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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2017, 08:21:09 PM »
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  • Wow.  You lied to your priest.  No one here says the solar eclipse was a hoax, that its demonic to measure angles, or that a telescope would allow one to see the sun at all hours.  No one said the sun and moon are the same distance from earth or that the sun's angle of rise and descent is perpendicular to the earth. You failed the astrolabe convo so badly its unbelievable and the sextant can NEVER be used on a globe because it uses line of sight, straight lines and angles to navigate.  Catholic teachings are made on flat earth ONLY and NOT ONE SINGLE CATHOLIC TEACHING says that earth is a globe.  Either you aren't listening or you cannot understand or you're a liar.  You continue to rail without proofs of any kind, yet, scoff at the clues given by Catholic saints, scholars, ancients while shamelessly choosing to believe pagan teaching.  Put up proof of a globe.  Catholic or otherwise.  Skip the garbage that includes the sketchy doctrine of gravity and hopeful nonsense that things just magically stick to a ball and give proof of your pagan theory.
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    You're wrong, as usual, but this time on two accounts. You're moving up in the world. Sort of. HAHAHAHA
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    You didn't pay attention --- as usual!!
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    It isn't my priest. But in any case, you or your buddies have said the eclipse was a hoax. 
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    If you don't think it was, then say so (AS YOU LEFT IT HERE you can later claim you didn't say so). But no, you don't like to be clear because then when you're proven wrong, again, it's embarrassing, and then you have to lie again by saying you're not embarrassed, and so on.
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    You refused to measure the angle between the sun and moon and accused me of practicing the dark arts of Pythagoras by doing so.
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    You have claimed the sun never "sets" as everyone (else) says it does by going DOWN over the horizon, but (you say) it keeps going sideways along the horizon and out of view even though it's still in a line of sight from our viewpoint because (you say) of "perspective." But you fail to describe what this magical thing is, for airplanes disappear over the horizon too, as do satellites and ships. But you just refuse to acknowledge that and say, "No, they don't." Without any evidence.
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    There wasn't any "astrolabe convo" -- you couldn't answer the question I asked. I wasn't bringing up astrolabe, you were (incorrectly). You had no idea what a sextant was, and as soon as I explained it to you, you immediately said it "proves the flat earth" without having ever used one. I have used one, and I know others who can use one, and I gave you websites to watch videos that explain how they work, and somehow you're the only person on earth who thinks that using a sextant requires the operator to think the earth is "flat" to use it properly. Fantasyland!! 

    Lose, lose, lose. You, the loser, are enjoying the loss, I guess. Or else you're enjoying the pain. Are you a masochist? 
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    All the rest of your old flat-earth-tards have thrown in the towel at CI but you keep coming back to get more egg on your face.
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    Either you enjoy having egg on your face or you're unable to see it in the mirror. Hey ---- maybe I'm on to something???
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    Where is FlatEarthInquisitor? Where is mw2016? Where is deutschcath? Where is TomGubbinsKimmage? Where is moosey?
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    Every time you post and make a fool of yourself, do I have to remind you that your post leaves proof of the fact you made it?
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    If I could have one thin dime for every puerile peevish reply you have given to my carefully worded and intelligible questions, I could buy a round of drinks for the bar with it. Except I'm not in the bar, I've passed that.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #76 on: August 24, 2017, 08:59:23 PM »
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    So this isn't your video?
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    Sorry. My mistake.
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    But you ought to be flattered. As soon as I saw "NASA HOAX" I immediately thought of you. 
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    Thinking of you!!!
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #77 on: August 24, 2017, 09:04:31 PM »
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  • You flat-earthers are really missing out.
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    There is a profusion of flat-earther videos posted on YouTube claiming the eclipse was a HOAX!


    NASA 100 % PROOF THE SOLAR ECLIPSE WASN'T REAL
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    They whine and moan that there is no moon in the sky while the moon is moving in front of the sun.
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    But their lousy camera equipment has no filters so of course you can't see the moon under overexposure.
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    Then at 4:45 to 4:58 you get the Diamond Ring effect but since they don't know what that is, nobody identifies it!!
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    "IT COVERED THE SUN SUPER FAST AND THEN SAT THERE AND DIDNT MOVE EVER AGAIN" they have on the screen at 5:10.

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    The Bad Fruits of Flat-Earthism                
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    "Nothing passed in front of the sun!!
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    FAKE ECLIPSE August 21 2017 - Something went Wrong - "Graphics" in The "HOLOGRAPHIC SKY" ...
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    Nothing caused the sun eclipse today! It's a whole new ball game now!
    Welcome to Flat-Earth!! NASA, you are SUCH LIARS!!

    This was totally unexpected -- there was nothing blocking the sun's light -- just nothing there!!!
    Something ELSE eclipsed the sun today, it wasn't the moon! There was no moon there!!!!!!!
    We have some very top people working on this!
    As soon as we have something, we'll let you know!!!
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    I really should have posted this and the others related to it on a different thread. Sorry about that.
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    Go to How do Flat-Earthers Explain an Eclipse thread.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #78 on: August 25, 2017, 12:03:13 AM »
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  • As far as he is concerned, the earth is round, has always been round, and will be round for as long as it exists. One of his comments on those who believe otherwise was 'poor, benighted fools.'
    Poor benighted fools?  Not many--maybe approximately 4.  Most are perfidious lampshade/soap factory/incinerator/gas chamber dodgers, and are putting on to discredit trads and non-mainstream thinking.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #79 on: August 26, 2017, 06:08:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on August 24, 2017, 12:16:59 PM
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    As far as he is concerned, the earth is round, has always been round, and will be round for as long as it exists. One of his comments on those who believe otherwise was 'poor, benighted fools.'

    Poor benighted fools?  Not many--maybe approximately 4.  Most are perfidious lampshade/soap factory/incinerator/gas chamber dodgers, and are putting on to discredit trads and non-mainstream thinking.
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    They're putting on, and playing the poor benighted fools like a fiddle.
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    Question is, "Does the violin know it's being played?"
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #80 on: August 29, 2017, 03:50:24 AM »
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  • the sketchy doctrine of gravity
    OMG
    Just when I thought that these fruitcakes couldn't get any more nutty, I read this. 
    Firstly, gravity is not a doctrine, sketchy or otherwise. It's a scientific theory. Now, before you start spouting the usual nonsense of the scientifically illiterate that 'it's only a theory' please read up on what a theory actually is. 
    Back to gravity. Einstein's theory of general relativity is the current best theory of gravity that we have. It has yet to be disproved by any experiment, real or imagined, that has been undertaken. It is one of the most successful theories of 20th century science, and led directly to very many of the technological advances that occurred later in the 20th century that we all now take for granted. 
    What part of all of that do you not get?
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #81 on: August 29, 2017, 02:36:35 PM »
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  • Back to gravity. Einstein's theory of general relativity is the current best theory of gravity that we have. It has yet to be disproved by any experiment, real or imagined, that has been undertaken. It is one of the most successful theories of 20th century science, and led directly to very many of the technological advances that occurred later in the 20th century that we all now take for granted.
    What part of all of that do you not get?

    THIS BIT IRISH!

    According to any standard textbook on science Einstein’s GTR of 1915 is an expansion of his STR of 1905 with further revelations.

    ‘By a series of remarkably creative and idiosyncratic steps, Einstein decided that space is not flat but curved, and the local curvature is produced by the pressure of mass in the universe. Consequently bodies moving through curved space did not travel in straight lines but rather follow the path of least resistance along the contours of curved space. These paths are called geodesics. If this were true there would be no need for a mysterious ‘force of gravity’ that is transmitted instantaneously. Nor would it be necessary to explain the odd coincidence that inertial and gravitational mass are exactly the same.’---J.P. McEvoy and O. Zarate: Introducing S.  Hawking, Icon Books UK, p.30.

    To begin with, Einstein proposed the universe is a surface-sphere and consequently finite. Goodbye Newton’s ‘infinite’ universal gravity. After that he said space is made up of a 4-dimensional fabric, so to speak, the vertical lines, the horizontal lines, the depth lines and space-time dimension. Add a large cosmic body to it and it creates ‘curves and warps’ in this fabric of space, just as a trampoline bends with the weight of a person. This ‘whirlpool’ will now suck in and hold smaller bodies that will orbit around it. In our part of the universe the sun is the big cosmic body causing the bowl and the planets we know whirl around the sides creating what is known as our solar system.

       This idea, pure invention of course, something any science-fictionist could have proposed, has, even we admit, an attractive appeal about it. Is it any wonder then that ‘many physicists believe this theory to be the most perfect and aesthetically beautiful creation in physics, perhaps in all science? ---Jeremy Bernstein: Einstein, p.63.

    ‘The general theory of relativity is a complicated business. It is said that even by 1919 there were only two people who fully understood it: Einstein and Eddington. (This, let us hasten to add, is based on a quip of Eddington’s.) Even to this day, theorists are not completely united about what follows from Einstein’s theory…’---H. Collins and T. Pinch: The Golem p.43.



    The bad news is that the mathematics is extremely difficult. There are some 20 simultaneous equations with 10 unknown quantities. The equations are almost impossible to solve except in situations where symmetry or energy considerations reduce them to simple forms. If we ignore the cosmological constant lambada (which doesn’t belong there anyway) and consider free space where the mass is zero, the equations can be written simply.'--- J.P. McEvoy and O. Zarate: op. cit., p.39.

    Later it was disaster for Einstein’s GTR. It seems that when they did the mathematics in the 1980s or so, they found there wasn’t enough matter in the universe to accommodate Einstein’s gravitation theories. So, what did they do? Well, as Newton theory had to invent ‘perturbations,’ for Einstein’s universe they invented ‘dark matter’ to solve their problem. So, where is it? ‘Out there in space, stupid, but because we cannot see it, it is invisible matter.’ And you know what; they spent the last 90 years looking for it. We kid you not. One of the latest searches is described on the Vanderbilt University website like so:

    Most of the matter in the universe may be made out of particles that possess an unusual, donut-shaped electromagnetic field called an anapole. In the article, titled “Anapole Dark Matter,” the physicists propose that dark matter, an invisible form of matter that makes up 85 percent of the all the matter in the universe, may be made out of a type of basic particle called the Majorana fermion. The particle’s existence was predicted in the 1930’s but has stubbornly resisted detection.’--2013.

    The ‘science’ of dark matter now has over 79,000,000 websites, not bad for ‘a hypothetical kind of matter that cannot be seen with telescopes but would account for most of the matter in the universe,’ as Wikipedia records.

    Impressed, we bet you are, but not Professor Arthur Lynch:
     
    ‘“And that’s why your daughter is dumb” as the quack doctor of Moliere concluded, though his arguments seem to me a model of cohesion and clarity compared with this of Einstein. It may be my own deficiency, and if, dear reader, you have made good sense out of this, I admit that your intellect soars at a range inaccessible to me.[1]


    [1] A. lynch: The Case Against Einstein, p.258.



    EINSTEIN'S SPECIAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY

    ‘There was a young lady named Bright.

    Whose speed was far faster than light.

    She went out one day, in a relative way

       And returned on the previous night.[1]



    [1] Reginald Butler (1913) quoted by Al Kelly in the introduction to his book Challenging Modern Physics – Questioning Einstein’s Relativity Theories. Brown Walker Press, Boca Raton, Florida, USA, 2005.





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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #82 on: August 29, 2017, 02:45:53 PM »
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  • OMG
    Just when I thought that these fruitcakes couldn't get any more nutty, I read this.
    Firstly, gravity is not a doctrine, sketchy or otherwise. It's a scientific theory. Now, before you start spouting the usual nonsense of the scientifically illiterate that 'it's only a theory' please read up on what a theory actually is.
    Back to gravity. Einstein's theory of general relativity is the current best theory of gravity that we have. It has yet to be disproved by any experiment, real or imagined, that has been undertaken. It is one of the most successful theories of 20th century science, and led directly to very many of the technological advances that occurred later in the 20th century that we all now take for granted.
    What part of all of that do you not get?
    Therein lies the problem, people take this stuff for granted and are steered away from information on gravity or lied to, and do not know.  Gravity may be a theory, but theories replace theories like people replace old tires on their car, when they no longer work.  The scientific establishment is seriously questioning the notion of gravity.  When considered in scientific realms, or even by reasonable people, it has become obvious that gravity doesn't "hold water."

    Dr. Verlinde is a respected scientist of the heliocentric persuasion, yet even he knows gravity as a theory is passe.  

    You might wonder why a string theorist is interested in Newton’s equations. After all Newton was overturned a century ago by Einstein, who explained gravity as warps in the geometry of space-time, and who some theorists think could be overturned in turn by string theorists.



    Those exploding black holes (at least in theory — none has ever been observed) lit up a new strangeness of nature. Black holes, in effect, are holograms — like the 3-D images you see on bank cards.







    The unfolding story of gravity is like the emperor’s new clothes.



    “We’ve known for a long time gravity doesn’t exist,” Dr. Verlinde said, “It’s time to yell it.”




    Another observation about the impossibility of gravity.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #83 on: August 29, 2017, 02:56:02 PM »
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  • Two men climbed to the top of the local largest building they could find. One didn't believe gravity exists, the other did.

    Go jump then said the one who believes in Gravity. Mr no-gravity jumped.

    As he was falling down the yes-gravity friend shouted 'Now do you believe in gravity.'

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #84 on: August 29, 2017, 03:14:19 PM »
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  • Wait!
    Is that the same gravity that pulls oceans but doesn't pull the great lakes? (As the National Ocean service itself admits.)

    Sorry lads, even the official science admits that it is a theory.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #86 on: August 29, 2017, 03:27:54 PM »
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  • Two men climbed to the top of the local largest building they could find. One didn't believe gravity exists, the other did.

    Go jump then said the one who believes in Gravity. Mr no-gravity jumped.

    As he was falling down the yes-gravity friend shouted 'Now do you believe in gravity.'
    Oh my, more ignorance.  Reality is not explained by gravity, but buoyancy and density.  Matter matters.  And the denser an object is, the heavier it is in relation to less dense things like the air.  Gravity is junk theory used to promote the heliocentric model condemned by the Catholic Church.  

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #87 on: August 30, 2017, 04:42:27 AM »
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  • Wait!
    Is that the same gravity that pulls oceans but doesn't pull the great lakes? (As the National Ocean service itself admits.)

    Sorry lads, even the official science admits that it is a theory.

    No it is not the same gravity. Inertia causes the tides in the oceans ans seas but is diminished or is absent in seas and lakes.
    What causes this inertia is another question.

    I will continue with happenby's post.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #88 on: August 30, 2017, 05:11:32 AM »
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  • Oh my, more ignorance.  Reality is not explained by gravity, but buoyancy and density.  Matter matters.  And the denser an object is, the heavier it is in relation to less dense things like the air.  Gravity is junk theory used to promote the heliocentric model condemned by the Catholic Church.  

    We have had this conversation before happenby but for the sake of those who did not read it here we go again.
    Gravity is a WORD used to describe how God's creation operates. It began we could say with Aristotle.
    In the Aristotelian world there were four grades of terrestrial reality: mere existence (as in clay or rock), existence with growth (as in trees), existence and growth with sensation (as in beasts), and all these plus reason (as in man). The properties in matter were then only four, called the Four Contraries: hot, cold, moist and dry, and the four elements: fire, air, water and Earth. In the sublunary world – nature in the strict sense – the four elements had all sorted themselves out into their ‘kindly stedes,’ an early concept of gravity. Earth, the heaviest, had found itself at the centre. On the Earth sits the lighter water. Above that is the still lighter air. Fire, the lightest of all, whenever it was free, flies-up to the circuмference of nature and forms a sphere just below the trajectory of the moon.

    Gravity then is the NAME given to certain actions we find in the created world. You flatearthers  can call it whatever you like, but the rest of us will go along with GRAVITY. So for us it exists. A man falling off a roof we say is caused by gravity. What is ignorant about that?

    You seem to be unable to separate the word GRAVITY from THEORIES OF GRAVITY. Buoyancy and density are properties of matter,  but how they operate mankind calls GRAVITY.

    Theories as to how and why a man falls from roof top if he jumps, or floats in a vacuum are something else happenby. Like you I reject Newton's theory and Einstein's, for I too believe only God knows how GRAVITY works. And God tells us:

    For great is the power of God alone, and he is honoured by the humble. Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hid. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived man, and hath detained their minds in vanity.” (Ecclus 3:21-26).


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #89 on: August 30, 2017, 06:01:55 AM »
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  • No it is not the same gravity. Inertia causes the tides in the oceans ans seas but is diminished or is absent in seas and lakes.
    What causes this inertia is another question.

    I will continue with happenby's post.
    YES it is the same gravity. It took me a few seconds to google "what causes the oceans tides" to get the official science answer that it is gravity.

    The point is clear, that gravity for modern science is the cause of the oceans tides. Perhaps not to geo-centrists like you, but nobody cares about geocentrists anymore. No one ever did really.