cannot fail or be taken in a lie. It is simply a precaution on Lucifer’s part. Besides, with the passage of time, it is clear that prophecy can never be perfectly understood until it has come to pass.
We conclude by answering a question that is surely in the reader’s mind. How can we men ever discern the true from the false, the miracle from prodigy, for want of knowing the secret of hearts and the laws of matter? The answer is to be found in traditional catechisms. We can discern the true from the false, the miracle from prodigy, by the gift of the discernment of spirits, which we receive in Confirmation. But the soul must be open to the reception of this gift.
What is needed is a faith submissive to the teaching of the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church; a faith fortified by the reception of the sacraments and by perseverance in prayer and penance. But systematic doubt, “searching,” as they say today, discussion of revealed truths accompanied by a worldly and dissipated life lead sooner or later to supernatural blindness and render the soul extremely vulnerable to the deceits of the devil. This is what the Blessed Virgin has reminded us in her messages at La Salette, Lourdes, and Fatima, to name just the best known, and, moreover, incontestably recognized by the Catholic Church. That is the only possible protection against the devil. There is no other.
1. Summa Theologica, I-I, Q. 50, A. 1.
2. This description appeared under the name of an Orthodox priest, Fr. Rodion, of St. Petersburg, in 1992; it was cited on pp. 200, 201 in the book by Vladimir Fedorovski, Le département du diable [The Devil’s Department] (Plon, 1996). (Appendix to Les OVNI Identifiés by Alain Kerizo)
3. ST, I-I, Q. 61, A. 3.
4. Bishop Gaume, Traité du Saint Esprit.
5. In “L’etat mystique” of Bishop Saudreau (Angers, 1921) one reads this very interesting remark: “It even seems that the devil is not allowed to perfectly reproduce the human form.” He adds in a footnote: “We had learned from various sources this peculiarity before reading it in Suarez, who evokes the testimony of several authors and the avowals of witches. One day, a confrere was consulting us on suspicious apparitions; we advised him to find out about the shape of the feet: the seer looked. They were animal feet.” This is not without interest when one considers attentively the accounts of “humanoids” piloting the UFO’s!
6. Especially since a fourth, much simpler, hypothesis seems to us to be more likely: The devil could simply have transported the frogs that he had gathered up a few miles from there, in order to place them at the disposition of Pharaoh’s magicians! Accounts of kidnappings by the UFO’s are frequent. Who can do the greater deed can do the lesser. In the magicians’ trade, only the end justifies the means adopted to make a deep impression. Such is the case of the notorious Filipino sorcerers who, operating with bare hands, extract from their patients’ bodies divers objects (cotton, scissors, etc.), which seduces the patients; but the objects must not come from very far: the operator’s pocket, for example!
Great post Incred. Time now for a little fun. At first I thought it read 'Albert Einstein, shortly after his death what he thought about the origin of UFOs. You see Einstein stuff became so absurd in order to rescue heliocentrism from scientific falsification due to the Airy and M&M tests that his Special Theory of relativity could push time into the future and back to the past.
‘It is like claiming, as a proof that a man always speaks the truth, the fact that he says he does… Through long familiarity with the world, physicists have unconsciously come to believe that mass, time, distance, and such terms mean the same for hypothetical particles as for the senses. They have forgotten that their world is metaphorical, and interpret the language literally.’--- H. Dingle: op. cit., p.233.
Hands up who saw Stephen Spielberg’s movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? If you have, surely you remember when the alien spacecraft landed on Earth after that impressive musical communication between the scientists and the aliens; an exchange of people took place. As each human man disembarked someone called out their names and dates of their ‘disappearance’ from a book? As it turned out most of them were fighter pilots of the Second World War that presumably had gone missing at the time. As each came out from the aliens’ flying-saucer, looking dazed of course, but young men, lean and fit, one of the scientists present was scripted to say: ‘Einstein was right.’ Go google ‘arrival of mothership’ and see the proof of Einstein’s STR on film at 1.55 minutes. I was probably the only person who saw the film who knew what they meant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HeW3GxRa0
Here they are communicating with each other. Aliens farting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZj7gUIO-2k&ab_channel=VincentV.C.
I sort of expect a 2024 Hollywood sequel, "Close Encounters of the Kabbalah Kind",
where Aliens come to help wipe-out the un-vaccinated goyim and bring the zionists their demonic messiah.
Dr. Robert Sungenis, in addition to doing a heavy duty critique of Dr. Paul Thigpen's book for one month starting on Nov. 15th at https://isoc.ws/ (https://isoc.ws/) will also subject it to a devastating critique in the upcoming November issue of Culture Wars magazine. (https://isoc.ws/)
(https://isoc.ws/)
As an aside, I should highlight the fact that Thigpen is the Editor of TAN Books no less and his above book is being published by TAN. Also, Thigpen according to the National Catholic Registar article is apparently an avowed heliocentrist. Just more manifestations of how far astray TAN has gone since it was taken away from its founder Thomas A. Nelson.
(https://tanbooks.com/products/books/tan-books/pre-order/extraterrestrial-intelligence-and-the-catholic-faith/)
Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.First off, this would be preternatural, not supernatural.
Catholic theology tells us not to assign a supernatural causality to anything that can be explained by natural causes. Thus, if someone claims they were abducted by aliens, a Catholic does not assume this was a demon, since there are several natural causes that could account for such a claim, such as that the person is lying or is delusional.
CHARITY posted this on Cosmology poll. I think this is so serious that it deserves a post of its ownDr. Paul Thigpen, Editor of Tan Books and the author of the above book wherein he informs us that we may have ETs out there who are not of an angelic nature also informs us in the following article that at least some of our pet animals might be up in heaven! No, I am not making this up. And it appears that his thinking in this regard has been most influenced by the Prot C S Lewis! See https://www.simplycatholic.com/animals-in-heaven/
https://www.ncregister.com/interview/extraterrestrial-intelligence-and-the-catholic-faith
Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith
A conversation with Paul Thigpen
‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ title=‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ ‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ (photo: TAN Books)
K.V. Turley Interviews July 23, 2022
Author Paul Thigpen earned a B.A. in religious studies from Yale University (1977) and an M.A. (1993) and Ph.D. (1995) in historical theology from Emory University, where he was awarded the George W. Woodruff Fellowship. In 2008, he was appointed as a lay representative on the National Advisory Council of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
He has published 35 books and more than 500 journal and magazine articles in more than 40 religious and secular periodicals for both scholarly and popular audiences. His work has been translated into 12 languages.
His latest book is Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith: Are We Alone in the Universe With God and the Angels? (TAN Books).
On July 15, he spoke via email to the Register.
Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.Another thing they want us to believe they can protect us from ?
Catholic theology tells us not to assign a supernatural causality to anything that can be explained by natural causes. Thus, if someone claims they were abducted by aliens, a Catholic does not assume this was a demon, since there are several natural causes that could account for such a claim, such as that the person is lying or is delusional.
As far as the whole recent military UAP deal, I'm not quite sure what to make of that but I think on the whole it is a massive hoax perpetrated by our government. I'm talking about the claims that their pilots are making to the world that they have seen vehicles flying around in the air that defy the laws of physics, and even the video footage provided as proof of these claims. I think the only plausible explanation for these pilots' claims and the footage we've seen is that the pilots are being told to lie about this stuff and the footage is either entirely fake or is an entirely normal visual effect that has been re-interpreted to the ignorant public to be something alien. (The so-called "pyramid ufo (https://www.sciencealert.com/pentagon-confirms-pyramid-shaped-ufo-video-footage-is-authentic)" footage, for example, has been proven by amateur photographers to be nothing more than a lighting effect on the lens that occurs when you close a triangular shutter most of the way on an infrared camera; I suspect the other things such as the Tic-Tac thing or the other famous ones are similarly susceptible to an simple and normal explanation).
As far as what the motive of the government is in pranking the public like this, I don't really know, but the whole thing is obviously a hoax.
The entire myth of aliens will vanish when people let go of the lie that earth is a globe dangling, or darting around somewhere in infinite space. Earth is middle place between heaven and hell; good old terra firma covered by a firmament dome, where the sun, moon and stars are not alien-producing worlds, but lights.!00% agree. My concern is that vast numbers of the population, including many sincere traditional Catholics, are so manipulated by the lying government/ lying media/ lying "educational" system that when the alien DISCLOSURE begins, they will be caught totally off-guard.
Here is a short clip of Sungenis speaking of Thigpen's book: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FCuxX1YwjA (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FCuxX1YwjA)Sneak peek of the beginning and of the end of Dr. Sungenis review:
I have seen Sungenis' rather substantial and blistering review of the book (which has not yet been released to the general public) and all I can say for now is that I think it was extremely well done and it was one that very much needed to be made.
If Paul Thigpen would have spent more time analyzing the UFO phenomena from the
military and demonic influences than from the C. S. Lewis influences, I think his book would
have been written much differently.
Here we have Paul Thigpen, the Editor of TAN Books as well as a serial author of TAN Books (https://tanbooks.com/search-results-page?q=paul%20thigpen (https://tanbooks.com/search-results-page?q=paul thigpen)) being interviewed by his friend and the CEO and Publisher of TAN Books Conor Gallagher.
At about 9:35 Thigpen states: "Just as the Church was able to accommodate the so called Copernican Revolution ..." He immediately goes on to say, "We came to realize that the scientific evidence showed that that [the Earth being at the center of the universe] was not true." Here and elsewhere he shows that he rejects the Church's Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and Magisterium in rejecting geocentrism.
(Tom Nelson, the Founder and long time CEO and Publisher of TAN Books was definitely a geocentrist. I can remember how he drove all the way from Rockford, Illinois to South Bend, Indiana to attend the First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism (http://www.geocentrism.com/geo_broch.pdf (http://www.geocentrism.com/geo_broch.pdf) ). I felt privileged to sit by him and talk with him at the Conference. I was told by a nun and dear friend of the great Catholic author and geocentrist Paula Haigh, R.I.P.that she wanted very much to come to the Conference, but was too ill to do so.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J1mURCWpBo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J1mURCWpBo)
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1572335060153470977More info on how it took them TWO YEARS to write that song! LOL
The U.S. Space Force, the newest military branch established in 2019 under President Trump, has officially adopted its own song titled “Semper Supra”
Here is a short clip of Sungenis speaking of Thigpen's book: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FCuxX1YwjA (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FCuxX1YwjA)It appears that Daniel O'Connor agrees with Sungenis as seen here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/ufo-and-alien-deception-a-diabolical-preparation-for-the-antichrist/
CHARITY posted this on Cosmology poll. I think this is so serious that it deserves a post of its own
Is belief in ETI compatible with Catholic Church teaching?
After years of study and prayer, I’ve become convinced that it is. Some Christian theologians of the past have asserted that there can be no intelligent species other than humanity and the angels (fallen and unfallen). But their reasoning was most often flawed by a reliance on certain philosophical or scientific assumptions of ancient pagan philosophers that have proven to be wrong — such as the notion that planet Earth is the center of the universe. Others have insisted, for example, that the existence of other intelligent species would somehow diminish God’s special relationship with the human race. Yet, as St. John Paul II once said of aliens: “They are children of God as we are.”
It appears that Daniel O'Connor agrees with Sungenis as seen here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/ufo-and-alien-deception-a-diabolical-preparation-for-the-antichrist/
(https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/ufo-and-alien-deception-a-diabolical-preparation-for-the-antichrist/)
UFO and alien deception: a diabolical preparation for the Antichrist
Catholic philosopher Daniel O'Connor explains how we're being primed for a great alien deception that will serve as a significant trial for the Church and its relation to the coming prophesied chastisement of the world.
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(LifeSiteNews (https://www.lifesitenews.com/)) — Today on The John-Henry Westen Show, I have a fascinating conversation with Catholic philosopher Daniel O’Connor about UFOs, aliens, and the Antichrist.
O’Connor explains how we’re being primed for a great alien deception that will serve as a significant trial for the Church and its relation to the coming prophesied chastisement of the world.
“If you look at the frog in the water example where you have to boil the frog gradually for him to not jump out of the pot, that’s what’s been happening with these UFO deceptions, these alien deceptions, the great final trial of the Church,” he says. “It’s mysterious, the details of it, but I think we’re living in the initial stages of it now, and for that to really reach its climax, they’re going to need to present a ‘new gospel’ to us from ‘the heavens.'”
“And what better way to do that than through a supposed revelation of aliens that they have in turn been preparing us for years now with these UFO reports, which just in the last couple of years have suddenly exploded into the mainstream like never before,” he adds.
O’Connor, who not too long ago had been working on his Ph.D. in philosophy at the State University of New York, was kicked out for refusing to get the abortion-tainted COVID jab. His religious exemption was denied with no opportunity to appeal.
He believes the “demonic” alien deceptions and the COVID jab mandates have something in common: They’re both preparing us for the mark of the beast and the coming of the Antichrist.
“I’m not saying the vaccine is literally the mark of the beast or anything like that, but it seems to be a preparation for those times where I think that we’ve been in boot camp for the last couple of years,” O’Connor says. “I think that what’s been going on has been a training for us for what is coming next. And if you’ve been giving in to these mandates and these diabolical directives, you better be really careful, because tomorrow you might just succuмb to something even graver, even more diabolical. Maybe the mark of the beast itself.”