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Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
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  • I sort of expect a 2024 Hollywood sequel, "Close Encounters of the Kabbalah Kind",
    where Aliens come to help wipe-out the un-vaccinated goyim and bring the zionists their demonic messiah.


    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/amex-walmart-are-companies-mandating-covid-vaccine-employees-rcna11049


    From Amex to Walmart, here are the companies mandating the Covid vaccines for employees


    Changes at the state and federal levels have complicated vaccination policies. These companies have made their plans clear. 

    A health worker administers a Covid-19 vaccination in Philadelphia on Dec. 20, 2021.
    A health worker administers a Covid-19 vaccine shot in Philadelphia on Dec. 20.Hannah Beier / Bloomberg via Getty Images file






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    Jan. 25, 2022, 3:08 PM CST / Updated Jan. 25, 2022, 9:44 PM CST
    By Haley Messenger
    As the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus struck communities nationwide last summer and fall, many companies stepped up their vaccination requirements, mandating that some or all employees get vaccinated or provide proof of vaccination, many doing so even before President Joe Biden announced the government's own mandates for workers in the U.S.
    The Biden administration's vaccination mandate for federal contractors is on hold, while another for certain health care workers remains in place. The government's mandate for large businesses with 100 or more employees was blocked by the Supreme Court in early January and formally withdrawn by the Labor Department’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration on Jan. 25.

    Here is the latest on the list of the companies that have already announced their vaccination plans: 
    American Express
    Starting Nov. 18 the credit card giant began requiring employees, contractors and visitors to be fully vaccinated to work in or visit its U.S. offices and “participate in in-person company-sponsored events,” CEO Steve Squeri said in an internal memo sent out to employees on Nov. 15. He also told employees that “unvaccinated U.S. colleagues and those who do not provide proof of vaccination can request a virtual work arrangement if they can do their jobs effectively from home.” 
    Citing the recent rapid spread of the omicron variant, the company delayed its greater hybrid office return, which had been set for Monday, until it feels “comfortable bringing a large number of colleagues back together in the office,” said a memo that was sent out to all U.S.-based employees on Jan. 4.  
    Amtrak
    The railroad service is requiring employees to have been vaccinated or submit to weekly Covid testing, suspending a blanket mandate that had been planned to go into effect on Jan. 4. In an internal memo that was shared with employees last month, CEO Bill Flynn said a federal court’s halt of the government's federal contractor vaccination mandate “caused the company to reevaluate” its “policy and to address the uncertainty about the federal requirements that apply to Amtrak.” Flynn also said that at the time, nearly 96 percent of employees either had been fully vaccinated or had received accommodations. 
    Anthem
    Employees must be fully vaccinated to enter offices that are open, including the health care insurance company’s headquarters in Indianapolis and its office in Atlanta, spokesperson Michelle Vanstory said.
    BlackRock
    Since July 1, only vaccinated employees and visitors to the investment giant have been allowed to return to the office, according to a company memo obtained by NBC News. All U.S.-based employees, regardless of any plans to return voluntarily, were required to report their vaccination statuses by June 30, 2021.  
    Since November, employees have been in the office for an average of three days per week, the company said Jan. 6 in an emailed statement, but they have recently been given the flexibility to work from wherever through Friday in light of the omicron variant. 
    Carhartt
    The heavy-duty apparel manufacturer said it is upholding its vaccination mandate for all employees, including retail, manufacturing and distribution workers, which went into effect Jan. 4 despite the recent Supreme Court ruling that struck down the federal mandate for large private employers.
    "We put workplace safety at the very top of our priority list and the Supreme Court’s recent ruling doesn’t impact that core value," CEO Mark Valade said in part in an email to employees on Jan. 14. " While we appreciate that there may be differing views, workplace safety is an area where we and the union that represents our associates cannot compromise. An unvaccinated workforce is both a people and business risk that our company is unwilling to take."
    Cisco
    The tech and telecoms conglomerate is allowing only vaccinated “critical workers” to go in to the office, and it is pursuing a fully hybrid approach. “Whether that means you work five days a week at home and gather with your team for activities and connection every once in a while, or you are in the office five days a week ... every Cisco employee will be hybrid,” Francine Katsoudas, the executive vice president and chief people, policy and purpose officer, wrote in a memo to employees in July.
    Citigroup
    The banking giant announced in August that employees would need to get vaccinated before they return to its offices, according to a LinkedIn post from Sara Wechter, the bank’s head of human resources. In a LinkedIn post this month, Wechter said that the company reached 99 percent compliance just one day before its deadline.  
    “This level of compliance helps us create a safer workplace, protect your families and our communities, and ensure continuity of our business operations,” Wechter wrote. 
    Columbia Sportswear 
    Corporate headquarters employees have until Feb. 1 to get vaccinated or seek accommodations, spokesperson Mary Ellen Glynn said. Those who do not comply “will be placed on unpaid leave and termination processes will begin.” There is no blanket mandate for Columbia’s retail associates or warehouse workers, Glynn confirmed.  
    CVS Health
    CVS said in August that it would require patient-facing and corporate employees to get their shots by Oct. 31, new hires by Sept. 15 and pharmacists in retail stores by Nov. 30. At the end of 2021, it expanded its vaccination mandate to all employees, including retail associates, spokesperson Erin Britt said by email this month. Newly mandated employees have until March 31 to be fully vaccinated, she said.
    The recent Supreme Court ruling does not change CVS Health’s vaccination policy, Britt said Jan. 14.
    The company's Jan. 10 office return was postponed.
    Deloitte
    The professional services firm required employees entering its facilities to be fully vaccinated by last Oct. 11. Deloitte spokesperson Jonathan Gandel said Jan. 14 that the requirement remains despite the Supreme Court’s ruling
    Delta Air Lines
    The airline announced in May that it would require all new U.S. hires to be vaccinated effective May 17. “This is an important move to protect Delta’s people and customers, ensuring the airline can safely operate as demand returns and as it accelerates through recovery and into the future,” the company wrote, adding that it would not be “putting in place a company-wide mandate to require current employees to be vaccinated.”  
    Those who are unvaccinated must take part in weekly Covid testing, CEO Ed Bastian told staffers in August. He also said that beginning Nov. 1, those who had not received their shots and were enrolled in the company’s health care plan would incur extra $200 monthly insurance charges. 
    DoorDash
    Since June, only fully vaccinated employees have been allowed to voluntarily return to the office. The company said in an email Jan. 14 that its policy has not changed since the Supreme Court ruling
    Its office return is delayed indefinitely.
    Equinox
    The luxury fitness company Equinox, which owns SoulCycle, announced in August that it would begin requiring members, riders and employees to provide one-time proof of vaccination to enter its facilities and offices, starting in New York City in September. “We have a responsibility to take bold action and respond to changing circuмstances with urgency. We encourage other leading brands to join us in this effort to best protect our communities,” Equinox Group Executive Chairman Harvey Spevak said in a statement.
    Ford
    Ford required most U.S. salaried employees to be fully vaccinated as of Dec. 8.  
    Ford said in an emailed statement this month that it is “reviewing” the recent Supreme Court ruling to determine whether any changes are needed in its current vaccination policy. It said 88 percent of its U.S. salaried employees had already been vaccinated. 
    Goldman Sachs
    Since Sept. 7, the investment bank has been requiring all people who enter its offices, including clients and visitors, to be fully vaccinated. Bloomberg reported that eligible employees entering Goldman Sachs facilities must have had booster shots by Feb. 1.  
    Google
    On July 28, Google became the first major tech company to announce a vaccination mandate for employees looking to return to the office. “Anyone coming to work on our campuses will need to be vaccinated. We’re rolling this policy out in the U.S. in the coming weeks and will expand to other regions in the coming months,” CEO Sundar Pichai wrote in a memo in July. Google said in an emailed statement Jan. 14 that it is no longer requiring vaccination as a condition of employment. 
    Google recently paused the launch of its broader return to the office and its hybrid workweek model, which had been scheduled for Jan. 10. The company said in part in an email on Jan. 5 that it will determine its new return date “based on local conditions.” 
    Jefferies
    The financial giant Jefferies will allow only vaccinated people into its offices and outside company events, CEO Rich Handler and President Brian Friedman said in a memo in July. “We require that, after Labor Day, anyone who is not fully vaccinated should continue to work from home, which fortunately has proven to be highly effective. We will closely monitor the situation and be ready to pivot and adapt whenever needed,” they wrote. 
    Handler and Friedman told employees in a memo last month that over 95 percent of the global firm’s population had been vaccinated and that boosters would “soon be a requirement” of the company’s “JefVaxPass strategy.” Most employees are already back in the office about three days a week, the executives said. 
    Lyft
    Since Aug. 2, corporate employees have been required to show proof of vaccination to enter offices, according to an internal note obtained by NBC News. “For those who choose to continue working from our offices — which will remain open — our current safety guidance remains in place, including our existing mask requirement and vaccine requirement going into effect August 2,” CEO and co-founder Logan Green said.  



    Nothing has changed in light of the Jan. 13 Supreme Court ruling
    “Our policy was in place before the federal mandate was announced, and there will be no changes to our policies for corporate employees,” spokesperson Ashley Adams said in an email Jan. 14.
    McDonald's
    The fast food chain required all U.S.-based office workers and visitors to be vaccinated as of Sept. 27, according to an internal note obtained by NBC News. The requirement does not apply to people who work in McDonald’s restaurants.
    Meta  
    The social media giant formerly known as Facebook said Jan. 10 that it would require proof of booster shots for eligible U.S. office workers starting March 28. It first announced a standard Covid vaccination mandate in July. 
    March 28 is also when workers are expected back in the office. The new date, delayed from Jan. 31, applies to those who do not request full-time remote work or temporarily pause their return through the company’s Office Deferral Program, which gives employees who may need more time an extra three to five months. 
    “We understand that the continued uncertainty makes this a difficult time to make decisions about where to work, so we’re giving more time to choose what works best for them,” Janelle Gale, the vice president for human resources, said in an emailed statement Jan. 10.    
    On Jan. 14, Meta said that its vaccination policy remains unchanged in light of the Jan. 13 Supreme Court decision.
    MGM Resorts International
    The hospitality chain is calling for its salaried workers and all new hires to be fully vaccinated, even if they are working from home, spokesperson Brian Ahern said. Unvaccinated hourly employees must provide proof of negative Covid tests every week. Ahern said this month that the policies still stand despite the Supreme Court decision. 
    Microsoft
    The tech company announced Aug. 3 that it would require proof of vaccination for all employees, vendors and guests, starting in September. The company did not say in its emailed statement whether the vaccination policy applies to employees who have been going into the office voluntarily since last spring or to those working at its retail stores. In an update on Sept. 9, Corporate Vice President Jared Spataro said in a blog post that the company had suspended its office return indefinitely, given the uncertainty of Covid. Employees had been set to return on Oct. 4. 
    Morgan Stanley
    The company announced in August that it would require U.S.-based employees to provide proof of vaccination by Oct. 1, Reuters reported. 
    NBCUniversal
    NBCUniversal, the parent company of NBC News, is requiring U.S.-based workers returning to the office to be fully vaccinated, Executive Vice President Adam Miller told employees in an email on Aug. 11. Employees will also be required to provide details about their vaccination status.
    The company’s Jan. 18 office return has been halted.  
    “We do not plan to embark on our larger return in January and the pause will remain in place until we begin to see significant declines in the spread of the virus,” Chairman Cesar Conde told employees in an internal memo Jan. 4.
    Netflix
    The streaming service requires vaccinations for the casts of all U.S. productions, as well as the people who work with them on set, the company confirmed.
    The New York Times
    New York Times Co. CEO Meredith Kopit Levien told staff members by email that the company will require proof of vaccination for those who want to go into the office voluntarily. The company is eyeing the first quarter of this year for its full office return, Times media reporter Katie Robertson tweeted Sept. 22. The return had been pushed back indefinitely from Sept. 7. 
    Saks
    The fashion company said it is asking employees to get vaccinated before they return to the office. “If we’re asking people to come back, we have to make the environment as safe as we possibly can,” CEO Marc Metrick told The New York Times in May.
    Salesforce
    The customer service software giant has allowed only vaccinated employees back in its offices as of May.
    TJX
    The parent company of off-price retailers like HomeGoods, Marshalls and T.J. Maxx required its U.S. “Home and Regional Office Associates” to be fully vaccinated by Nov. 1. 
    For the same employees who were vaccinated before June 1, a booster shot is required by Feb. 1, spokesperson Andrew Mastrangelo said in an email this month. Employees who were fully vaccinated with a two-dose vaccine after June 1 have up to eight months to get their boosters, while those with a one-dose vaccine have four months. “Accommodations can be requested by those who cannot be vaccinated due to qualified medical or religious reasons,” Mastrangelo said. 

    Although the requirements do not apply to the company’s retail and distribution center associates, Mastrangelo said TJX is “currently reviewing” what the recent Supreme Court ruling means for it. 
    Twitter
    The social media giant requires employees to be vaccinated and show proof of vaccination before they voluntarily return to the company’s San Francisco and New York offices. In May 2020, Twitter said employees could work from home for as long as they want.
    Tyson Foods
    The meat and poultry producer announced Aug. 3 that it would require its corporate workforce to be vaccinated by Oct. 1 and all other employees by Nov. 1, making it the largest U.S. food company to implement such a mandate. CEO Donnie King told employees that the company will also provide $200 to front-line team members who get the shots.
    Uber
    In an internal note obtained by NBC News, CEO Dara Khosrowshahi told employees that starting Aug. 2, they would be required to be fully vaccinated to return to the office. “If you are not vaccinated, you’ll need to work from home until you are fully vaccinated,” he wrote.
    Union Square Hospitality Group
    Union Square Hospitality Group, which operates restaurants in New York City and Washington, D.C., requires vaccinations for staff members and guests. “Beginning the day after Labor Day, we are going to require that 100 percent of our staff members be vaccinated and that any guest who wants to dine indoors will be vaccinated as well,” founder and CEO Danny Meyer told NBC News.
    United Airlines
    The air carrier required all U.S.-based employees to get vaccinated — and provide proof of their vaccinations — either five weeks after federal approval or by Oct. 25, 2021, whichever came first, the company first announced in a note to employees on Aug. 6. United previously required the shots only for new hires, and it became the first major U.S. airline to implement a blanket policy for all employees. CEO Scott Kirby said in January that he wanted to make Covid vaccinations mandatory for employees. 
    ViacomCBS
    CEO Bob Bakish told employees that the media conglomerate is requiring all U.S.-based employees working onsite during its “Yellow Phase” to be fully vaccinated, adding that it is still assessing whether the mandate will continue into the “Green Phase,” which is when most staff members will be back in the office.
    Walgreens
    The pharmacy giant requires workers in its support and corporate offices to be fully vaccinated, spokesperson Fraser Engerman said. Those who receive religious or medical exemptions have to undergo Covid testing.
    In mid-September, Walgreens put its previously set vaccination deadline of Sept. 30 on pause, Engerman said.
    Walmart
    Walmart corporate associates and new hires were required to get their shots by last Oct. 4, President and CEO Doug McMillon told employees in an internal memo in July. “As we all know, the pandemic is not over, and the Delta variant has led to an increase in infection rates across much of the U.S.,” he wrote. “Given this, we have made the decision to require all market, regional and divisional associates who work in multiple facilities and all campus office associates to be vaccinated by Oct. 4, unless they have an approved exception. This includes all new hires."
    More than 90 percent of Walmart's campus office workers are fully vaccinated, Chief People Officer Donna Morris said Dec. 1.
    The Walt Disney Company
    Disney requires all of its new salaried and nonunion hourly employees to get vaccinated before they head to work. The company said in part in an emailed statement on July 30: “Employees who aren’t already vaccinated and are working on-site will have 60 days from today to complete their protocols, and any employees still working from home will need to provide verification of vaccination prior to their return, with certain limited exceptions. Vaccines are the best tool we all have to help control this global pandemic and protect our employees.”
    The Washington Post
    Post employees, including new hires, must demonstrate proof of vaccination and must also get their booster shots, spokesperson Shani George said. Earlier, CEO Fred Ryan wrote in a memo advising staff members that they must be vaccinated: "Considering the serious health issues and genuine safety concerns of so many Post employees, I believe the plan is the right one.” The publication delayed its office return until March 15. 
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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #16 on: September 19, 2022, 06:19:52 PM »
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  • Dr. Robert Sungenis, in addition to doing a heavy duty critique of Dr. Paul Thigpen's book for one month starting on Nov. 15th at https://isoc.ws/ will also subject it to a devastating critique in the upcoming November issue of Culture Wars magazine. 

    As an aside, I should highlight the fact that Thigpen is the Editor of TAN Books no less and his above book is being published by TAN.  Also, Thigpen according to the National Catholic Registar article is apparently an avowed heliocentrist.  Just more manifestations of how far astray TAN has gone since it was taken away from its founder Thomas A. Nelson.


    Here is a short clip of Sungenis speaking of Thigpen's book: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FCuxX1YwjA

    I have seen Sungenis' rather substantial and blistering review of the book (which has not yet been released to the general public) and all I can say for now is that I think it was extremely well done and it was one that very much needed to be made.


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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #17 on: September 19, 2022, 06:54:30 PM »
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  • Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.

    Catholic theology tells us not to assign a supernatural causality to anything that can be explained by natural causes. Thus, if someone claims they were abducted by aliens, a Catholic does not assume this was a demon, since there are several natural causes that could account for such a claim, such as that the person is lying or is delusional.
    First off, this would be preternatural, not supernatural.

    That said, I don't entirely agree. By and large, yes, these claims made about "aliens" are most likely the delusions of individuals. But, the ones that actually do have significant proof surrounding them could be interpreted as demonic rather than "extraterrestrial".

    There's two books that are worth checking out on the subject, both explore the topic of UFOs as mystical religious phenomena, and the similarities are, unsurprisingly, close. Those books being American Cosmic by Diana Pasulka, a Novus Ordo professor of comparative religion; and Passport to Magonia by Jacques Vallee.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #18 on: September 19, 2022, 07:05:26 PM »
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  • CHARITY posted this on Cosmology poll. I think this is so serious that it deserves a post of its own

    https://www.ncregister.com/interview/extraterrestrial-intelligence-and-the-catholic-faith

    Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith
    A conversation with Paul Thigpen
        ‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ title=‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ ‘Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith’ (photo: TAN Books)
    K.V. Turley Interviews July 23, 2022
    Author Paul Thigpen earned a B.A. in religious studies from Yale University (1977) and an M.A. (1993) and Ph.D. (1995) in historical theology from Emory University, where he was awarded the George W. Woodruff Fellowship. In 2008, he was appointed as a lay representative on the National Advisory Council of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

    He has published 35 books and more than 500 journal and magazine articles in more than 40 religious and secular periodicals for both scholarly and popular audiences. His work has been translated into 12 languages.

    His latest book is Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith: Are We Alone in the Universe With God and the Angels? (TAN Books).
    On July 15, he spoke via email to the Register.

    Dr. Paul Thigpen, Editor of Tan Books and the author of the above book wherein he informs us that we may have ETs out there who are not of an angelic nature also informs us in the following article that at least some of our pet animals might be up in heaven!  No, I am not making this up.  And it appears that his thinking in this regard has been most influenced by the Prot C S Lewis!  See https://www.simplycatholic.com/animals-in-heaven/
    Animals in Heaven?

    Paul Thigpen

    Many Catholics ask whether animals have souls and go to heaven?

    The answer to the first question — do animals have souls? — depends, of course, on how we define “soul.” Ancient and medieval writers, both pagan and Christian, often used terms that we translate as “soul” (Greek psyche, Latin anima) to refer in general to that part of an animate (living) creature which sets it apart from inanimate (nonliving) creatures.
    In other words, a “soul” was simply a living creature’s “principle of life.”

    In fact, some biblical texts in the Old Testament seem to apply certain Hebrew terms in a similar way. For example, the phrase nephesh chayah (literally, “living soul”) can refer both to human beings (see Gn 2:7) and to animals (Gn 1:30).

    Ruach, the Hebrew term for “spirit” (and also for “breath,” as the indicator of life), is also applied to both humans and animals in Ecclesiastes 3:21. (It’s translated into English as “spirit” in the Revised Standard Version and as “life-breath” in the New American Bible).
    If we think of “soul” in this general sort of way, then, animals and even plants have what could be called a “soul” simply because they are alive. Thus the ancients spoke of animals as having “sensitive souls,” and plants as having “vegetative souls.”

    No doubt that sounds strange to our modern ears. How odd to think of the rosemary bush in the garden as having in some sense a “soul” — though, thank goodness, that “soul” would depart once it was harvested and dried to use in the spaghetti!

    The Unique Human Soul

    Nevertheless, it’s important to note that even if we use the term soul as the ancients did, we must observe (as they did) that plant, animal and human souls are of quite different kinds.

    The plant’s “vegetative soul” (its life principle) enables it to reproduce and to assimilate nourishment for growth. That’s something a rock, for example, can’t do.

    Animals can do that plus other things. Their “sensitive” souls allow them to move; to sense and respond to external stimuli; and (in some of them) to perform rudimentary mental functions such as learning and even communication.

    Even so, the human soul is unique. Of all earthly creatures, only humans are made in the image of God (see Gn 1:26-27). Their soul is actually an immortal spirit, fully rational, able to reason and communicate at high levels, and able to choose good or evil with a free will.
    Among earthly creatures, only humans are truly able to love in the full sense of the word: to will the highest good of another. Humans can know and love God and enter into friendship with Him in a way that no other earthly creature can.

    Through sanctifying grace, the human soul is capable of the Beatific Vision in heaven — that is, capable of entering so fully into union with God that we can see Him and know Him as He is.

    Perhaps our reader should say something like this to her young students: Animals have “souls” in the sense that they are alive; they aren’t just objects like rocks or chairs. That’s why we enjoy them so much!

    But their souls aren’t the same as human souls. The human soul is something much higher and greater, and that makes it possible for humans to have a deep friendship with God in a way that other creatures can’t.

    Animals in Heaven?
    So what about the second question: Do animals go to heaven?

    Some people point to the scriptural account of Elijah’s being taken to heaven by “a flaming chariot and flaming horses” as evidence that animals can be in heaven (see 2 Kgs 2:11-12). But it’s not possible to draw any firm conclusions about the matter from that particular passage.

    Given that human beings can have fellowship with God in a way that the animals can’t, it would make sense that life in heaven is a privilege that animals don’t share with us in any form. But Scripture seems to be silent about the matter, and the Church has never pronounced on it authoritatively.

    Before we assure children too quickly that only people go to heaven, we should remember that even great Christian thinkers such as C.S. Lewis (1898-1963) have debated this issue and left the possibility open.

    St. Thomas Aquinas (c. 1225-1274) taught that animal “souls” could not by their nature survive death. Unlike human souls, he said, they are perishable when separated from their proper bodies.

    Even so, perhaps that leaves open the possibility that God might choose to keep at least some animal “souls” from perishing after death, granting them a privilege beyond their natural capacity.

    In any case, we do know that, since animals cannot have sanctifying grace in their souls, they cannot receive the Beatific Vision. So if some animals go to heaven in some sense, it wouldn’t be for the same reason that humans are in heaven.

    What other reasons could there be? It just might be that God would allow the animals we’ve loved on earth to take part somehow in our heavenly life as part of our eternal happiness.

    In fact, since God himself takes delight in all the good creatures He has made, perhaps He would give animals some sort of life in heaven for the sake of His own pleasure and glory.

    As Lewis pointed out, even in this life our pets sometimes become an important part of our lives, almost an extension of who we are. Their association with us elevates them to a higher kind of life than they would have had on their own. (Recent studies of canine behavior actually seem to lend some scientific support to the latter idea.)

    “In this way,” Lewis concluded, “it seems to me possible that certain animals may have an immortality, not in themselves, but in the immortality of their masters.”

    Might this possibly be one aspect of the final renewal of all creation that Scripture talks about?

    St. Paul tells us that other creatures have suffered the consequences of human sin. But through Christ’s redemption of the human race, “creation itself” will be “set free from slavery to corruption and share in the glorious freedom of the children of God” (see Rom 8:20-22).
    At the very least, we can say that all we have loved on this earth has shaped who we are. So the effects of those loves on us, including our cherished memories of them, will in some sense live within us forever.

    Whatever the case, we probably do well to allow children to leave this particular question open. Perhaps the best answer would be to affirm that if, by God’s help, they go to heaven, they will carry their pets with them in their hearts.

    We can also assure children that God loves every creature He makes, that He loves their pets even more than they do, and that when their beloved pets die, we can entrust them to Him.

    Mosquitoes in Hell?
    Perhaps we should conclude with one final and encouraging note: Since the lower creatures aren’t morally responsible for their behavior on earth, they cannot deserve a reward, but neither can they deserve a punishment. So they cannot suffer in hell.
    One of Lewis’ readers once made fun of his speculation that at least some animals might be allowed a heavenly existence. The wag demanded to know: “Where will you put all the mosquitoes?”

    Unperturbed, Lewis replied wryly that, “if the worst came to the worst, a heaven for mosquitoes and a hell for men could very conveniently be combined.”




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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #19 on: September 19, 2022, 09:45:10 PM »
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  • Aliens are not demons. They are simply part of our modern folklore, a figment of people's imagination, as fairies were in the middle ages, or leprechauns, or similar things. They are not real, and therefore, people do not see them. And people who think they see them are people who see things that do not exist, i.e. they are simply crazy.

    Catholic theology tells us not to assign a supernatural causality to anything that can be explained by natural causes. Thus, if someone claims they were abducted by aliens, a Catholic does not assume this was a demon, since there are several natural causes that could account for such a claim, such as that the person is lying or is delusional.

    As far as the whole recent military UAP deal, I'm not quite sure what to make of that but I think on the whole it is a massive hoax perpetrated by our government. I'm talking about the claims that their pilots are making to the world that they have seen vehicles flying around in the air that defy the laws of physics, and even the video footage provided as proof of these claims. I think the only plausible explanation for these pilots' claims and the footage we've seen is that the pilots are being told to lie about this stuff and the footage is either entirely fake or is an entirely normal visual effect that has been re-interpreted to the ignorant public to be something alien. (The so-called "pyramid ufo" footage, for example, has been proven by amateur photographers to be nothing more than a lighting effect on the lens that occurs when you close a triangular shutter most of the way on an infrared camera; I suspect the other things such as the Tic-Tac thing or the other famous ones are similarly susceptible to an simple and normal explanation).

    As far as what the motive of the government is in pranking the public like this, I don't really know, but the whole thing is obviously a hoax.
    Another thing they want us to believe they can protect us from ? 

    Either way I don't believe ET aliens exist.
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #20 on: September 20, 2022, 10:49:37 AM »
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  • The entire myth of aliens will vanish when people let go of the lie that earth is a globe dangling, or darting around somewhere in infinite space. Earth is middle place between heaven and hell; good old terra firma covered by a firmament dome, where the sun, moon and stars are not alien-producing worlds, but lights.    

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #21 on: September 20, 2022, 05:42:51 PM »
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  • The entire myth of aliens will vanish when people let go of the lie that earth is a globe dangling, or darting around somewhere in infinite space. Earth is middle place between heaven and hell; good old terra firma covered by a firmament dome, where the sun, moon and stars are not alien-producing worlds, but lights.   
    !00% agree. My concern is that vast numbers of the population, including many sincere traditional Catholics, are so manipulated by the lying government/ lying media/ lying "educational" system that when the alien DISCLOSURE begins, they will be caught totally off-guard.

    The disclosure has not even happened yet and the Vatican has already called them our "space brothers." With all the "powers that be" on earth uniting to tell us this great lie, how many will be able to resist?

    We already see the following demonized and criminalized:
    innocent parents who participate in local school board meetings,
    innocent persons who heard Trump speak on Jan 6 and did not enter the Capitol,
    innocent people who point out the facts about the mRNA product,
    innocent people who point out the anomalies in the 2020 election

    The pressure to wear a mask and get a shot was nothing compared to the pressure that will be applied by leftist zealots with their newfound religion brought to earth by their space brothers.

    We need to pray for the grace to perservere in the coming time of deception.

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #23 on: September 21, 2022, 05:06:37 AM »
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  • https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1572335060153470977


    The U.S. Space Force, the newest military branch established in 2019 under President Trump, has officially adopted its own song titled “Semper Supra”
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #24 on: September 21, 2022, 11:17:16 AM »
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  • Here is a short clip of Sungenis speaking of Thigpen's book: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FCuxX1YwjA

    I have seen Sungenis' rather substantial and blistering review of the book (which has not yet been released to the general public) and all I can say for now is that I think it was extremely well done and it was one that very much needed to be made.
    Sneak peek of the beginning and of the end of Dr. Sungenis review:

    Beginning:

     Review of:
    Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Church: Are We Alone in the Universe with
    God and the Angels?
    Authored by Paul Thigpen, published by Tan Books, 2022
    ISBN: 978-1-5051-2013-4, hardback
    Reviewed by Robert Sungenis
    September 2, 2022

    Buckle up and prepare for a wild ride. After a lifelong contemplation of the subject, popular
    author Paul Thigpen has decided to make a case for aliens living on other worlds, and perhaps
    visiting ours. Catholics will be interested in what he has to say because Paul attempts to use
    scriptural, magisterial, and traditional sources to support his pro-alien view. The book is 433
    pages, half of which is an historical overview of the subject from Plato to Pope John Paul II.

    The research it must have taken to collect and collate everyone who ever had a published
    thought about aliens is remarkable. I think Paul’s is the first book to do so. So if you want a
    “Who’s Who?” on which side someone was in the debate about aliens, Paul’s book is the place
    to go.

    *********************************************************************

    End:

    Additionally, Paul is led to his conclusion of alien influence because he conveniently defines
    demonic activity as being limited to,
    “Alien abduction accounts reporting assault or injury of the abductee, direct
    manipulation of the abductee’s thoughts, or alleged ‘spiritual revelations’ of an occult
    nature and witchcraft” (p. 382).

    Not only is abduction and manipulation of human thought precisely what the CIA did in the
    1960s and beyond, Paul’s self-serving definition of demonic activity leads Paul to conclude:
    “The great majority of UAP reports include no elements of manipulated thoughts,
    spiritual ‘revelations,’ or malicious injury to witnesses….At the same time, in the case
    of so-called ‘nuts-and-bolts’ UAP—especially if a clearly physical object has crashed,
    allowing retrieval of debris—we would be hard pressed to explain why demons, who
    are purely spiritual beings, would need to be transported by physical vehicles” (p. 382).

    Apparently, the thought never crossed Paul’s mind that since the primary occupation of
    demons is to deceive the human race, why would a demon waste his time presenting
    himself as a demon when his interests are best served by appearing as an alien who rides
    in a fantastic spaceship, especially to those who are predisposed to believe that alien
    beings exist? Paul’s naiveté regarding the power of the demonic world was quite shocking
    for an author who seemed, up to this point, to be working with all his theological marbles.

    With preternatural power, the demonic world can reform physical material to look like a
    spacecraft, and have it appear to maneuver at light speed without any means of propulsion.
    They could even leave debris of the craft if that was what was needed to convince the
    diehard skeptic. It is all possible because preternatural power is not limited to Paul’s
    “manipulating thoughts and spiritual revelations.” Demons can reform matter just as the
    magicians of Egypt could make snakes appear from rods (Ex 7:11); make blood appear
    from water (Ex 7:22); and make frogs appear from the land (Ex 8:7). Just replace talking

    12 See: “The Pied Pipers of the CIA” at https://www.eyeofthepsychic.com/ufo_ciapipers/

    serpents with talking “aliens”; and jumping frogs with “alien” spacecraft and one has found a
    likely source for the phenomena. The witch of Endor could raise the body of Samuel from
    the dead to speak to Saul (1Sm 28:11), and everything from appearing as a talking serpent
    to Eve, to having control over the world and tempting Jesus with such power, is in the
    devil’s repertoire. Thus St. Paul calls Satan “the god of this world” who can transform
    himself into an angel of light, or, in this case, into an “alien of light” (2Co 4:4; 11:15).
    Various saints testify that the devil even appeared to them as Jesus or Mary. (“Demons
    According to St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross,” Fr. Antonio Moreno, OP).

    What greater way to deceive than to take our eyes farther off of God than they already are
    by convincing us that aliens exist and are visiting us, and since they can move spaceships
    faster than a bouncing pinball in a pinball machine—are obviously far superior to us and
    evidently the answer to our problems. And, of course, what greater boon is all this to the
    modern atheistic mentality that castigates the tiny ex nihilo world of Scripture and presents
    aliens as proof that Carl Sagan was right all along.

    In fact, all Paul’s testimony of the extraordinary capability of “alien spacecraft” just begs the
    obvious question, and one which Paul never addresses in his book, that is, if these aliens are so
    far advanced in their technology, then why have they been playing cat and mouse with us for
    the last hundred years and not just conquered us? Or did aliens come just to perform an ariel
    circus for our entertainment?

    The answer is plain. They aren’t aliens. God doesn’t allow Satan and his minions to conquer the
    material world. God only allows demons to deceive human beings, but allows the demons to
    use any physical means to do so.

    If Paul Thigpen would have spent more time analyzing the UFO phenomena from the
    military and demonic influences than from the C. S. Lewis influences, I think his book would
    have been written much differently.


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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #25 on: September 21, 2022, 12:57:28 PM »
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  • If Paul Thigpen would have spent more time analyzing the UFO phenomena from the
    military and demonic influences than from the C. S. Lewis influences, I think his book would
    have been written much differently.

    Interesting comment Charity, Thigpen taking his demonic influences from C. S. Lewis's influences. I started a thread about such demonic anti-Catholic influences in books written by J. J. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis and was told such fantasy literature had no bad influences for Catholics and to take Paula Haigh's opinion elsewhere.

    The long condemnations of Alien heresies by the early Church was first and best in books by A. A. Martinez. 

    It is not a well known maxim that where religion regresses, superstition progresses. Ironically, whereas the Triune God of Catholicism is manifestly missing in the last 50 years and the capabilities of Satan are consequently well hidden, the International Association of Exorcists reports an upsurge in demonic possession worldwide. Moreover, today we are also experiencing a proliferation of the occult, spiritualism, spiritual healing, witchcraft, fortune-telling etc., throughout the world.

    How then did Lucifer-Satan and his operative demons and now aliens become trivialised as real beings, as powerful spirits hell-bent on luring us all to damnation with them in hell? Without doubt, fantasy literature played and continues to play a part. ‘Once the truths of Faith cease to be real to the modern mind, other more exciting worlds are invented by the likes of Tolkien and Lewis as a means of escape from the real that no longer appeals to the jaded minds of moderns.’ 



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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #26 on: September 21, 2022, 07:17:13 PM »
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  • Here we have Paul Thigpen, the Editor of TAN Books as well as a serial author of TAN Books (https://tanbooks.com/search-results-page?q=paul%20thigpen) being interviewed by his friend and the CEO and Publisher of TAN Books Conor Gallagher.

    At about 9:35 Thigpen states: "Just as the Church was able to accommodate the so called Copernican Revolution ..."  He immediately goes on to say, "We came to realize that the scientific evidence showed that that [the Earth being at the center of the universe] was not true."  Here and elsewhere he shows that he rejects the Church's Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and Magisterium in rejecting geocentrism.

    (Tom Nelson, the Founder and long time CEO and Publisher of TAN Books was definitely a geocentrist.  I can remember how he drove all the way from Rockford, Illinois to South Bend, Indiana to attend the First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism (http://www.geocentrism.com/geo_broch.pdf ).  I felt privileged to sit by him and talk with him at the Conference.  I was told by a nun and dear friend of the great Catholic author and geocentrist Paula Haigh, R.I.P.that she wanted very much to come to the Conference, but was too ill to do so.)




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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #27 on: September 22, 2022, 05:35:22 AM »
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  • Here we have Paul Thigpen, the Editor of TAN Books as well as a serial author of TAN Books (https://tanbooks.com/search-results-page?q=paul%20thigpen) being interviewed by his friend and the CEO and Publisher of TAN Books Conor Gallagher.

    At about 9:35 Thigpen states: "Just as the Church was able to accommodate the so called Copernican Revolution ..."  He immediately goes on to say, "We came to realize that the scientific evidence showed that that [the Earth being at the center of the universe] was not true."  Here and elsewhere he shows that he rejects the Church's Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and Magisterium in rejecting geocentrism.

    (Tom Nelson, the Founder and long time CEO and Publisher of TAN Books was definitely a geocentrist.  I can remember how he drove all the way from Rockford, Illinois to South Bend, Indiana to attend the First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism (http://www.geocentrism.com/geo_broch.pdf ).  I felt privileged to sit by him and talk with him at the Conference.  I was told by a nun and dear friend of the great Catholic author and geocentrist Paula Haigh, R.I.P.that she wanted very much to come to the Conference, but was too ill to do so.)



    Many thanks Charity for such an informed post. It confirms once again the ignorance and heresies brought about by the Galilean reformation. Here we have this man Paul Thigpen made out to be one of the greatest Catholic historical theologians on Earth basing his heretical synthesis on the fact that the Church, no, rather churchmen, managed to  "accommodate the so called Copernican Revolution ..." 

    ‘We say with St Augustine: ‘In an authority so high, admit but one officious lie, and there will not remain a single passage of those apparently difficult to practise or to believe, which on the same most pernicious rule may not be explained as a lie uttered by the author wilfully and to serve a purpose.’ And thus it will come about, the holy Doctor continues, that everybody will believe and refuse to believe what he likes or dislikes. But the modernists pursue their way gaily.’--- St Pius X’s 1907 Pascendi.

    As I said, if anyone today is interested in the Catholic Church's position on aliens go read Professor A. A. Martinez's book Burned Alive on Bruno, or his Pythagoras or Christ. I do not think Martinez is a Catholic as he refuses to use BC or AD in his books. Today's Catholic authors are the ones who bend the facts of history to accommodate their popular modernist beliefs. There is no doubt at all that alienism is Catholic heresy, but as the Man for Tan says: after the 1741-1835 U-turn by popes on heliocentrism, then we can now accommodate other old hidden heresies nowadays. No wonder the Catholic faith is being undermined when these guys who are presenting themselves to be experts on the faith haven't a clue theuy are accommodating heresy rather than truth.

    By the way Charity, I used to correspond with Paula, Lord rest her soul.

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #28 on: September 22, 2022, 06:56:53 AM »
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  • So, although I know some of you are not on board with the notion of "Flat Earth," this does answer the question of WHY Flat Earth would matter (let's say for a moment that it IS true).  With the (prevailing) Flat Earth "model," the notion of aliens out there on other planets becomes absurd.  If you don't believe that there are actualy earth-like bodies out there, then that completely rules out aliens.

    I have come to the conclusion that when Antichrist arrives, he'll mostly likely be presented as an alien.  So the Copernican revolution and its aftermath have been part of a "long con" leading up to that revelation.  Nearly all will lose their faith or whatever religious beliefs they have when confronted with Alien Antichrist.  Of course, gencetrism also needed to be discarded in order for people to be able to buy into things like evolution.

    There's a prominent Flat Earther, Dave Murphy, who says that he was an atheist before FE, but then when he became convinced of FE, he started to believe in a Supreme Being or a Creator.

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    Re: The Heresy of Aliens is Resurrected
    « Reply #29 on: September 22, 2022, 07:14:33 AM »
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  • Here's Dave Murphy ...
    [www.youtube.com]/watch?v=rR1lx1a7_uw&t=54m38s

    54 minutes and 38 seconds in.  I guess the embedded link doesn't respect the start time, so just put https:// in front of this address and remove the brackets.