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Offline Meg

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Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #135 on: September 01, 2017, 09:49:28 AM »
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  • I said Genesis describes the Flat Earth.
    Neil won't read Genesis - he will only read the commentary by Bp. Challoner. For him , that suffices. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #136 on: September 01, 2017, 10:44:13 AM »
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  • You can believe what you want, but when it brings the Church I love into disrepute and leaves us all open to ridicule I will continue to point out to the world that you're just a lunatic fringe of no consequence.

    You will find that traditional Catholics discuss issues that are controversial. You'll have to get used to that around here. We aren't cookie-cutter Catholics.

    And, flat-earthers aren't dissuaded by ridicule. We're used to it, though I have pity for the globe-earthers who show extreme lack of charity - which includes most of them here.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #137 on: September 01, 2017, 10:52:43 AM »
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  • There are no pictures of a Globe earth anywhere. You have lost all credibly when you claimed there are pictures of a globe earth when we already have CLEARLY PROVEN TO ALL OF YOU (ALL OF YOU) that the images NASA claims are of a globe earth are CGIS'.

    WAKE UP! WATCH THE VIDEO AND QUIT BEING SO IGNORANT!

    Flat Earth - NASA Graphic Designer Admits All Images about Space Are Fake Photoshopped CGIs


    Let us then base our credibility, yours or mine, on what you say above.
    Where in any of my post did I say there are pictures of a globe earth?
     I am very careful what I write. I wrote : "the fact that there are photographs that provide evidence of a curved earth"

    These photos are taken by satellites, the same ones that beam signals throughout the earth, and they show a curvature, not a globe, but the shape of the earth.

    What I do notice is that none of you flat-earthers ever try to address what you cannot rebut. If posting another of your videos is the answer to posts like mine then who is 'ignorant' must be clear to many non-posters reading this thread.

    Not once did any of you address the science of geodesy that proves the earth is curved.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #138 on: September 01, 2017, 10:59:38 AM »
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  • Let us then base our credibility, yours or mine, on what you say above.
    Where in any of my post did I say there are pictures of a globe earth?
     I am very careful what I write. I wrote : "the fact that there are photographs that provide evidence of a curved earth"

    These photos are taken by satellites, the same ones that beam signals throughout the earth, and they show a curvature, not a globe, but the shape of the earth.

    What I do notice is that none of you flat-earthers ever try to address what you cannot rebut. If posting another of your videos is the answer to posts like mine then who is 'ignorant' must be clear to many non-posters reading this thread.

    Not once did any of you address the science of geodesy that proves the earth is curved.
    Can you show me a picture with several satellites in space? Do not post or link to a CGI.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #139 on: September 01, 2017, 11:14:00 AM »
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  • Can you show me a picture with several satellites in space? Do not post or link to a CGI.

    "a picture with several satellites in space?" Sorry, I do not take pictures of "several satellites in space?"

    I have seen with my own eyes satellites traveling through space above the earth. I have seen moving pictures of earth taken by them high enough in space to detect the curvature of the Earth. This curvature can also be calculated by surveyors of Geodesy.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #140 on: September 01, 2017, 12:11:01 PM »
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  • "a picture with several satellites in space?" Sorry, I do not take pictures of "several satellites in space?"

    I have seen with my own eyes satellites traveling through space above the earth. I have seen moving pictures of earth taken by them high enough in space to detect the curvature of the Earth. This curvature can also be calculated by surveyors of Geodesy.
    The reason why you are unable to show me a picture of a group of satellites in space is because satellites do not exist.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #141 on: September 01, 2017, 12:15:37 PM »
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  • "a picture with several satellites in space?" Sorry, I do not take pictures of "several satellites in space?"

    I have seen with my own eyes satellites traveling through space above the earth. I have seen moving pictures of earth taken by them high enough in space to detect the curvature of the Earth. This curvature can also be calculated by surveyors of Geodesy.
    No picture has ever shown earth curvature. You are gullible enough to believe that CGIS' are actual photographs. You are gullible enough to be tricked by fish eye lenses.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #142 on: September 01, 2017, 01:20:21 PM »
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  • LOL. If this weren't so sad it would be hilarious.
    I am not, nor have I ever been, a freemason. Nor do I have any connection with NASA. I'm just a simple Irish Catholic, who happens to have a degree in physics and a master's degree in electron microscopy from a good university. I have had numerous conversations with priests and bishops about being both a scientist and a Christian, and there is no incompatibility between the two. I believe what the church teaches, and I know what I know about the natural world and how it works.
    I find it heartbreaking that there are people who are quite prepared to have the world believe that to be a good Catholic you have to accept the nonsense the flat earths espouse. You can believe what you want, but when it brings the Church I love into disrepute and leaves us all open to ridicule I will continue to point out to the world that you're just a lunatic fringe of no consequence.
    Do you realise that there are people with degrees in Advanced Maths and Physics who are flat earth. If you actually did your research first, instead of presuming we are all idiots, you may have discovered that.
    I can also add to the list pilots, engineers (surveyors), ballistic experts, etc. etc.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #143 on: September 02, 2017, 03:39:35 AM »
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  • That said, it is equally false to state today's faith and science are mutually compatible, no matter how many popes, bishops, priests, nuns or lay people claim it is. It may be compatible to them, but not in fact. Today's science operates under the philosophy that there is no Creator nor ever was. Catholic faith is based on the fact that there is a Creator Who keeps all thing in existence and working by His will alone,



    [1]Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen: The Science of Discworld, Ebury Press, Random House, 1999, p.39.
    I'm sorry Cassini, I just don't accept your premise here. You can't tar all scientists with the brush of the loud. There is room for a creator behind all scientific theories, no matter how fundamental they get. Even if the big bang theory were 100% correct, there is room for the question 'what went before, and what caused it?' It is in the answers to this question that the faithful find God. It is where I find God, and no matter how much my fellow scientists discover about how the world works, I will continue to see my creator God behind it all. 
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #144 on: September 02, 2017, 09:09:24 AM »
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  • I'm sorry Cassini, I just don't accept your premise here. You can't tar all scientists with the brush of the loud. There is room for a creator behind all scientific theories, no matter how fundamental they get. Even if the big bang theory were 100% correct, there is room for the question 'what went before, and what caused it?' It is in the answers to this question that the faithful find God. It is where I find God, and no matter how much my fellow scientists discover about how the world works, I will continue to see my creator God behind it all.

    Boy I would love a separate thread on this subject. Of course I do not tar all scientists with the same brush, only those promoting their 'scientific proofs' for ORIGINS that would include the Big Bang and all the evolution that stems from this ASSUMPTION. They include their 'science' 'proving' heliocentrism, long ages, and that imbecilic evolution.

    What you are doing is seeing the creator in what is, not in the false science that supposedly gave rise to what is. How can any Catholic think that there is no difference in a Creator who willed all that is into existence, or a Creator who supposedly can be found in a Big Bang evolution of everything, a theory that is so ridiculous that it is an insult to human intelligence given to us by God.? As I said, it is intellectual pride that causes this blindness. Millions however, when they were indoctrinated with evoluitionism, yes the same theistic-evolution you have no problem with, REJECTED faith in an omnipotent Creator.
     
    Here is the opinion of a wise philosopher:

    ‘Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that we can refer “not improperly” to the initial singularity [the Big Bang] as an act of creation. What conclusions can we draw from it? That a Creator exists? Suppose still, for the sake of argument, that this, too, is conceded. The problem now is twofold. Is this creator theologically relevant? Can this creator serve the purpose of faith?
         My answer to the first question is decidedly negative. A creator proved by [Big Bang] cosmology is a cosmological agent that has none of the properties a believer attributes to God. Even supposing one can consistently say the cosmological creator is beyond space and time, this creature cannot be understood as a person or as the Word made flesh or as the Son of God come down to the world in order to save mankind. Pascal rightly referred to this latter Creator as the “God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not of philosophers and scientists. To believe that [Big Bang] cosmology proves the existence of a creator and then to attribute to this creator the properties of the Creation as a person is to make an illegitimate inference, to commit a category fallacy. My answer to the second question is also negative. Suppose we can grant what my answer to the first question intends to deny. That is, suppose we can understand the God of [Big Bang] cosmologists as the God of theologians and believers. Such a God cannot (and should not) serve the purpose of faith, because, being a God proved by [Big Bang] cosmology he should be at the mercy of [Big Bang] cosmology. Like any other scientific discipline that, to use Pope John Paul II’s words, proceeds with “methodological seriously” [Big Bang] cosmology is always revisable. It might then happen that a creator proved on the basis of a theory will be refuted when that theory is refuted. Can the God of believers be exposed to the risk of such an inconsistent enterprise as science?’[1]


    [1]Marcello Pera: The god of theologians and the god of astronomers, as found in The Cambridge Companion to Galileo, Cambridge University Press, 1998, pp.378, 379. 

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #145 on: September 02, 2017, 09:57:12 AM »
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  • "a picture with several satellites in space?" Sorry, I do not take pictures of "several satellites in space?"

    I have seen with my own eyes satellites traveling through space above the earth. I have seen moving pictures of earth taken by them high enough in space to detect the curvature of the Earth. This curvature can also be calculated by surveyors of Geodesy.
    Sorry, no can do. Engineers laying railroad in several countries have already testified that all track was ordered by government to be laid ON THE LEVEL. They explain in detail how thousands of miles of track was laid, the controversy by some that they thought they needed to allow for curve and the consequent government orders. No curve bud.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #146 on: September 02, 2017, 10:10:27 AM »
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  • Let us then base our credibility, yours or mine, on what you say above.
    Where in any of my post did I say there are pictures of a globe earth?
     I am very careful what I write. I wrote : "the fact that there are photographs that provide evidence of a curved earth"

    These photos are taken by satellites, the same ones that beam signals throughout the earth, and they show a curvature, not a globe, but the shape of the earth.

    What I do notice is that none of you flat-earthers ever try to address what you cannot rebut. If posting another of your videos is the answer to posts like mine then who is 'ignorant' must be clear to many non-posters reading this thread.

    Not once did any of you address the science of geodesy that proves the earth is curved.
    Haha, follow the curve on any of those pictures and you wind up with a large ball the size of a large beach ball or even a room sized ball. Those pictures are taken with a go pro camera. Curvature has NEVER been demonstrated. Lasers, cameras, telescopes etc. prove earth is flat. Water proves earth is flat. Scripture proves earth is flat. Church Fathers prove earth is flat. Engineers prove earth is flat. Math and science prove earth is flat. Reason proves earth is flat. But only for those who care to come out of their indoctrination.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #147 on: September 02, 2017, 10:11:51 AM »
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  • Even Google Earth Proves Earth is not a ball.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #148 on: September 03, 2017, 08:26:37 AM »
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  • A tad bit melodramatic.

    Do you even go to a resistance Mass? I suspect you don't.

    Do you realise this is a resistance forum?

    What are you doing posting here if you harbour a secret hatred of it?
    Ah, and there was me thinking that it was a Christian, Catholic forum!
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #149 on: September 03, 2017, 11:33:17 AM »
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  • Ah, and there was me thinking that it was a Christian, Catholic forum!
    Are you really so dull that you created an account on a forum and start posting without even looking into what it was and what it stood for?