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Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #105 on: August 30, 2017, 08:05:43 PM »
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    If you don't know how to use a compass, that's not my problem. Level means like the surface of water, not pointing up.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #106 on: August 31, 2017, 04:20:44 AM »
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  • I despair, I really do. If this is what the debate on living a good Christian life has come to, it is absolutely no surprise at all that secularism is winning hands down in today's world. 

    Flat earthers, you really must stop, wake up and smell the coffee (or is the smell of coffee a conspiracy too?). Consider an adolescent trying for the first time to choose a philosophy by which to live. If they saw the posts on here purporting to be from 'Christians', of course they're going to run a mile in the opposite direction.

    The canons of Christianity are really very simple: Love God, and love your neighbour as yourself. With your ridiculous arguments you're doing the Catholic church a major disservice. Maybe that is really your objective? Are you in reality agents provocateur tasked with making the Church look ridiculous from within, and pushing it towards destruction? I've said it before, and I'll say it again - shame on you.

    When you face your final judgement, and are asked 'what did you do to spread the message of Jesus Christ throughout the world?' do you honestly think that replying that you spent your time and energy trying to refute the fact that the earth is a globe is going to endear you to your creator? If that were me, I would be trembling in fear much more than I am already for my sinful ways.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #107 on: August 31, 2017, 09:13:09 AM »
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  • I despair, I really do. If this is what the debate on living a good Christian life has come to, it is absolutely no surprise at all that secularism is winning hands down in today's world.

    Flat earthers, you really must stop, wake up and smell the coffee (or is the smell of coffee a conspiracy too?). Consider an adolescent trying for the first time to choose a philosophy by which to live. If they saw the posts on here purporting to be from 'Christians', of course they're going to run a mile in the opposite direction.

    The canons of Christianity are really very simple: Love God, and love your neighbour as yourself. With your ridiculous arguments you're doing the Catholic church a major disservice. Maybe that is really your objective? Are you in reality agents provocateur tasked with making the Church look ridiculous from within, and pushing it towards destruction? I've said it before, and I'll say it again - shame on you.

    When you face your final judgement, and are asked 'what did you do to spread the message of Jesus Christ throughout the world?' do you honestly think that replying that you spent your time and energy trying to refute the fact that the earth is a globe is going to endear you to your creator? If that were me, I would be trembling in fear much more than I am already for my sinful ways.
    You have much more to fear than we do. The Holy Bible describes the Flat Earth in Genesis. We will continue to support the Flat Earth as God commands us to do. We will not be deceived by you NASA Freemasons.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #108 on: August 31, 2017, 09:53:18 AM »
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  • I despair, I really do. If this is what the debate on living a good Christian life has come to, it is absolutely no surprise at all that secularism is winning hands down in today's world.

    Flat earthers, you really must stop, wake up and smell the coffee (or is the smell of coffee a conspiracy too?). Consider an adolescent trying for the first time to choose a philosophy by which to live. If they saw the posts on here purporting to be from 'Christians', of course they're going to run a mile in the opposite direction.

    The canons of Christianity are really very simple: Love God, and love your neighbour as yourself. With your ridiculous arguments you're doing the Catholic church a major disservice. Maybe that is really your objective? Are you in reality agents provocateur tasked with making the Church look ridiculous from within, and pushing it towards destruction? I've said it before, and I'll say it again - shame on you.

    When you face your final judgement, and are asked 'what did you do to spread the message of Jesus Christ throughout the world?' do you honestly think that replying that you spent your time and energy trying to refute the fact that the earth is a globe is going to endear you to your creator? If that were me, I would be trembling in fear much more than I am already for my sinful ways.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #109 on: August 31, 2017, 11:10:06 AM »
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    Good questions, Irish_Catholic!
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    Jesus is leading me to continue to promote the flat earth. Just imagine someone from cathinfo.com going to the judgment claiming they didn't know the flat earth is described in Genesis. We told them so. The people who refuse to believe the descriptions of the flat earth in Genesis have no good excuse as to why they keep endorsing the Freemasonic agenda. I believe the vast majority of Catholics' who refuse to believe the Genesis descriptions of the Flat Earth also refuse to believe all Infallibly Define Dogma of the Council of Trent. I believe their fruit is rotten to the core.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #110 on: August 31, 2017, 11:25:38 AM »
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  • Neil, before you give this crowd another "feeding", remember that for those who are so hopelessly confused about the difference between doctrine and allegory, tenets of Faith versus idioms, there is precious little hope of edification.
    These people have shown they'll deny their own 5 senses in favor of some whackjob with nonsensical, but bright and pretty animations on youtube, so what chance that they will ever want to to understand rational discussion?
    I had thought the midnight sun in the arctic/antarctic circles would give them enough pause to wake the left side of at least one such brain, but no! There's a youtube "explanation" for that too - Antarctica doesn't exist, and the sun is always above the pizza-earth, but only radiates a conical beam of light. How incredibly, mind-bogglingly idiotic!


    * I personally know a guy who did a 9 month tour at South Pole Station. It really exists.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #111 on: August 31, 2017, 11:38:46 AM »
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  • The only thing mind bogglingly idiotic is believing trillions of gallons of water stick to a giant spinning ball hurdling through space at 1,050, 67,000mph and 500,000 mph as NASA and modern science claims. 

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #112 on: August 31, 2017, 11:52:27 AM »
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  • Neil, before you give this crowd another "feeding", remember that for those who are so hopelessly confused about the difference between doctrine and allegory, tenets of Faith versus idioms, there is precious little hope of edification.
    These people have shown they'll deny their own 5 senses in favor of some whackjob with nonsensical, but bright and pretty animations on youtube, so what chance that they will ever want to to understand rational discussion?
    I had thought the midnight sun in the arctic/antarctic circles would give them enough pause to wake the left side of at least one such brain, but no! There's a youtube "explanation" for that too - Antarctica doesn't exist, and the sun is always above the pizza-earth, but only radiates a conical beam of light. How incredibly, mind-bogglingly idiotic!


    * I personally know a guy who did a 9 month tour at South Pole Station. It really exists.
    I have seen the Flat Earth Horizon with my own 2 eyes; It is you who denies what is clearly perceived through the senses. 


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #113 on: August 31, 2017, 12:18:16 PM »
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  • Jesus is leading me to continue to promote the flat earth. Just imagine someone from cathinfo.com going to the judgment claiming they didn't know the flat earth is described in Genesis. We told them so. The people who refuse to believe the descriptions of the flat earth in Genesis have no good excuse as to why they keep endorsing the Freemasonic agenda. I believe the vast majority of Catholics' who refuse to believe the Genesis descriptions of the Flat Earth also refuse to believe all Infallibly Define Dogma of the Council of Trent. I believe their fruit is rotten to the core.
     
    Now it is all very well sparring about a flat-Earth or a global-Earth but when this debate enters the realm of Church teaching it is a very serious matter. This is what you flat-Earthers are now doing, insisting a flat-earth is Church teaching, and it seems some are actually falling for this unorthodoxy. The Church teaches no such thing. You may believe it yes, but you cannot insist anyone else believes it on canonical grounds. 

    Here are the rules, so let us see what Pope Leo XIII's Providentissimus Deus said about a FLAT EARTH in Scripture:
     
    ’18: To understand how just is the rule here formulated [BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION] we must remember, first, that the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost “Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation.” (St Augustine) Hence they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time, and which in many instances are in daily use at this day, even by the most eminent men of science. Ordinary speech primarily and properly describes what comes under the senses; and somewhat in the same way the sacred writers - as the Angelic Doctor also reminds us – “went by what sensibly appeared,” [LIKE A FLAT EARTH] or put down what God, speaking to men, signified, in the way men could understand and were accustomed to. The unshrinking defense of the Holy Scripture, however, does not require that we should equally uphold all the opinions which each of the Fathers [as distinct from ALL OF THE FATHERS] or the more recent interpreters have put forth in explaining it; for it may be that, in commenting on passages where physical matters occur, they have sometimes expressed the ideas of their own times, and thus made statements which in these days have been abandoned as incorrect. Hence, in their interpretations, we must carefully note what they lay down as belonging to faith, or as intimately connected with faith, what they are unanimous in. For “in those things which do not come under the obligation of faith, the Saints were at liberty to hold divergent opinions, just as we ourselves are,” according to the saying of St. Thomas Aquinas. And in another place he says most admirably: “When philosophers are agreed upon a point, and it is not contrary to our faith, it is safer, in my opinion, neither to lay down such a point as a dogma of faith, even though it is perhaps so presented by the philosophers, nor to reject it as against faith, lest we thus give to the wise of this world an occasion of despising our faith.” The Catholic interpreter, although he should show that those facts of natural science which investigators affirm to be now quite certain are not contrary to the Scripture rightly explained, must nevertheless always bear in mind, that much which has been held and proved as certain has afterwards been called in question and rejected.’

    So dear Truth is Eternal, to suggest a flat-earth interpretation of the Bible is Catholic teaching according to Trent is what a Protestant might say. Now you can believe what you like but please do not present this nonsense, proven so by the science ogeodesy, [ Earth measurement on a large scale] as infallible Catholic teaching.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #114 on: August 31, 2017, 12:55:06 PM »
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  • Neil, before you give this crowd another "feeding", remember that for those who are so hopelessly confused about the difference between doctrine and allegory, tenets of Faith versus idioms, there is precious little hope of edification.
    These people have shown they'll deny their own 5 senses in favor of some whackjob with nonsensical, but bright and pretty animations on youtube, so what chance that they will ever want to to understand rational discussion?
    I had thought the midnight sun in the arctic/antarctic circles would give them enough pause to wake the left side of at least one such brain, but no! There's a youtube "explanation" for that too - Antarctica doesn't exist, and the sun is always above the pizza-earth, but only radiates a conical beam of light. How incredibly, mind-bogglingly idiotic!


    * I personally know a guy who did a 9 month tour at South Pole Station. It really exists.
    No flat earth proponent of whom I am aware has ever claimed that the "South Pole" doesn't exist. That is a perfect example of a straw man argument. At least look at a map of the flat earth to see where Antarctica is.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #115 on: August 31, 2017, 01:04:34 PM »
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  • Neil, you say

    There is a profusion of flat-earther videos posted on YouTube claiming the eclipse was a HOAX!

    Anyone with an open mind on the issue would understand that the NASA/freemasonic/ public education/ mystery of iniquity complex would attempt to neutralize opposition to their brainwashing by use of such whacko straw man videos.

    Aside from the bad music, this one is a good explanation of the eclipse.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #116 on: August 31, 2017, 01:08:40 PM »
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  • I was talking to my parish priest about this thread yesterday. At first, he didn't really believe me when I told him that there are groups who argue that you can't be a good Catholic without accepting that the earth is flat. So I brought out my laptop, logged in and let him read.

    To say that he was stunned is an understatement. He was very clear that the church totally, absolutely 100% accepts the mainstream scientific teaching on geography, geology, cosmology, physics, astronomy and all the rest. As far as he is concerned, the earth is round, has always been round, and will be round for as long as it exists. One of his comments on those who believe otherwise was 'poor, benighted fools.'

    My PP is well connected with the Irish hierarchy, and he was able to tell me categorically that flat-earthism would be laughed out the door of the arch-episcopal palace in +Armagh, down the hill and cross country to the coast, where it would join with the snakes that the Blessed Patrick swept into the sea for us.
    No surprise here. We have all been brainwashed into the spinning globe spinning around the sun, spinning around the galaxy theory.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #117 on: August 31, 2017, 01:15:01 PM »
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  • Two men climbed to the top of the local largest building they could find. One didn't believe gravity exists, the other did.

    Go jump then said the one who believes in Gravity. Mr no-gravity jumped.

    As he was falling down the yes-gravity friend shouted 'Now do you believe in gravity.'
    Gravity to a layman means what goes up must come down.
    Gravity to the "modern, educated (brainwashed) scientist" means that although we would logically expect that since we are spinning around a globe earth at a high speed, the oceans should slosh around, the clouds should be affected and those in Australia should fall off.  The reason these things do not happen is due to the modern scientific theory of "gravity."
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    Re: "Farthest"/Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #118 on: August 31, 2017, 01:19:07 PM »
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    There is nothing to "debate."
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    All you have to do is observe the phases of the moon from various points on the earth and compare them.
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    The only way to see what we see every day all over the world is if we are observing it from the surface of a sphere.
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    The facts are the facts and they cannot be refuted.
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    If you persist in claiming the facts are in error or whatever, then you are persisting in your error.
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    By willfully persisting in your error you make yourself culpable and responsible for the damage that you do to the Church's reputation. So I hope you're prepared for the guilt you're heaping on your own heads.
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    I once thought and said exactly what you are saying.
    Then I researched the minority view. To my shock and dismay, they have an alternative theory that is intrinsically coherent which also includes detailed explanations for the phases of the moon from various points on the earth.
    One who truly loves the Truth has an obligation to seek it.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #119 on: August 31, 2017, 02:02:35 PM »
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  • Neil, you say

    There is a profusion of flat-earther videos posted on YouTube claiming the eclipse was a HOAX!

    Anyone with an open mind on the issue would understand that the NASA/freemasonic/ public education/ mystery of iniquity complex would attempt to neutralize opposition to their brainwashing by use of such whacko straw man videos.

    Aside from the bad music, this one is a good explanation of the eclipse.
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    The flat-earther video makers might not be aware that they're agreeing with Mohammedans.
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    Are you becoming Mohammedan, too?
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