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Offline Meg

Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2017, 04:12:04 PM »

https://www.bible.com/bible/55/GEN.1.14.drc1752


From Genesis 1:7 (Douay Rheims, Bishop Challoner version)

"And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament from those that were above the firmament."

We'll jump ahead a little bit to Genesis 1:14 - 1:18:

1:14

"And God said: Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be signs, and for seasons, and for days and years."

1:15

"To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. And it was done.

1:16

"And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day, and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars."

1:17

"And he set them in the firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth."

1:18

"And to rule the day and the night, and to divide the light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good."
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2017, 04:45:13 PM »
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A most conspicuous bad fruit of flat-earthism is that those outside the Church look at flat-earthers who represent themselves as being extra specially faithful to traditional Church teaching (which is not true) and they respond by saying these guys are a bunch of cretins. Why would they want anything to do with traditional Catholicism if they would have to associate with a throwback mentality? 
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If the Catholic faith is going to have any appeal to outsiders it had best not adopt a patently false cosmology like flat-earthism.
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It is not by advocating fables and errors that can be shown erroneous by simple observation that we will ever be able to spread the true Faith.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: "Farthest"/Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2017, 04:49:56 PM »
Quote from: Meg on August 22, 2017, 03:06:31 PM
How can the water that is separated by the firmament be vapor clouds, when clearly in scripture it says that there are waters ABOVE the firmament, and that the firmament consists of the sun, moon, and stars? Unless you think that vapor clouds are above the sun, moon, and stars?

Genesis, Douay Rheims Challoner version:

https://www.bible.com/bible/55/GEN.1.7.drc1752
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Try reading the notes written by commentators, which give explanation and exegesis for the scripture, some of which were written by Bishop Richard Challoner. If you have an argument with what they're saying, you might do well to re-think your position. Ask yourself for example, does Bishop Challoner say anything whatsoever that gives you the impression that he values the flat-earth model as anything better than utter myth?
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2017, 04:55:21 PM »
Quote from: hismajesty on August 22, 2017, 02:25:40 PM
can you see this with your eyes?

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I have already given detailed responses to this nonsense video, previously. If you missed it then you ought to go back and read the earlier posts. I'm not going to repeat myself.
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The video you post is chock full of errors, shallow nonsense and self-contradiction. It shows one thing and tries to claim that it means the opposite. It's astounding that flat-earthers can be so dogmatically narrow-minded and conspicuously blind. Like the blind leading the blind, they both fall into the pit. So you're a fulfillment of prophesy. Congratulations!!
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Offline Meg

Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2017, 04:56:57 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 22, 2017, 04:45:13 PM
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A most conspicuous bad fruit of flat-earthism is that those outside the Church look at flat-earthers who represent themselves as being extra specially faithful to traditional Church teaching (which is not true) and they respond by saying these guys are a bunch of cretins. Why would they want anything to do with traditional Catholicism if they would have to associate with a throwback mentality?
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If the Catholic faith is going to have any appeal to outsiders it had best not adopt a patently false cosmology like flat-earthism.
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It is not by advocating fables and errors that can be shown erroneous by simple observation that we will ever be able to spread the true Faith.
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How can it be a throwback mentality when there were Church Fathers who believed in a flat earth? Unless you mean to say that this form of Tradition is outdated. We simply are going back to an older tradition from before the Protestants, atheists and pagans began to rule the sciences and society in general.  

I understand that you are embarrassed by us. As if those who are looking into tradition would want nothing to do with tradition because some trads believe in a flat earth. Well, we are a distinct minority. Most trads believe as you do. And any prospective trads will see that there are divergent opinions regarding this issue, and they can decide for themselves. Hopefully, they will see that our side is more mature and charitable (well, for the most part).
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