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The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
« on: September 17, 2022, 10:30:25 AM »
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  • CHARITY posted this on Cosmology poll. I think this is so serious that it deserves a post of its own 

    https://www.ncregister.com/interview/extraterrestrial-intelligence-and-the-catholic-faith

    Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith
    A conversation with Paul Thigpen
        ‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ title=‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ ‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ (photo: TAN Books)
    K.V. Turley Interviews July 23, 2022
    Author Paul Thigpen earned a B.A. in religious studies from Yale University (1977) and an M.A. (1993) and Ph.D. (1995) in historical theology from Emory University, where he was awarded the George W. Woodruff Fellowship. In 2008, he was appointed as a lay representative on the National Advisory Council of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

    He has published 35 books and more than 500 journal and magazine articles in more than 40 religious and secular periodicals for both scholarly and popular audiences. His work has been translated into 12 languages.

    His latest book is Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith: Are We Alone in the Universe With God and the Angels? (TAN Books).
    On July 15, he spoke via email to the Register.


    Given your previous books on aspects of spiritual warfare, are the alleged encounters with extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI) simply a form of demonic deception?
    As even a few secular commentators on this matter have noted, some of the alleged “alien abduction” or “alien encounter” reports do seem to have parallels with historical and contemporary accounts of experiences that the Church recognizes to be diabolical. Even so, we can’t simply dismiss the entire phenomenon as a globally extended case of demonic deception. The great majority of sightings and personal experiences related to UFOs (“Unidentified Flying Objects’; aka UAPs, “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena”) don’t fit that pattern at all.

    Is there anything from the saints that can help point us to an understanding of this subject?
    Though they rarely addressed the matter directly, notable Fathers and Doctors of the Church (St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas and others) offer us theological insights that help us understand how the existence of ETI is possible from a Catholic perspective. More directly to the point: Pope St. John Paul II, St. Pio of Pietrelcina (Padre Pio), Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich and Venerable Andrea Beltrami were all reported to affirm the existence of ETI. Padre Pio’s comments about extraterrestrial races are especially intriguing, given his oft-demonstrated and verified gift of knowledge granted by God about hidden matters.

    Is belief in ETI compatible with Catholic Church teaching?
    After years of study and prayer, I’ve become convinced that it is. Some Christian theologians of the past have asserted that there can be no intelligent species other than humanity and the angels (fallen and unfallen). But their reasoning was most often flawed by a reliance on certain philosophical or scientific assumptions of ancient pagan philosophers that have proven to be wrong — such as the notion that planet Earth is the center of the universe. Others have insisted, for example, that the existence of other intelligent species would somehow diminish God’s special relationship with the human race. Yet, as St. John Paul II once said of aliens: “They are children of God as we are.”


    Do the sacred Scriptures shed light on this topic?
    Many have argued that ETI cannot exist because it’s not clearly stated in the Bible. Scripture, however, is also silent about atoms and microbes, dinosaurs and duck-billed platypuses; yet we know these things are indeed real. The Bible is not intended to be an exhaustive description of all that exists, and the knowledge of alien existence is not essential to our salvation.

    Would the confirmed existence of ETI undermine the Christian faith, as some have claimed?
    The Church could accommodate such new scientific knowledge, just as she did the 16th-century scientific revolution demonstrating that the Earth is not the center of the solar system. If we were to encounter directly an alien species, with the possibility of communication, the Church would, of course, have many questions to ask about their spiritual and moral status. The answers to those questions would then shape the Church’s response to such creatures. As we examine the issues involved, we’re pressed to delve much deeper into the meaning of traditional Catholic teaching about the omnipotence and creativity of God, the image of God in humanity, the fall of the human race, the nature of the Incarnation, the means and scope of redemption and the reality of the “last things.”

    Why did you decide to write a book on this topic? And why now?
    Though, as I’ve noted, this book is not primarily about UFOs, recent events of the last few years have brought that topic into international prominence in a new way. Most recently, the U.S. Congress held the first hearings on the topic in half a century because of the national security implications of countless intrusions into our air space and waters by crafts of unknown origin exhibiting behaviors that seem to defy physics as we know it. The Pentagon has finally admitted publicly that we cannot account for many such phenomena and that they must be studied. I’m confident that more congressional hearings will be held, and eventually we will learn much more about what the Pentagon and the intelligence community already know.

    Meanwhile, several scientific organizations are now attempting to gather data about UFOs on their own, and their findings will be made public. If we are moving toward a public, authoritative disclosure confirming the existence of ETI, Catholics need to be prepared to incorporate that new information into their understanding of the universe. But they need not fear that such a discovery or disclosure would undermine their faith.

    What do you make of the seeming growing fascination with the paranormal and related topics in the wider media? Is there a potential positive at play here for evangelization?
    I’m convinced that in a world where our communion with God, the angels and the saints has been denied, people will seek out paranormal “communion” with anything out there that seems to be personal and beyond the confines of our mundane lives. The result has been disastrous for those who for this reason have delved deeply into the occult.

    With that in mind, I do warn those with an interest in UFOs to avoid seeking in the possibility of extraterrestrials some substitute for the reality of God. They must especially reject what has come to be known as the “ETI myth” — the notion that salvation will finally come to our sinful Earth through extraterrestrials who have “evolved” into a higher plane of consciousness. That’s a false hope.
    Meanwhile, yes, this situation presents a marvelous opportunity for sharing our faith. Many secular people today have been led to embrace not science, but scientism—the presumption that science is the only reliable source of knowledge and that whatever science cannot account for must not exist. This mistaken claim excludes the existence of God, angels, miracles, heaven and much more.
    Even so, many of these people, through their interest in UFOs and the paranormal, are now being pressed out of that materialist worldview by what they are learning about these subjects. I’m glad to see them slowly escaping the cage of a merely mechanical cosmos composed strictly of impersonal matter and energy. They have begun moving instead toward the glorious horizon of an infinite, personal, loving, redeeming God — and I want to help them on that journey of discovery.

    K.V. Turley K.V. Turley is the Register’s U.K. correspondent. He writes from London.


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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2022, 10:33:36 AM »
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  • Even if those in the Vatican were well aware that aliens are demons, it is unlikely that they would be opposing the aliens and drawing attention to the fact that the disobedience of the demons was done with PERFECT Knowledge, whereas less-than-perfect Knowledge was a factor in the sinful disobedience of Adam.

    https://www.skywatchtv.com/2022/09/15/vatican-aliens-are-saviors/


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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #2 on: September 17, 2022, 12:04:25 PM »
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  • Even if those in the Vatican were well aware that aliens are demons, it is unlikely that they would be opposing the aliens and drawing attention to the fact that the disobedience of the demons was done with PERFECT Knowledge, whereas less-than-perfect Knowledge was a factor in the sinful disobedience of Adam.

    https://www.skywatchtv.com/2022/09/15/vatican-aliens-are-saviors/
    Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.

    Catholic theology tells us not to assign a supernatural causality to anything that can be explained by natural causes. Thus, if someone claims they were abducted by aliens, a Catholic does not assume this was a demon, since there are several natural causes that could account for such a claim, such as that the person is lying or is delusional.

    As far as the whole recent military UAP deal, I'm not quite sure what to make of that but I think on the whole it is a massive hoax perpetrated by our government. I'm talking about the claims that their pilots are making to the world that they have seen vehicles flying around in the air that defy the laws of physics, and even the video footage provided as proof of these claims. I think the only plausible explanation for these pilots' claims and the footage we've seen is that the pilots are being told to lie about this stuff and the footage is either entirely fake or is an entirely normal visual effect that has been re-interpreted to the ignorant public to be something alien. (The so-called "pyramid ufo" footage, for example, has been proven by amateur photographers to be nothing more than a lighting effect on the lens that occurs when you close a triangular shutter most of the way on an infrared camera; I suspect the other things such as the Tic-Tac thing or the other famous ones are similarly susceptible to an simple and normal explanation).

    As far as what the motive of the government is in pranking the public like this, I don't really know, but the whole thing is obviously a hoax.

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #3 on: September 17, 2022, 12:26:26 PM »
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  • Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.
    This is a bit sweeping.  You’ve really never met a sane person who saw something that doesn’t or shouldn’t exist?  I see no harm in assuming it’s demons.  Or witches. I wouldn’t be investigating to find out.:incense: 

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #4 on: September 17, 2022, 12:35:06 PM »
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  • You’ve really never met a sane person who saw something that doesn’t or shouldn’t exist? 


    I don't think so, no. At least off the top of my head I can't think of anyone.

    Sane people assume some sort of natural explanation when they see something they can't understand. They assume it's an airplane or a helicopter or even just their imagination. That's why they don't go around believing they've seen something impossible. They believe they saw something possible that they just couldn't identify.


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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #5 on: September 17, 2022, 01:31:06 PM »
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  • It is not impossible that Lucifer's angels (devils) could well appear in the future disguised as aliens. Now you may well ask why this might happen. The possibility of other worlds and intelligent beings on them has been around for a long time. Well before Christ the Pythagoreans had conjured up the belief that the world evolved from atoms. Now if the Earth and mankind evolved then it is perfectly reasonable to assert other such worlds also evolved with their intelligent life we call aliens.

    Along came the Christ and the Bible with its revelation of a created Earth, created Man in His image, then Original sin and redemption by Christ the son of God as the second person of the Trinity. We were told all about the afterlife.

    Once Christianity began, the assertion that other worlds and other aliens exist was condemned by the Fathers throughout the early centuries. In 748AD, Pope Zachary I declared heretical the belief that stars were suns with similar worlds like Earth around them and that on these bodies are other intelligent beings. In 1459 Pope Pius II rejected the doctrine ‘that God created another world than this one.’ In 1591, Pope Gregory XIII’s Corpus of Canon Law was expanded and included the heresy ‘having the opinion of innumerable worlds.’

    ‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem, “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son]” Aristotle had insisted that many worlds cannot exist since it would require more than one First Cause.’-- Prof. A. Martinez.

    Then along came Copernicus and his heliocentrism one of the same Pythagorean heresies condemned in the early Church. In the year 1600, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for his heresies, one of them being that there are many other worlds like ours that have life on them, intelligent-beings now called aliens, a belief that for Catholicism must involve other Adams and Eves, other alien original sins and even other Christs.

    Kepler also put out his belief in Aliens.

    ‘In the latter half of the sixteenth century these evolutionary theories seemed to take a more definite form in the mind of Giordano Bruno, who evidently divined the fundamental idea of what is now known as the “nebular hypothesis,” [the evolution of their solar system, resurrected in 1755 by the German philosopher Immanuel Kant and modified in 1796 by Pierre Laplace].  Yet within the two centuries divided by Bruno’s death the world was led into a new realm of thought in which an evolution theory of the visible universe was sure to be rapidly developed.’

    In 1820, Pope Pius VII allowed this evolved heliocentric world to be believed by Catholics. From then on NOTHING was forbidden about Big Bang evolution. Now as we said, if the Earth and man evolved then why not other worlds and aliens. Totally forgotten were the alien heresies condemned in the early Church as well as those that Bruno was burned at the stake for.

    Thus began the acceptance by churchmen that aliens may exist even though that would make the Genesis Catholic faith alone redundant. In 2009, the Vatican had begun hosting conferences with scientists and religious leaders discussing the implications for religion and human consciousness if extraterrestrial life is found on ‘numerous worlds.’ One statement was that aliens would be part of God’s Creation so would be regarded as our ‘extraterrestrial brothers.’ Here is another:
     
    ‘Father Funes described the discovery as ‘great news.’ Writing in the Vatican’s daily newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, he said: ‘Our galaxy contains more than a hundred billion stars. ‘Considering the number of exoplanets discovered, it seems that the vast majority of stars in our galaxy, at least potentially, can have planets where life could develop.’ He said that if there is intelligent life found on another planet, he does not see it as a contradiction to the Christian faith. He said: ‘The Bible is not a scientific book. If we look for scientific responses to our questions in the Bible, we are making a mistake. It is just over 380 years since the Catholic Church condemned Galileo for arguing that the Earth was not the centre of the universe. But it seems the Vatican has relaxed its view of mankind’s place in the cosmos and even believes there may be intelligent alien life out there. Astronomers at the Vatican Observatory, which has been studying the heavens since 1582, have said discoveries of new Earth-like planets have strengthened their belief that there could be life on other planets.’ ---Mailonline, 8th Feb, 2018.     


    ‘LOOKING FOR ALIENS,’ by M. Wertheim. ‘Throughout his astronomical career, Father George Coyne, senior scientist at the Vatican Observatory Research Group, whose work has inadvertently dovetailed with our growing desire for extraterrestrial contact, a subject about which he remains optimistically equivocal…. Roger Angel says: “Before, you could only speculate about extraterrestrial life. Now we’re at a point where we can make telescopes with which we can actually go looking for life.” Looking out at the telescopes arrayed around us, Fr Coyne suggests that we might view stars as God’s sperm. Every sperm has the potential to produce life, he says. Father Coyne is confident that we are not alone. As a priest and a scientist, the marvel for him is the universe itself.’ -- Science & Spirit website.

    There is now a Society of Catholic Scientists who in June 2021 held a three-day conference on ‘Extraterrestrials, AI, and Minds Beyond the Human.’

    Finally, if the devil got a bunch of demons to arrive in some craft saying they were aliens, where do you think that would leave the credibility of Genesis. With churchmen now prepared to accept their existence and sightings being reported as alien space ships, the scene is now set for Satan to make it happen. Pope Francis said recently he would baptise a Martian if asked, making a mockery of the sacrament that affects only the descendants of Adam and Eve.. He at least has no problems getting Martian aliens into heaven.

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #6 on: September 17, 2022, 02:21:52 PM »
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  • Thank you for re-starting this topic Cassini.

    This below traditional Catholic article was translated into English and re-published by the Angelus Press in 2001.

    The original French work by Alain Kerizo, pretty much settles any speculation about UFO-ʝʊdɛօ-mythology.


    Les OVNI identifiés: les extraterrestres dans le mystère d'iniquité
    Alain Kérizo Éd. Sainte Jeanne d'Arc, 1997 - 216 pages



    Who’s Behind The UFO Phenomenon?



    Alain Kerizo
    Artist’s sketch of an alien allegedly responsible for an alien abduction in New Hampshire (1961)

    Introduction
    The UFO phenomenon has been going on since antiquity, accounts of apparitions similar to the ones reported in the 20th century being found in the holy books of the various pagan religions. Interestingly, a significant lapse in the record of these events through history occurred during the ages of Faith, only to resume with the Protestant revolt. In our times, the literature on UFO’s has stacked up, and has gone beyond mere description of events. Authors writing from an atheistic or gnostic point of view have used the phenomenon to call into question Christianity, some going so far as to say that “all the religious manifestations [including Lourdes and Fatima, for example] are UFO’s.”

    To this assertion Alain Kerizo replies, “Absurd,” and he has presented his well-docuмented refutation in a book entitled Les OVNI identifiés: les extraterrestres dans le mystère d’iniquité [The UFO’s Identified: The Extraterrestrials in the Mystery of Iniquity, Villegenon, France: Editions Sainte Jeanne d’Arc, 1997]. Let us, then, try to extricate ourselves from the absurd starting with an excerpt from Kerizo’s book:

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    To do this, we are going to reverse the proposition of the UFOlogues and attempt to demonstrate that the UFO’s are a form specially adapted to the modern mentality of the old pagan religion, and, as such, opposed to the Christian religion. To do this, we shall proceed by showing:
    1) By an examination of the past, that in fact the phenomenon is present in the records of antiquity;
    2) By the study of a few cases of UFO sightings since 1950, that the current phenomena are related to those of the past by their significance;
    3) That the key to the mystery of the UFO’s is to be found in Christian demonology.
    4) Then we shall examine the mystery of iniquity through human history, and the place of the UFO’s therein;
    5) Finally, based upon this analysis we shall attempt to forecast for the future, more or less near, the unfolding of the mystery of iniquity.
    It is point three that is addressed in the following chapter of Kerizo’s book, “Angels and Demons—Miracles and Prodigies.” The key to understanding the UFO’s is to understand who in the world is capable of producing them.

    Good or Bad, Who Are the Angels?

    Albert Einstein, asked shortly before his death what he thought about the origin of UFO’s, said: “The UFO’s are piloted by men who left the earth ten thousand years ago.” Plainly, they are a link in the revelation and the accreditation of the New Religion, the religion of Man. It is necessary to bear in mind, however, that, in the creation narrative, Sacred Scripture only speaks to us of two kinds of intellectual natures: the angelic and the human. There are no others.
    Here is how Christian theology, in the person of Bishop Gaume in his Treatise on the Holy Ghost, introduces the existence of angels:

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    The wisest observation of divine laws proclaims this axiom: there is no leap in nature, nor rupture in the chain of beings. At the same time, it demonstrates that, in this magnificent chain, man cannot be the last link. God is the Ocean of Life. He diffuses it under all forms: vegetative, animal, intellectual. According as it is more or less abundant, life marks the hierarchical degree of beings. Now, it is more abundant as the being approaches nearer to God. Thus, in order to gather to Himself, by the necessary degrees, all creation descended from Him, the Almighty, whose infinite Wisdom delighted in the formation of the universe, has drawn from nothing several types of creatures: some both visible and purely material, such as the earth, water, plants; others both visible and invisible, material and immaterial, men; and finally others, invisible and immaterial, the angels. No less than the others, the latter are, then, a necessity of creation. Let us listen, on this subject, to one of the greatest theologians: “I answer that,” says St. Thomas, “there must be some incorporeal creatures. For what is principally intended by God in creatures is good, and this consists in assimilation to God Himself. And the perfect assimilation of an effect to a cause is accomplished when the effect imitates the cause according to that whereby the cause produces the effect. Now, God produces the creature by His intellect and will. Hence the perfection of the universe requires that there should be intellectual creatures…and of an incorporeal creature.”
    The angels are purely spiritual beings whose intellectual and volitional activity is not hampered by a body, nor subordinated in its exercise to organs or to the power of emotions, as is the human soul, which is the form of the body and composes with it a being whose spiritual activity can only be exercised by means of a body. This state of human intelligence is an inferior state which places man on the last rung of the scale of intelligences. “Nothing is in the understanding that is not first in the senses,” runs the Scholastic adage.

    St. Paul expresses the same truth when he says: “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made” (Rom. 1:20).

    As for the angel, he is endowed with a nature more perfect than ours. He has no need of sensible things to raise himself to the perception of intellectual truths. He is an admirable likeness of the Divinity, and it suffices for him to contemplate his own being and nature in order to attain to the knowledge of God and of His divine attributes.

    The understanding’s mode of apprehension still occurs by means of representation. But while for man, it is the exterior and material creatures that serve as a mirror [because nothing is in the intellect unless first in the senses.—Ed.], for the angel, it is his own intelligible nature. Nevertheless, although he is a pure spirit, the angel lacks the power to attain to the knowledge of God directly and without intermediary, face to face. What makes all the difference between the good angels and the bad, or demons, is that the good angels, by their submission and now elevation in glory, have access to truths and splendors of the supernatural order and of the beatific vision of God, whereas the bad angels, by their pride, are deprived of them, while conserving, because of their angelic nature, the understanding of truths of the natural order.

    The Characteristics of Extraterrestrials
     Compared to Demonic Attacks on Monks

    Here is a very simple docuмent that shows more insight into the phenomenon of UFO’s than the entire body of literature that has been written on the subject by UFOIogists, and by many modern churchmen.
    Characteristics of Extraterrestrials

    1) They sometimes show themselves to be very aggressive, wounding or even killing human beings or destroying equipment.

    2) Sometimes they kidnap men.

     3) In this case, they abuse them and remove from them some blood or a patch of skin.

    4) They hypnotize people and communicate with them by telepathy.

    5) Faced with a categoric refusal to communicate, they disappear.

    6) In some cases, the illnesses of those who have been in contact with the extraterrestrials have disappeared.

    7) Confronted by them, the human being experiences a sentiment of despair and of fear.

    8) The external appearance of the extraterrestrials varies. They can appear as dwarves or as giants, as men or women, or even as monsters.

    9) Their apparitions are often accompanied by light effects.

    10) They appear and disappear instantaneously.
    Characteristics of the Devil

    1) Man’s enemy, the devil, breaks down the monks’ cells and destroys their material possessions. He beats and wounds saints and hermits.

    2) The Sacred Scriptures mention cases of hermits being kidnapped by the devil.

    3) He often appears under the guise of a woman or a man in order to take advantage of the situation.

    4) He tries to make his thoughts penetrate the hermit’s mind.

    5) As soon as he meets with a categoric refusal by a man, or at a prayer, he disappears.

    6) The Holy Scriptures mention that magical practices can cure certain illnesses of men, but at the price of the sufferer’s losing all hope of everlasting life.

    7) The apparition of the devil causes a feeling of unease and of fear (see especially the life of St. Antony).

    8) He appears under various forms, whether human, animal or monster (see the life of St. Antony and of St. Brechnikov).

    9) He is a lightbearer.

    10) He disappears suddenly if presented with a crucifix or if sprinkled with holy water.
    This distinction is important because it allows one to understand both the extraordinary powers that demons exercise over material creation, and simultaneously, the enormity of their lies and errors regarding the truths of the supernatural world of the Divine. The truths they do hold are given to them by God, so that even by them all creatures attest His glory and that everything concurs, even the demons, to the salvation of those whom He has redeemed by the sacrifice of His Incarnate Word….

    If it is true that God created all things without intermediary, by direct action, and that He also intervenes in the conservation of all that exists, it is no less certain that God has instituted amongst His creatures an order, a hierarchy. Thus, certain inferior creatures, in their conservation and in their action, depend on superior creatures, which are themselves incapable of subsisting without God’s action, but which can nevertheless cooperate in the activity of maintaining in existence and in the development of other creatures. Given the elevation of the pure spirits and of their relative nearness to the First Cause, it is not surprising that they play an extensive role in the divine government of material creatures and of those composed of spirit and matter, men.
    This doctrine rejoins that of the ancient philosophers, Aristotle in particular, who did not hesitate to attribute to superior motions, such as the planets or sun in the signs of the zodiac, a considerable influence on the vital phenomena of generation and conception. It rejoins—and with reason (for we know henceforth the nature of Those who have taught them)—the hypotheses of occultists, astrologers, and other magicians who accord to the stars moved by such intelligences, and to disembodied spirits, an extensive power over terrestrial elements and even human beings.

    It is not surprising, then, that the exposé that St. Thomas Aquinas makes on this subject brings a solution to the problem posed by the UFO’s.
    We shall set forth Catholic doctrine relative to the power of the angels over creation under three aspects: 1) corporeal creatures; 2) man; 3) human societies. We shall see that Catholic doctrine answers and explains all the cases of UFO’s, which we shall henceforth qualify as “diabolic infestations,” in conformity to the terminology used by theology.

    The Power of Angels Over Corporeal Creation
    The angels are not “ethereal” creatures, separated from creation. They have a role to play in the universe. Says St. Thomas:

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    For the angels are part of the universe: they do not constitute a universe of themselves; but both they and corporeal natures unite in constituting one universe. This stands in evidence from the relationship of creature to creature; because the mutual relationship of creatures makes up the good of the universe. But no part is perfect if separate from the whole.
    It is written: “In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.” By “heaven,” according to St. Augustine commenting on this verse, is meant primordial angelic nature, and by “earth” primordial corporeal nature. Created pure spirits, at the pinnacle of the pyramid of created being, they dominate in some way the universe, material, visible, and invisible; they preside over its government and conservation. They are the active agents of divine Providence. By virtue of this office, they have a perfect knowledge of the material order of created things and of the laws that preside over its development. They make use of it in order to fulfill the mission of general government and to fulfill particular missions of assistance to men, as the Bible shows in many examples.

    One sees them in the Old Testament take the natural form of the human body to appear to Abraham and the prophets, or conduct the Hebrew people out of Egypt; and in the New Testament in order to announce to the Blessed Virgin that she has been chosen to bring forth the Savior. Finally, in both Testaments, one sees them work miracles by the divine power.
    This is true of the good angels, but in the beginning, the demons made up part of the angelic Powers who governed the corporeal order. They, too, belonged to the nine choirs of angels who were commissioned to direct the universe. Among the nine choirs, there is one, the Virtues, specially appointed to the working of miracles. Chased from the empyrean heaven since their disobedience, the demons were cast into hell. Nevertheless, they will not be relegated there definitively until the Judgment Day. Until then, they exercise their art, so to speak, on visible creation, within the limit allowed by God. But since man constitutes the king and summit of this creation, it is therefore by man that they are led to attack God.

    As the primordial angelic nature was made light, that is to say, converted to the Word who is light, after a trial destined to test his submission, so the demon served unconsciously to try the fidelity of man towards his Creator. Had he triumphed in this trial, man would have been like the good angels, converted to the light. Following man’s disobedience, Satan was able to put on the insignia of his new kingdom, and become “the prince of this world,” the title which our Lord recognized to him in the Gospel.

    Let us underline this fundamental point. If man had not sinned by disobeying, Satan would not have been able to do more. He would never have been able to infiltrate the government of the created universe. His judgment would have been definitively pronounced. He would have been relegated to hell for eternity and we would never again have been tempted. It was by his sin that man and all that depended on him was arrayed under his banner, and Satan, until the coming of Christ, was able to thwart the effects of the divine government of the world exercised by the ministry of the good angels, except, however, the people of God. We have indicated the consequences of this government, the immense catastrophes and the bloody disorders that it provoked.

    The coming of the Savior and the expansion of Christianity eclipsed his empire for a time. But, since the Renaissance, the devil has been in a strong position to reassert his empire over matter, men, and civil society, paralyzing more than ever the government of the good angels. It is in our day that these words of St. Paul find their full meaning realized:

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    For the expectation of the creature waiteth for the revelation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity: not willingly, but by reason of him that made it subject, in hope. Because the creature also itself shall be delivered from the servitude of corruption, into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. For we know that every creature groaneth and travaileth in pain, even till now. And not only it, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit: even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption of the sons of God, the redemption of our body. (Rom. 8:19-23)
    In these latter days more than ever, creation is subject to the assaults and power of the devil. And the devil spreads ugliness and unhappiness everywhere, by the intermediary of men who are enslaved to him. He intervenes directly by his manifestations (among which are the UFO’s); by disasters of all kinds; by earthquakes, which some say often coincide with the sightings of UFO’s; by the disturbances that he introduces in the regular course of the seasons and the growing cycle; by the desertification of the lands that are subject to his reign; by the perturbations that he provokes in space-time; by his prodigies of all kinds; and finally, by possession, often unbeknownst to the victims, of the minds of men.

    The power of angels over the material universe perfectly explains the phenomena associated with UFO’s: the sudden apparition and disappearance of craft, with or without the presence of beings resembling humans. All these characteristics justify the classification of the UFO phenomenon as demonic infestations. One can readily explain their movements at incredible speed and their sudden disappearance by the fact that the demons are not subject, as are men, to the continuum of space and time. Their vessels seem to fall into another dimension, into another universe, that of spirit. This corresponds equally with the thesis of certain philosophers who admit the existence of angelic time, intermediary between divine eternity and human time.

    Over and beyond the difference between angelic time and the human time, other faculties reserved to the angels explain the phenomenon of UFO’s: the ability of pure spirits to materialize and dematerialize at will, that is to say, to borrow the forms or appearances of material creation, human or animal. The serpent of Genesis, the dragons of the ancients, the human body: all these forms, more or less caricatured, have been borrowed by “the prince of this world” in the course of human history. What is noteworthy is the adaptation of the forms used to the changing mentality of men throughout history. In Antiquity, the form of the dragon was preferred because of its terrifying aspect, proper to inspire submission. In these times of the reign of technology and science, what could be more appropriate or refined, more “pregnant” and suggestive than the form of the cosmonaut, archetype of the man of civilizations who believe themselves to be or who desire to be superior; in a word, what could be more apt to seduce “modern man”?

    The devils make themselves by turns, according to an unrevealed strategic plan, terrifying or seductive. In fact, we should say both terrifying and seductive, because it is only by the poison of immediate seduction that their terrifying character can go unnoticed by men. They utilize material creation after the manner of magicians. Porphyrus already wrote about them:

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    They are the brothers of magic. Also, those who, by recourse to occult practices, commit evil actions, venerate them, especially their chief. They have an abundance of varied and false images of things, and by that means they are eminently skillful at putting into play secret means for organizing deceits.

    …Satan is always the same.
    In returning to the world, he comes with all the attributes of his antique royalty: oracles, prodigies, various manipulations, all the cortege of seduction, signs and instruments of rule with which he had filled the ancient world and with which he still fills the idolatrous world. All these things necessarily had to reappear in a world fallen once again under his dominion by the retreat of Christianity.
    The stage is the same, the actors are also the same, only the props have changed!

    Miracles and Prodigies
    But if there can be no doubt about the power of demons over matter, does it follow that they have unlimited power so as to be able to accomplish miracles? St. Thomas, treating of the divine government in the Summa Theologica, answers this question by distinguishing in living bodies two intrinsic principles: 1) matter, which as such is totally undifferentiated and therefore totally malleable and capable of receiving any kind of modification; and 2) the substantial form which, informing matter, organizes it and enables it to become some determinate corporeal entity: mineral, vegetable, animal.

    If angels or demons can make use of the plasticity of prime matter, they cannot, on the other hand, influence the substantial form. That power belongs to God. In other words, demons can accomplish prodigies, but they cannot work miracles. For example the transformation of a stone into a frog would constitute a miracle.

    There is a miracle strictly speaking when something is produced outside the order of nature. But for there to be a miracle it is not enough that something be accomplished outside the nature of a particular creature: for then, when someone throws a stone into the air he would work a miracle, since that is outside the nature of the stone. Thus a thing is a miracle if it occurs outside of the order of created nature. For only God can do that: whatever is accomplished by an angel or any other creature by its own power is accomplished according to the order of created nature: it is not a miracle.

    Further on, St. Thomas explains more fully what he means:

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    Because we do not totally know the power of created nature, when something occurs outside the order of nature, it appears to our eyes as a miracle. But when the demons accomplish something by virtue of their nature, we also call it a miracle, not absolutely speaking, but in relation to us. It is in this manner that the magi work “miracles” with the help of “demons.”
    He cites the case of the Pharaoh’s magicians who, by the power of demons, “produced real snakes and real frogs.” To explain these prodigies that look like miracles, St. Thomas formulates several possible explanations. The first depends on the demon’s power of suggestion over the human mind. The second stems from the demon’s power over nature to fabricate a body and to take the appearance of man or animal. Finally, to explain the apparition of living beings, St. Thomas attributes to the demons a perfect knowledge of the laws of life. He puts forth the hypothesis of the existence in a latent state, in prime matter, “vital seeds” capable of engendering life under certain exceptional circuмstances. The demons, more intelligent than we, would know these conditions. Recall that science, having discarded the hypothesis of spontaneous generation at the end of the 19th century, seems to be having recourse to it in our time. Let us not go further into this hypothesis,6 which does not directly concern our subject.

    Let us consider, rather the usefulness of the distinction between a supernatural event (miracle) and a preternatural event (prodigy) as it applies in the study of UFO’s. A miracle can only have as author God, Creator of all things, or else the angels to whom He has given the power to work miracles. A prodigy can only have as author the devil mastering the cosmic forces by means of a science of which we are ignorant….The true faith was proven by miracles. It is by prodigies that the religion of the devil will be insinuated into the minds of men. The devil likes to ape the Creator. He is storing up for us in future a cortege of stupefying prodigies which, according to Holy Scripture, would confound even the Elect in those days were they not preserved by a special grace!

    Hell’s Henchmen

    It is legitimate to enquire whether the prodigies realized in our times—the UFO’s, for example—might not be the work of men initiated into the devil’s science by the devil himself. Just as the Creator uses the ministry of angels to perform miracles, as Scripture and tradition teach, so the demons could avail themselves of the ministry of certain men in order to accomplish their prodigies. History testifies to this supposition unequivocally. Recall the Pharaoh’s magic at the time of Moses. Certain experiments conducted in the United States about 40 years ago could lead us to accept this hypothesis as true for our era, too. The most astonishing of the “paranormal” experiments was conducted by the U.S. Navy in 1943 in Philadelphia and at sea.

    The experiment’s purpose was to record the effect of a strong magnetic current on a manned surface vessel. The results proved to be stupefying. The ship and its crew became invisible. The men experienced a strange sensation of dematerialization. One sees to what aberrations the use of a certain science can lead. Christ did not come in order to unveil for our use the laws of the universe, but rather truths of the supernatural order. Not that the doors of science must be systematically closed, but that men, in the state of sin, cannot cross the threshold without danger, and if they go too far, it is certainly not in accord with the divine will. “Science without conscience is the soul’s ruin,” wrote Montaigne. Then, if it is not the Creator who arouses such curiosity, it can only be His enemy, the Serpent of Genesis. The power that the devil possesses over man…provides a supplementary confirmation.

    Taking these considerations into account, we cannot exclude a priori a direct intervention of men in producing the UFO phenomenon….Nevertheless, such an intervention could not occur without an indirect action of the devil, as we have just seen….In the end times, Satan will put everything into play in order to “ape” God in His miracles and set himself against Him, going so far as to produce false resurrections of persons from the past. These false resurrections…based on a technique of “prolonged astral bilocation,” reserved to the damned, who are entirely deprived of liberty, were announced by the Blessed Virgin in her message at La Salette. Yes, Satan rules, but God keeps watch.

    Oracles and Prophecy

    The parallel that exists between miracle and prodigy also exists between prophecy and oracle. Can the devil know the future? The answer is found in making a distinction between the realities of the supernatural world and those of the created universe. Concerning the supernatural world, Lucifer’s henchmen are like men: they only know what it has pleased God to reveal; with this difference, that, since the fall, the demons are plunged into complete blindness as regards spiritual realities. The import of this fundamental truth is that only God can exactly foresee future events and conduct human history, arena of man’s free will, to its end. For, if that were not so, it would suppose that either human freedom does not exist, or that the devil can know ahead of time the choices that the men yet to be born will make. But the “secret of hearts” is known to God alone. The devil does not know and can never know how men will respond to the graces that are offered or will be offered by the Creator.

    On the other hand, as regards the created universe of which he perfectly knows the laws, he can certainly predict the consequences of certain phenomena. Knowing the causes, he can perceive the effects even in cases where the events are unforeseeable to man, who never knows completely the chain of causes and effects.

    The prediction of future events which depend upon free choices is the realm of what is called “prophecy”; the prediction of events determined by the interventions of the devil falls into the domain of oracle. The demons are not prophets, but only diviners, that is, what are called “oracles.” If in the Old Testament God had His prophets, the devil had his oracles. Sometimes these diviners even predicted the opposite of what the demons wanted, as is shown by the story of Balaam.

    The reason for the reappearance of oracles would be that, by submitting himself once again to the power of the devil, man gives him a certain hold on the future, on his own future, reality henceforth coinciding with the disoccultation of the Luciferian Plan. Thus it is Lucifer’s plan that, with God’s permission and in a language that remains hermetic, the devil reveals to us. It is a sure bet that part of this plan has been accomplished in a world where he has succeeded in becoming master of causes by subjecting the minds and souls of men and human societies. That still does not make it prophecy, however.

    To close this topic, let us say a few words about the reasons for their apparent and forbidding obscurity. Prophecies and oracles are, in fact, ordinarily incomprehensible whatever their language or style.

    First of all, they are given for a time of which their contemporaries have no idea. Would we have been able to imagine the television in the 12th century? The representation of the television being impossible, the words to describe it would have been very obscure, not corresponding to any concrete object familiar to the minds of men living at the time. Moreover, as regards prophecy, God would annul our liberty were He to reveal to us too distinctly the future. Why should we change our lives if we cannot change our destiny! To use the current language, such an attitude on God’s part would be demoralizing. But God, who created man free, totally respects man’s liberty. St. Augustine said that God, who made us without our will, cannot save us without our participation. This is so true that all the end times messages of the Blessed Virgin Mary for the last 150 years are always conditional: “If you do not convert…if you do not amend your life….” She has never affirmed that no matter what we do, there would be wars.

    As for oracles, their obscurity results not only from the fact that Satan is the Ape of God, or that enigma is a source of fascination and seduction and foments in men the desire for power; it also results from the fact that he is not the master of free wills, and thus cannot exactly predict the future. Thus obscurity, double and triple meanings, constitute opportune screens. He cannot fail or be taken in a lie. It is simply a precaution on Lucifer’s part. Besides, with the passage of time, it is clear that prophecy can never be perfectly understood until it has come to pass.

    We conclude by answering a question that is surely in the reader’s mind. How can we men ever discern the true from the false, the miracle from prodigy, for want of knowing the secret of hearts and the laws of matter? The answer is to be found in traditional catechisms. We can discern the true from the false, the miracle from prodigy, by the gift of the discernment of spirits, which we receive in Confirmation. But the soul must be open to the reception of this gift.

    What is needed is a faith submissive to the teaching of the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church; a faith fortified by the reception of the sacraments and by perseverance in prayer and penance. But systematic doubt, “searching,” as they say today, discussion of revealed truths accompanied by a worldly and dissipated life lead sooner or later to supernatural blindness and render the soul extremely vulnerable to the deceits of the devil. This is what the Blessed Virgin has reminded us in her messages at La Salette, Lourdes, and Fatima, to name just the best known, and, moreover, incontestably recognized by the Catholic Church. That is the only possible protection against the devil. There is no other.


    1. Summa Theologica, I-I, Q. 50, A. 1.
    2. This description appeared under the name of an Orthodox priest, Fr. Rodion, of St. Petersburg, in 1992; it was cited on pp. 200, 201 in the book by Vladimir Fedorovski, Le département du diable [The Devil’s Department] (Plon, 1996). (Appendix to Les OVNI Identifiés by Alain Kerizo)
    3. ST, I-I, Q. 61, A. 3.
    4. Bishop Gaume, Traité du Saint Esprit.
    5. In “L’etat mystique” of Bishop Saudreau (Angers, 1921) one reads this very interesting remark: “It even seems that the devil is not allowed to perfectly reproduce the human form.” He adds in a footnote: “We had learned from various sources this peculiarity before reading it in Suarez, who evokes the testimony of several authors and the avowals of witches. One day, a confrere was consulting us on suspicious apparitions; we advised him to find out about the shape of the feet: the seer looked. They were animal feet.” This is not without interest when one considers attentively the accounts of “humanoids” piloting the UFO’s!
    6. Especially since a fourth, much simpler, hypothesis seems to us to be more likely: The devil could simply have transported the frogs that he had gathered up a few miles from there, in order to place them at the disposition of Pharaoh’s magicians! Accounts of kidnappings by the UFO’s are frequent. Who can do the greater deed can do the lesser. In the magicians’ trade, only the end justifies the means adopted to make a deep impression. Such is the case of the notorious Filipino sorcerers who, operating with bare hands, extract from their patients’ bodies divers objects (cotton, scissors, etc.), which seduces the patients; but the objects must not come from very far: the operator’s pocket, for example!



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  • Thank you very much cassini for your very cognizant and well-informed comments.

    Dr. Robert Sungenis, in addition to doing a heavy duty critique of Dr. Paul Thigpen's book for one month starting on Nov. 15th at  https://isoc.ws/ will also subject it to a devastating critique in the upcoming November issue of Culture Wars magazine. 

    As an aside, I should highlight the fact that Thigpen is the Editor of TAN Books no less and his above book is being published by TAN.  Also, Thigpen according to the National Catholic Registar article is apparently an avowed heliocentrist.  Just more manifestations of how far astray TAN has gone since it was taken away from its founder Thomas A. Nelson.


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  • Thank you very much cassini for your very cognizant and well-informed comments.

    Dr. Robert Sungenis, in addition to doing a heavy duty critique of Dr. Paul Thigpen's book for one month starting on Nov. 15th at https://isoc.ws/ will also subject it to a devastating critique in the upcoming November issue of Culture Wars magazine. 

    As an aside, I should highlight the fact that Thigpen is the Editor of TAN Books no less and his above book is being published by TAN.  Also, Thigpen according to the National Catholic Registar article is apparently an avowed heliocentrist.  Just more manifestations of how far astray TAN has gone since it was taken away from its founder Thomas A. Nelson.

    Poor Mr. Thomas Nelson, who did so much good for the Church by bringing back traditional Catholic books which had been out-of-print.

    This sad situation reminds me of what they did to Mother Angelica when they stold EWTN from her.
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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
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  • This quote from Who’s Behind the UFO Phenomenon, “These false resurrections...based on a technique of ‘prolonged astral bilocation,’ reserved to the damned, who are entirely deprived of liberty, were announced by the Blessed Virgin in her message at La Salette,” is this from the approved apparition or from writings placed on the index?  This is from the Angelus and that is an SSPX publication, no?  So, I’m thinking this has nothing to do with our Sunday obligation nor taking the Lord’s name in vain, so it’s not approved?  Or it is approved?

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  • This quote from Who’s Behind the UFO Phenomenon, “These false resurrections...based on a technique of ‘prolonged astral bilocation,’ reserved to the damned, who are entirely deprived of liberty, were announced by the Blessed Virgin in her message at La Salette,” is this from the approved apparition or from writings placed on the index?  This is from the Angelus and that is an SSPX publication, no?  So, I’m thinking this has nothing to do with our Sunday obligation nor taking the Lord’s name in vain, so it’s not approved?  Or it is approved?
    Wow, thanks, Melanie! Looks like I'm finally starting to make some headway shining some light on La Salette. :cowboy:


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  • Good or Bad, Who Are the Angels?

    Albert Einstein, asked shortly before his death what he thought about the origin of UFO’s, said: “The UFO’s are piloted by men who left the earth ten thousand years ago.” Plainly, they are a link in the revelation and the accreditation of the New Religion, the religion of Man. It is necessary to bear in mind, however, that, in the creation narrative, Sacred Scripture only speaks to us of two kinds of intellectual natures: the angelic and the human. There are no others.

    Great post Incred. Time now for a little fun. At first I thought it read 'Albert Einstein, shortly after his death what he thought about the origin of UFOs. You see Einstein stuff became so absurd in order to rescue heliocentrism from scientific falsification due to the Airy and M&M tests that his Special Theory of relativity could push time into the future and back to the past.


    ‘It is like claiming, as a proof that a man always speaks the truth, the fact that he says he does… Through long familiarity with the world, physicists have unconsciously come to believe that mass, time, distance, and such terms mean the same for hypothetical particles as for the senses. They have forgotten that their world is metaphorical, and interpret the language literally.’--- H. Dingle: op. cit., p.233.

    Hands up who saw Stephen Spielberg’s movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? If you have, surely you remember when the alien spacecraft landed on Earth after that impressive musical communication between the scientists and the aliens; an exchange of people took place. As each human man disembarked someone called out their names and dates of their ‘disappearance’ from a book? As it turned out most of them were fighter pilots of the Second World War that presumably had gone missing at the time. As each came out from the aliens’ flying-saucer, looking dazed of course, but young men, lean and fit, one of the scientists present was scripted to say: ‘Einstein was right.’ Go google ‘arrival of mothership’ and see the proof of Einstein’s STR on film at 1.55 minutes. I was probably the only person who saw the film who knew what they meant.



    Here they are communicating with each other. Aliens farting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZj7gUIO-2k&ab_channel=VincentV.C.



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  • Here they are communicating with each other. Aliens farting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZj7gUIO-2k&ab_channel=VincentV.C.

    Made me think of the "bean scene" in Blazing Saddles.

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  • Thank you for re-starting this topic Cassini.

    This below traditional Catholic article was translated into English and re-published by the Angelus Press in 2001.

    The original French work by Alain Kerizo, pretty much settles any speculation about UFO-ʝʊdɛօ-mythology.


    Les OVNI identifiés: les extraterrestres dans le mystère d'iniquité
    Alain Kérizo Éd. Sainte Jeanne d'Arc, 1997 - 216 pages



    Who’s Behind The UFO Phenomenon?



    Alain Kerizo
    Artist’s sketch of an alien allegedly responsible for an alien abduction in New Hampshire (1961)

    Introduction
    The UFO phenomenon has been going on since antiquity, accounts of apparitions similar to the ones reported in the 20th century being found in the holy books of the various pagan religions. Interestingly, a significant lapse in the record of these events through history occurred during the ages of Faith, only to resume with the Protestant revolt. In our times, the literature on UFO’s has stacked up, and has gone beyond mere description of events. Authors writing from an atheistic or gnostic point of view have used the phenomenon to call into question Christianity, some going so far as to say that “all the religious manifestations [including Lourdes and Fatima, for example] are UFO’s.”

    To this assertion Alain Kerizo replies, “Absurd,” and he has presented his well-docuмented refutation in a book entitled Les OVNI identifiés: les extraterrestres dans le mystère d’iniquité [The UFO’s Identified: The Extraterrestrials in the Mystery of Iniquity, Villegenon, France: Editions Sainte Jeanne d’Arc, 1997]. Let us, then, try to extricate ourselves from the absurd starting with an excerpt from Kerizo’s book:
    It is point three that is addressed in the following chapter of Kerizo’s book, “Angels and Demons—Miracles and Prodigies.” The key to understanding the UFO’s is to understand who in the world is capable of producing them.

    Good or Bad, Who Are the Angels?

    Albert Einstein, asked shortly before his death what he thought about the origin of UFO’s, said: “The UFO’s are piloted by men who left the earth ten thousand years ago.” Plainly, they are a link in the revelation and the accreditation of the New Religion, the religion of Man. It is necessary to bear in mind, however, that, in the creation narrative, Sacred Scripture only speaks to us of two kinds of intellectual natures: the angelic and the human. There are no others.
    Here is how Christian theology, in the person of Bishop Gaume in his Treatise on the Holy Ghost, introduces the existence of angels:
    The angels are purely spiritual beings whose intellectual and volitional activity is not hampered by a body, nor subordinated in its exercise to organs or to the power of emotions, as is the human soul, which is the form of the body and composes with it a being whose spiritual activity can only be exercised by means of a body. This state of human intelligence is an inferior state which places man on the last rung of the scale of intelligences. “Nothing is in the understanding that is not first in the senses,” runs the Scholastic adage.

    St. Paul expresses the same truth when he says: “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made” (Rom. 1:20).

    As for the angel, he is endowed with a nature more perfect than ours. He has no need of sensible things to raise himself to the perception of intellectual truths. He is an admirable likeness of the Divinity, and it suffices for him to contemplate his own being and nature in order to attain to the knowledge of God and of His divine attributes.

    The understanding’s mode of apprehension still occurs by means of representation. But while for man, it is the exterior and material creatures that serve as a mirror [because nothing is in the intellect unless first in the senses.—Ed.], for the angel, it is his own intelligible nature. Nevertheless, although he is a pure spirit, the angel lacks the power to attain to the knowledge of God directly and without intermediary, face to face. What makes all the difference between the good angels and the bad, or demons, is that the good angels, by their submission and now elevation in glory, have access to truths and splendors of the supernatural order and of the beatific vision of God, whereas the bad angels, by their pride, are deprived of them, while conserving, because of their angelic nature, the understanding of truths of the natural order.

    The Characteristics of Extraterrestrials
     Compared to Demonic Attacks on Monks

    Here is a very simple docuмent that shows more insight into the phenomenon of UFO’s than the entire body of literature that has been written on the subject by UFOIogists, and by many modern churchmen.
    Characteristics of Extraterrestrials

    1) They sometimes show themselves to be very aggressive, wounding or even killing human beings or destroying equipment.

    2) Sometimes they kidnap men.

     3) In this case, they abuse them and remove from them some blood or a patch of skin.

    4) They hypnotize people and communicate with them by telepathy.

    5) Faced with a categoric refusal to communicate, they disappear.

    6) In some cases, the illnesses of those who have been in contact with the extraterrestrials have disappeared.

    7) Confronted by them, the human being experiences a sentiment of despair and of fear.

    8) The external appearance of the extraterrestrials varies. They can appear as dwarves or as giants, as men or women, or even as monsters.

    9) Their apparitions are often accompanied by light effects.

    10) They appear and disappear instantaneously.
    Characteristics of the Devil

    1) Man’s enemy, the devil, breaks down the monks’ cells and destroys their material possessions. He beats and wounds saints and hermits.

    2) The Sacred Scriptures mention cases of hermits being kidnapped by the devil.

    3) He often appears under the guise of a woman or a man in order to take advantage of the situation.

    4) He tries to make his thoughts penetrate the hermit’s mind.

    5) As soon as he meets with a categoric refusal by a man, or at a prayer, he disappears.

    6) The Holy Scriptures mention that magical practices can cure certain illnesses of men, but at the price of the sufferer’s losing all hope of everlasting life.

    7) The apparition of the devil causes a feeling of unease and of fear (see especially the life of St. Antony).

    8) He appears under various forms, whether human, animal or monster (see the life of St. Antony and of St. Brechnikov).

    9) He is a lightbearer.

    10) He disappears suddenly if presented with a crucifix or if sprinkled with holy water.
    This distinction is important because it allows one to understand both the extraordinary powers that demons exercise over material creation, and simultaneously, the enormity of their lies and errors regarding the truths of the supernatural world of the Divine. The truths they do hold are given to them by God, so that even by them all creatures attest His glory and that everything concurs, even the demons, to the salvation of those whom He has redeemed by the sacrifice of His Incarnate Word….

    If it is true that God created all things without intermediary, by direct action, and that He also intervenes in the conservation of all that exists, it is no less certain that God has instituted amongst His creatures an order, a hierarchy. Thus, certain inferior creatures, in their conservation and in their action, depend on superior creatures, which are themselves incapable of subsisting without God’s action, but which can nevertheless cooperate in the activity of maintaining in existence and in the development of other creatures. Given the elevation of the pure spirits and of their relative nearness to the First Cause, it is not surprising that they play an extensive role in the divine government of material creatures and of those composed of spirit and matter, men.
    This doctrine rejoins that of the ancient philosophers, Aristotle in particular, who did not hesitate to attribute to superior motions, such as the planets or sun in the signs of the zodiac, a considerable influence on the vital phenomena of generation and conception. It rejoins—and with reason (for we know henceforth the nature of Those who have taught them)—the hypotheses of occultists, astrologers, and other magicians who accord to the stars moved by such intelligences, and to disembodied spirits, an extensive power over terrestrial elements and even human beings.

    It is not surprising, then, that the exposé that St. Thomas Aquinas makes on this subject brings a solution to the problem posed by the UFO’s.
    We shall set forth Catholic doctrine relative to the power of the angels over creation under three aspects: 1) corporeal creatures; 2) man; 3) human societies. We shall see that Catholic doctrine answers and explains all the cases of UFO’s, which we shall henceforth qualify as “diabolic infestations,” in conformity to the terminology used by theology.

    The Power of Angels Over Corporeal Creation
    The angels are not “ethereal” creatures, separated from creation. They have a role to play in the universe. Says St. Thomas:
    It is written: “In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.” By “heaven,” according to St. Augustine commenting on this verse, is meant primordial angelic nature, and by “earth” primordial corporeal nature. Created pure spirits, at the pinnacle of the pyramid of created being, they dominate in some way the universe, material, visible, and invisible; they preside over its government and conservation. They are the active agents of divine Providence. By virtue of this office, they have a perfect knowledge of the material order of created things and of the laws that preside over its development. They make use of it in order to fulfill the mission of general government and to fulfill particular missions of assistance to men, as the Bible shows in many examples.

    One sees them in the Old Testament take the natural form of the human body to appear to Abraham and the prophets, or conduct the Hebrew people out of Egypt; and in the New Testament in order to announce to the Blessed Virgin that she has been chosen to bring forth the Savior. Finally, in both Testaments, one sees them work miracles by the divine power.
    This is true of the good angels, but in the beginning, the demons made up part of the angelic Powers who governed the corporeal order. They, too, belonged to the nine choirs of angels who were commissioned to direct the universe. Among the nine choirs, there is one, the Virtues, specially appointed to the working of miracles. Chased from the empyrean heaven since their disobedience, the demons were cast into hell. Nevertheless, they will not be relegated there definitively until the Judgment Day. Until then, they exercise their art, so to speak, on visible creation, within the limit allowed by God. But since man constitutes the king and summit of this creation, it is therefore by man that they are led to attack God.

    As the primordial angelic nature was made light, that is to say, converted to the Word who is light, after a trial destined to test his submission, so the demon served unconsciously to try the fidelity of man towards his Creator. Had he triumphed in this trial, man would have been like the good angels, converted to the light. Following man’s disobedience, Satan was able to put on the insignia of his new kingdom, and become “the prince of this world,” the title which our Lord recognized to him in the Gospel.

    Let us underline this fundamental point. If man had not sinned by disobeying, Satan would not have been able to do more. He would never have been able to infiltrate the government of the created universe. His judgment would have been definitively pronounced. He would have been relegated to hell for eternity and we would never again have been tempted. It was by his sin that man and all that depended on him was arrayed under his banner, and Satan, until the coming of Christ, was able to thwart the effects of the divine government of the world exercised by the ministry of the good angels, except, however, the people of God. We have indicated the consequences of this government, the immense catastrophes and the bloody disorders that it provoked.

    The coming of the Savior and the expansion of Christianity eclipsed his empire for a time. But, since the Renaissance, the devil has been in a strong position to reassert his empire over matter, men, and civil society, paralyzing more than ever the government of the good angels. It is in our day that these words of St. Paul find their full meaning realized:
    In these latter days more than ever, creation is subject to the assaults and power of the devil. And the devil spreads ugliness and unhappiness everywhere, by the intermediary of men who are enslaved to him. He intervenes directly by his manifestations (among which are the UFO’s); by disasters of all kinds; by earthquakes, which some say often coincide with the sightings of UFO’s; by the disturbances that he introduces in the regular course of the seasons and the growing cycle; by the desertification of the lands that are subject to his reign; by the perturbations that he provokes in space-time; by his prodigies of all kinds; and finally, by possession, often unbeknownst to the victims, of the minds of men.

    The power of angels over the material universe perfectly explains the phenomena associated with UFO’s: the sudden apparition and disappearance of craft, with or without the presence of beings resembling humans. All these characteristics justify the classification of the UFO phenomenon as demonic infestations. One can readily explain their movements at incredible speed and their sudden disappearance by the fact that the demons are not subject, as are men, to the continuum of space and time. Their vessels seem to fall into another dimension, into another universe, that of spirit. This corresponds equally with the thesis of certain philosophers who admit the existence of angelic time, intermediary between divine eternity and human time.

    Over and beyond the difference between angelic time and the human time, other faculties reserved to the angels explain the phenomenon of UFO’s: the ability of pure spirits to materialize and dematerialize at will, that is to say, to borrow the forms or appearances of material creation, human or animal. The serpent of Genesis, the dragons of the ancients, the human body: all these forms, more or less caricatured, have been borrowed by “the prince of this world” in the course of human history. What is noteworthy is the adaptation of the forms used to the changing mentality of men throughout history. In Antiquity, the form of the dragon was preferred because of its terrifying aspect, proper to inspire submission. In these times of the reign of technology and science, what could be more appropriate or refined, more “pregnant” and suggestive than the form of the cosmonaut, archetype of the man of civilizations who believe themselves to be or who desire to be superior; in a word, what could be more apt to seduce “modern man”?

    The devils make themselves by turns, according to an unrevealed strategic plan, terrifying or seductive. In fact, we should say both terrifying and seductive, because it is only by the poison of immediate seduction that their terrifying character can go unnoticed by men. They utilize material creation after the manner of magicians. Porphyrus already wrote about them:
    The stage is the same, the actors are also the same, only the props have changed!

    Miracles and Prodigies
    But if there can be no doubt about the power of demons over matter, does it follow that they have unlimited power so as to be able to accomplish miracles? St. Thomas, treating of the divine government in the Summa Theologica, answers this question by distinguishing in living bodies two intrinsic principles: 1) matter, which as such is totally undifferentiated and therefore totally malleable and capable of receiving any kind of modification; and 2) the substantial form which, informing matter, organizes it and enables it to become some determinate corporeal entity: mineral, vegetable, animal.

    If angels or demons can make use of the plasticity of prime matter, they cannot, on the other hand, influence the substantial form. That power belongs to God. In other words, demons can accomplish prodigies, but they cannot work miracles. For example the transformation of a stone into a frog would constitute a miracle.

    There is a miracle strictly speaking when something is produced outside the order of nature. But for there to be a miracle it is not enough that something be accomplished outside the nature of a particular creature: for then, when someone throws a stone into the air he would work a miracle, since that is outside the nature of the stone. Thus a thing is a miracle if it occurs outside of the order of created nature. For only God can do that: whatever is accomplished by an angel or any other creature by its own power is accomplished according to the order of created nature: it is not a miracle.

    Further on, St. Thomas explains more fully what he means:
    He cites the case of the Pharaoh’s magicians who, by the power of demons, “produced real snakes and real frogs.” To explain these prodigies that look like miracles, St. Thomas formulates several possible explanations. The first depends on the demon’s power of suggestion over the human mind. The second stems from the demon’s power over nature to fabricate a body and to take the appearance of man or animal. Finally, to explain the apparition of living beings, St. Thomas attributes to the demons a perfect knowledge of the laws of life. He puts forth the hypothesis of the existence in a latent state, in prime matter, “vital seeds” capable of engendering life under certain exceptional circuмstances. The demons, more intelligent than we, would know these conditions. Recall that science, having discarded the hypothesis of spontaneous generation at the end of the 19th century, seems to be having recourse to it in our time. Let us not go further into this hypothesis,6 which does not directly concern our subject.

    Let us consider, rather the usefulness of the distinction between a supernatural event (miracle) and a preternatural event (prodigy) as it applies in the study of UFO’s. A miracle can only have as author God, Creator of all things, or else the angels to whom He has given the power to work miracles. A prodigy can only have as author the devil mastering the cosmic forces by means of a science of which we are ignorant….The true faith was proven by miracles. It is by prodigies that the religion of the devil will be insinuated into the minds of men. The devil likes to ape the Creator. He is storing up for us in future a cortege of stupefying prodigies which, according to Holy Scripture, would confound even the Elect in those days were they not preserved by a special grace!

    Hell’s Henchmen

    It is legitimate to enquire whether the prodigies realized in our times—the UFO’s, for example—might not be the work of men initiated into the devil’s science by the devil himself. Just as the Creator uses the ministry of angels to perform miracles, as Scripture and tradition teach, so the demons could avail themselves of the ministry of certain men in order to accomplish their prodigies. History testifies to this supposition unequivocally. Recall the Pharaoh’s magic at the time of Moses. Certain experiments conducted in the United States about 40 years ago could lead us to accept this hypothesis as true for our era, too. The most astonishing of the “paranormal” experiments was conducted by the U.S. Navy in 1943 in Philadelphia and at sea.

    The experiment’s purpose was to record the effect of a strong magnetic current on a manned surface vessel. The results proved to be stupefying. The ship and its crew became invisible. The men experienced a strange sensation of dematerialization. One sees to what aberrations the use of a certain science can lead. Christ did not come in order to unveil for our use the laws of the universe, but rather truths of the supernatural order. Not that the doors of science must be systematically closed, but that men, in the state of sin, cannot cross the threshold without danger, and if they go too far, it is certainly not in accord with the divine will. “Science without conscience is the soul’s ruin,” wrote Montaigne. Then, if it is not the Creator who arouses such curiosity, it can only be His enemy, the Serpent of Genesis. The power that the devil possesses over man…provides a supplementary confirmation.

    Taking these considerations into account, we cannot exclude a priori a direct intervention of men in producing the UFO phenomenon….Nevertheless, such an intervention could not occur without an indirect action of the devil, as we have just seen….In the end times, Satan will put everything into play in order to “ape” God in His miracles and set himself against Him, going so far as to produce false resurrections of persons from the past. These false resurrections…based on a technique of “prolonged astral bilocation,” reserved to the damned, who are entirely deprived of liberty, were announced by the Blessed Virgin in her message at La Salette. Yes, Satan rules, but God keeps watch.

    Oracles and Prophecy

    The parallel that exists between miracle and prodigy also exists between prophecy and oracle. Can the devil know the future? The answer is found in making a distinction between the realities of the supernatural world and those of the created universe. Concerning the supernatural world, Lucifer’s henchmen are like men: they only know what it has pleased God to reveal; with this difference, that, since the fall, the demons are plunged into complete blindness as regards spiritual realities. The import of this fundamental truth is that only God can exactly foresee future events and conduct human history, arena of man’s free will, to its end. For, if that were not so, it would suppose that either human freedom does not exist, or that the devil can know ahead of time the choices that the men yet to be born will make. But the “secret of hearts” is known to God alone. The devil does not know and can never know how men will respond to the graces that are offered or will be offered by the Creator.

    On the other hand, as regards the created universe of which he perfectly knows the laws, he can certainly predict the consequences of certain phenomena. Knowing the causes, he can perceive the effects even in cases where the events are unforeseeable to man, who never knows completely the chain of causes and effects.

    The prediction of future events which depend upon free choices is the realm of what is called “prophecy”; the prediction of events determined by the interventions of the devil falls into the domain of oracle. The demons are not prophets, but only diviners, that is, what are called “oracles.” If in the Old Testament God had His prophets, the devil had his oracles. Sometimes these diviners even predicted the opposite of what the demons wanted, as is shown by the story of Balaam.

    The reason for the reappearance of oracles would be that, by submitting himself once again to the power of the devil, man gives him a certain hold on the future, on his own future, reality henceforth coinciding with the disoccultation of the Luciferian Plan. Thus it is Lucifer’s plan that, with God’s permission and in a language that remains hermetic, the devil reveals to us. It is a sure bet that part of this plan has been accomplished in a world where he has succeeded in becoming master of causes by subjecting the minds and souls of men and human societies. That still does not make it prophecy, however.

    To close this topic, let us say a few words about the reasons for their apparent and forbidding obscurity. Prophecies and oracles are, in fact, ordinarily incomprehensible whatever their language or style.

    First of all, they are given for a time of which their contemporaries have no idea. Would we have been able to imagine the television in the 12th century? The representation of the television being impossible, the words to describe it would have been very obscure, not corresponding to any concrete object familiar to the minds of men living at the time. Moreover, as regards prophecy, God would annul our liberty were He to reveal to us too distinctly the future. Why should we change our lives if we cannot change our destiny! To use the current language, such an attitude on God’s part would be demoralizing. But God, who created man free, totally respects man’s liberty. St. Augustine said that God, who made us without our will, cannot save us without our participation. This is so true that all the end times messages of the Blessed Virgin Mary for the last 150 years are always conditional: “If you do not convert…if you do not amend your life….” She has never affirmed that no matter what we do, there would be wars.

    As for oracles, their obscurity results not only from the fact that Satan is the Ape of God, or that enigma is a source of fascination and seduction and foments in men the desire for power; it also results from the fact that he is not the master of free wills, and thus cannot exactly predict the future. Thus obscurity, double and triple meanings, constitute opportune screens. He cannot fail or be taken in a lie. It is simply a precaution on Lucifer’s part. Besides, with the passage of time, it is clear that prophecy can never be perfectly understood until it has come to pass.

    We conclude by answering a question that is surely in the reader’s mind. How can we men ever discern the true from the false, the miracle from prodigy, for want of knowing the secret of hearts and the laws of matter? The answer is to be found in traditional catechisms. We can discern the true from the false, the miracle from prodigy, by the gift of the discernment of spirits, which we receive in Confirmation. But the soul must be open to the reception of this gift.

    What is needed is a faith submissive to the teaching of the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church; a faith fortified by the reception of the sacraments and by perseverance in prayer and penance. But systematic doubt, “searching,” as they say today, discussion of revealed truths accompanied by a worldly and dissipated life lead sooner or later to supernatural blindness and render the soul extremely vulnerable to the deceits of the devil. This is what the Blessed Virgin has reminded us in her messages at La Salette, Lourdes, and Fatima, to name just the best known, and, moreover, incontestably recognized by the Catholic Church. That is the only possible protection against the devil. There is no other.


    1. Summa Theologica, I-I, Q. 50, A. 1.
    2. This description appeared under the name of an Orthodox priest, Fr. Rodion, of St. Petersburg, in 1992; it was cited on pp. 200, 201 in the book by Vladimir Fedorovski, Le département du diable [The Devil’s Department] (Plon, 1996). (Appendix to Les OVNI Identifiés by Alain Kerizo)
    3. ST, I-I, Q. 61, A. 3.
    4. Bishop Gaume, Traité du Saint Esprit.
    5. In “L’etat mystique” of Bishop Saudreau (Angers, 1921) one reads this very interesting remark: “It even seems that the devil is not allowed to perfectly reproduce the human form.” He adds in a footnote: “We had learned from various sources this peculiarity before reading it in Suarez, who evokes the testimony of several authors and the avowals of witches. One day, a confrere was consulting us on suspicious apparitions; we advised him to find out about the shape of the feet: the seer looked. They were animal feet.” This is not without interest when one considers attentively the accounts of “humanoids” piloting the UFO’s!
    6. Especially since a fourth, much simpler, hypothesis seems to us to be more likely: The devil could simply have transported the frogs that he had gathered up a few miles from there, in order to place them at the disposition of Pharaoh’s magicians! Accounts of kidnappings by the UFO’s are frequent. Who can do the greater deed can do the lesser. In the magicians’ trade, only the end justifies the means adopted to make a deep impression. Such is the case of the notorious Filipino sorcerers who, operating with bare hands, extract from their patients’ bodies divers objects (cotton, scissors, etc.), which seduces the patients; but the objects must not come from very far: the operator’s pocket, for example!


    The following is copied from Reply #11 at https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/the-ufo039s-identified-the-extraterrestrials-in-the-mystery-of-iniquity/msg84494/#msg84494     

    Note about the author of "Who's Behind the UFO Phenomenon?"
    (The Angelus, Oct. 2001)

    About 30 years ago, the author was indifferent to religious matters. Still, he was intrigued by the public's growing interest in paranormal phenomena, especially the existence of extraterrestrials. He began to take an interest in a number of esoteric themes, including UFO's.

    This curiosity led Alain Kerizo to investigate the origins of these beliefs, now universally held after a gestation of some 200 years. Today, the UFO phenomenon has metamorphosed. We now encounter fewer and fewer major spectacles, but more and more diabolical acts directed against individuals, the goal of which is the disorientation of the many. Seeing that this phenomenon is specifically anti-Christian, the author came to reflect on the reasons for this confrontation.

    He discovered with stupefaction that the Catholic Church, notably under Pius XII, had already reacted and had attempted to warn, not only Catholics, but also the whole human race against what he rightly considered to be one of the plagues of modern times. He understood that his duty was to inform the Catholics and the man in the street. This led him to write an essay called The Extraterrestrials and the Mystery of Iniquity. By directing his research towards the conversion of humanity, which he believed to be necessary, and by the accuмulation of in-depth analyses and little-known anecdotes, the author himself, quite logically, returned little by little to the Faith.

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  • Great post Incred. Time now for a little fun. At first I thought it read 'Albert Einstein, shortly after his death what he thought about the origin of UFOs. You see Einstein stuff became so absurd in order to rescue heliocentrism from scientific falsification due to the Airy and M&M tests that his Special Theory of relativity could push time into the future and back to the past.


    ‘It is like claiming, as a proof that a man always speaks the truth, the fact that he says he does… Through long familiarity with the world, physicists have unconsciously come to believe that mass, time, distance, and such terms mean the same for hypothetical particles as for the senses. They have forgotten that their world is metaphorical, and interpret the language literally.’--- H. Dingle: op. cit., p.233.

    Hands up who saw Stephen Spielberg’s movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? If you have, surely you remember when the alien spacecraft landed on Earth after that impressive musical communication between the scientists and the aliens; an exchange of people took place. As each human man disembarked someone called out their names and dates of their ‘disappearance’ from a book? As it turned out most of them were fighter pilots of the Second World War that presumably had gone missing at the time. As each came out from the aliens’ flying-saucer, looking dazed of course, but young men, lean and fit, one of the scientists present was scripted to say: ‘Einstein was right.’ Go google ‘arrival of mothership’ and see the proof of Einstein’s STR on film at 1.55 minutes. I was probably the only person who saw the film who knew what they meant.



    Here they are communicating with each other. Aliens farting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZj7gUIO-2k&ab_channel=VincentV.C.


    I sort of expect a 2024 Hollywood sequel, "Close Encounters of the Kabbalah Kind",
    where Aliens come to help wipe-out the un-vaccinated goyim and bring the zionists their demonic messiah.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi