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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« Reply #120 on: August 31, 2017, 02:06:16 PM »
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  • Jesus is leading me to continue to promote the flat earth. Just imagine someone from cathinfo.com going to the judgment claiming they didn't know the flat earth is described in Genesis. We told them so. The people who refuse to believe the descriptions of the flat earth in Genesis have no good excuse as to why they keep endorsing the Freemasonic agenda. I believe the vast majority of Catholics' who refuse to believe the Genesis descriptions of the Flat Earth also refuse to believe all Infallibly Define Dogma of the Council of Trent. I believe their fruit is rotten to the core.
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    But Genesis does not say "the earth is flat."
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    Maybe you've been confusing Genesis with the Quran?
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #121 on: August 31, 2017, 02:15:52 PM »
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    But Genesis does not say "the earth is flat."
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    Maybe you've been confusing Genesis with the Quran?
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    Genesis in the Holy Bible describes the Flat Earth.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #122 on: August 31, 2017, 03:00:24 PM »
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  • Genesis in the Holy Bible describes the Flat Earth.
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    The Book of Genesis does not contain the word "flat" except for this:

    "Abram fell flat on his face" (Gen. 17:3).
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    Perhaps you're confusing the Bible with the Quran.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #123 on: August 31, 2017, 03:31:16 PM »
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    The Book of Genesis does not contain the word "flat" except for this:

    "Abram fell flat on his face" (Gen. 17:3).
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    Perhaps you're confusing the Bible with the Quran.
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    I said Genesis describes the Flat Earth.

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    [6] And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters. [7] And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so. [8] And God called the firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day. [9] God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done. [10] And God called the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #124 on: August 31, 2017, 04:08:19 PM »
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  • These people have shown they'll deny their own 5 senses in favor of some whackjob with nonsensical, but bright and pretty animations on youtube, so what chance that they will ever want to to understand rational discussion?
    I had thought the midnight sun in the arctic/antarctic circles would give them enough pause to wake the left side of at least one such brain, but no! There's a youtube "explanation" for that too - Antarctica doesn't exist, and the sun is always above the pizza-earth, but only radiates a conical beam of light. How incredibly, mind-bogglingly idiotic!


    * I personally know a guy who did a 9 month tour at South Pole Station. It really exists.

    I have debated a lot of globalists like you, and just to give you a piece of advice, if you start with the presumption that flat earthers are stupid, you are going to end up with egg on your face.

    So here's the deal, explain to me how we can see objects over the horizon that the math says should not be there, or else go away, and stop wasting our time. You don't know what you are talking about.

    Here is a start: http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t17-objects-over-the-horizon-proofs


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #125 on: August 31, 2017, 04:09:53 PM »
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  • I despair, I really do. If this is what the debate on living a good Christian life has come to, it is absolutely no surprise at all that secularism is winning hands down in today's world.

    Flat earthers, you really must stop, wake up and smell the coffee (or is the smell of coffee a conspiracy too?). Consider an adolescent trying for the first time to choose a philosophy by which to live. If they saw the posts on here purporting to be from 'Christians', of course they're going to run a mile in the opposite direction.

    The canons of Christianity are really very simple: Love God, and love your neighbour as yourself. With your ridiculous arguments you're doing the Catholic church a major disservice. Maybe that is really your objective? Are you in reality agents provocateur tasked with making the Church look ridiculous from within, and pushing it towards destruction? I've said it before, and I'll say it again - shame on you.

    When you face your final judgement, and are asked 'what did you do to spread the message of Jesus Christ throughout the world?' do you honestly think that replying that you spent your time and energy trying to refute the fact that the earth is a globe is going to endear you to your creator? If that were me, I would be trembling in fear much more than I am already for my sinful ways.

     A tad bit melodramatic.

    Do you even go to a resistance Mass? I suspect you don't.

    Do you realise this is a resistance forum?

    What are you doing posting here if you harbour a secret hatred of it?

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #126 on: August 31, 2017, 04:13:15 PM »
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    The Book of Genesis does not contain the word "flat" except for this:

    "Abram fell flat on his face" (Gen. 17:3).
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    Perhaps you're confusing the Bible with the Quran.
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    Give it up Neil.
    As an employee of NASA you are completely exposed as being partisan in this discussion.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #127 on: August 31, 2017, 05:33:30 PM »
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  • I said Genesis describes the Flat Earth.
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    Genesis doesn't even mention the "Flat Earth." 
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #128 on: August 31, 2017, 05:42:59 PM »
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    [6] And God said : Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters : and let it divide the waters from the waters.*

    * CHAP. 1.  Ver. 6.  A firmament. By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds.
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    Directly from the Bible that you have never read.
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    Give it up Neil.
    As an employee of NASA you are completely exposed as being partisan in this discussion.
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    You're so funny.   :jester:
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    Thank you so much for being a reliable source of entertainment. 
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    Now go read the Bible, for once.  ;D
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #129 on: August 31, 2017, 06:36:09 PM »
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    The flat-earther video makers might not be aware that they're agreeing with Mohammedans.
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    Are you becoming Mohammedan, too?
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    As Catholics, we should be able to remain civil with each other while disagreeing over two opposing theories. Name calling is not civil.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #130 on: August 31, 2017, 06:47:34 PM »
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  • I once thought and said exactly what you are saying.
    Then I researched the minority view. To my shock and dismay, they have an alternative theory that is intrinsically coherent which also includes detailed explanations for the phases of the moon from various points on the earth.
    One who truly loves the Truth has an obligation to seek it.
    Providing that one either has it, or doesn't have adequate motive to doubt what one has, no?

    Doesn't one who loves seek the object of said love, for sake of love? Granted, this doesn't have to exclude obligation.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #131 on: September 01, 2017, 05:34:49 AM »
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  • You have much more to fear than we do. The Holy Bible describes the Flat Earth in Genesis. We will continue to support the Flat Earth as God commands us to do. We will not be deceived by you NASA Freemasons.
    LOL. If this weren't so sad it would be hilarious.
    I am not, nor have I ever been, a freemason. Nor do I have any connection with NASA. I'm just a simple Irish Catholic, who happens to have a degree in physics and a master's degree in electron microscopy from a good university. I have had numerous conversations with priests and bishops about being both a scientist and a Christian, and there is no incompatibility between the two. I believe what the church teaches, and I know what I know about the natural world and how it works. 
    I find it heartbreaking that there are people who are quite prepared to have the world believe that to be a good Catholic you have to accept the nonsense the flat earths espouse. You can believe what you want, but when it brings the Church I love into disrepute and leaves us all open to ridicule I will continue to point out to the world that you're just a lunatic fringe of no consequence.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #132 on: September 01, 2017, 08:40:06 AM »
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  • LOL. If this weren't so sad it would be hilarious.
    I am not, nor have I ever been, a freemason. Nor do I have any connection with NASA. I'm just a simple Irish Catholic, who happens to have a degree in physics and a master's degree in electron microscopy from a good university. I have had numerous conversations with priests and bishops about being both a scientist and a Christian, and there is no incompatibility between the two. I believe what the church teaches, and I know what I know about the natural world and how it works.
    I find it heartbreaking that there are people who are quite prepared to have the world believe that to be a good Catholic you have to accept the nonsense the flat earths espouse. You can believe what you want, but when it brings the Church I love into disrepute and leaves us all open to ridicule I will continue to point out to the world that you're just a lunatic fringe of no consequence.

    I too cannot believe this lunatic submission to the idea that the earth is flat, that the Scriptures say it is and that it enhances one's Catholic faith to believe in it in the name of Jesus Christ. There is something very weird in this faith and it is obvious now that there is something demonic about it. To deny the science of geodesy, the fact that there are photographs that provide evidence of a curved earth, demonstrated by way of eclipses, all in the name of Catholicism, is to bring the Catholic faith into disrepute as St Augustine warned.

    That said, it is equally false to state today's faith and science are mutually compatible, no matter how many popes, bishops, priests, nuns or lay people claim it is. It may be compatible to them, but not in fact. Today's science operates under the philosophy that there is no Creator nor ever was. Catholic faith is based on the fact that there is a Creator Who keeps all thing in existence and working by His will alone,

    The first dogma of the Catholic Church recorded in Ott’s Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma: ‘God, our Creator and lord, can be known with certainty, by the natural light of reason from created things.’ (De fide.) Does today's science adhere to this faith? No it does not. It has invented theory after theory to ELIMINATE this dogma from the minds of mankind, first by asserting that the geocentrism of the senses, of the Scriptures, of the Fathers, of the Council of Trent, of the papal decrees of 1616-1664, HAD BEEN PROVEN FALSE.

    Having achieved this foundation stone that provided the first evolutionary theory of modern science, everything else revealed in Scripture came under attack. This required three encyclicals to try to stem, but because even popes had fallen for this WEAPON OF PRIDE SET UP BY SATAN, the damage to the credibility of Catholicism revealed in Genesis could not be stopped. Since Galileo's Pontifical Academy of Science was set up, popes could not wait to share their intellectual pride in the Big Bang, long ages, evolution of everything, including Adam's body with the atheists members who applauded them. One of these 'members' is Stephen Hawking:

    Carl Sagan, self professed agnostic for example, wrote in his preface to Stephen Hawking’s book ‘A Brief History of Time’:

    ‘This is also a book about God… or perhaps the absence of God. The word God fills these pages. Hawking embarks on a quest to answer Einstein’s famous question about whether God had any choice in creating the universe. Hawking is attempting, as he states, to understand the mind of God.’[1]    

    There is however, something more all should know about Stephen Hawking:

    ‘Hawking and the mind of God. He does not believe in anything resembling the Christian God… his theory of everything has no place at all for a Creator…. By his playing the God card, Hawking [the atheist] has cleverly fanned the flames of his own publicity appeal directly to the popular allure of scientist as priest.’[2]


    [1]Stephen Hawking: Brief History of Time, Bantam Press, 1988.
    [2] Peter Coles: Hawking, Postmodern Encounters, Icon Books, 2000, p.47.


    HERE IS WHERE WE ARE NOW:
    The Big Bang, which scientists believe led to the formation of the universe some 13.8 billion years ago, was all part of God’s plan, Pope Francis has declared.
    “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Colossians 1:16,17
    The Pope said the scientific account of the beginning of the universe and the development of life through evolution are compatible with the Catholic Church’s vision of creation. He told a meeting of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy for Sciences: ‘The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.’

    Well Pope Frances, I do not believe you. Nor do these lads:

    ‘Every so often, you have to unlearn what you thought you knew, and replace it by something more subtle. This process is what science is all about, and it never stops. It means that you shouldn’t take everything we say as gospel, either, for we belong to another equally honourable profession; liar-to-readers.[1]


    [1]Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen: The Science of Discworld, Ebury Press, Random House, 1999, p.39.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #133 on: September 01, 2017, 09:22:38 AM »
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  • I too cannot believe this lunatic submission to the idea that the earth is flat, that the Scriptures say it is and that it enhances one's Catholic faith to believe in it in the name of Jesus Christ. There is something very weird in this faith and it is obvious now that there is something demonic about it. To deny the science of geodesy, the fact that there are photographs that provide evidence of a curved earth, demonstrated by way of eclipses, all in the name of Catholicism, is to bring the Catholic faith into disrepute as St Augustine warned.

    That said, it is equally false to state today's faith and science are mutually compatible, no matter how many popes, bishops, priests, nuns or lay people claim it is. It may be compatible to them, but not in fact. Today's science operates under the philosophy that there is no Creator nor ever was. Catholic faith is based on the fact that there is a Creator Who keeps all thing in existence and working by His will alone,

    The first dogma of the Catholic Church recorded in Ott’s Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma: ‘God, our Creator and lord, can be known with certainty, by the natural light of reason from created things.’ (De fide.) Does today's science adhere to this faith? No it does not. It has invented theory after theory to ELIMINATE this dogma from the minds of mankind, first by asserting that the geocentrism of the senses, of the Scriptures, of the Fathers, of the Council of Trent, of the papal decrees of 1616-1664, HAD BEEN PROVEN FALSE.

    Having achieved this foundation stone that provided the first evolutionary theory of modern science, everything else revealed in Scripture came under attack. This required three encyclicals to try to stem, but because even popes had fallen for this WEAPON OF PRIDE SET UP BY SATAN, the damage to the credibility of Catholicism revealed in Genesis could not be stopped. Since Galileo's Pontifical Academy of Science was set up, popes could not wait to share their intellectual pride in the Big Bang, long ages, evolution of everything, including Adam's body with the atheists members who applauded them. One of these 'members' is Stephen Hawking:

    Carl Sagan, self professed agnostic for example, wrote in his preface to Stephen Hawking’s book ‘A Brief History of Time’:

    ‘This is also a book about God… or perhaps the absence of God. The word God fills these pages. Hawking embarks on a quest to answer Einstein’s famous question about whether God had any choice in creating the universe. Hawking is attempting, as he states, to understand the mind of God.’[1]    

    There is however, something more all should know about Stephen Hawking:

    ‘Hawking and the mind of God. He does not believe in anything resembling the Christian God… his theory of everything has no place at all for a Creator…. By his playing the God card, Hawking [the atheist] has cleverly fanned the flames of his own publicity appeal directly to the popular allure of scientist as priest.’[2]


    [1]Stephen Hawking: Brief History of Time, Bantam Press, 1988.
    [2] Peter Coles: Hawking, Postmodern Encounters, Icon Books, 2000, p.47.


    HERE IS WHERE WE ARE NOW:
    The Big Bang, which scientists believe led to the formation of the universe some 13.8 billion years ago, was all part of God’s plan, Pope Francis has declared.
    “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Colossians 1:16,17
    The Pope said the scientific account of the beginning of the universe and the development of life through evolution are compatible with the Catholic Church’s vision of creation. He told a meeting of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy for Sciences: ‘The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.’

    Well Pope Frances, I do not believe you. Nor do these lads:

    ‘Every so often, you have to unlearn what you thought you knew, and replace it by something more subtle. This process is what science is all about, and it never stops. It means that you shouldn’t take everything we say as gospel, either, for we belong to another equally honourable profession; liar-to-readers.[1]


    [1]Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen: The Science of Discworld, Ebury Press, Random House, 1999, p.39.
    There are no pictures of a Globe earth anywhere. You have lost all credibly when you claimed there are pictures of a globe earth when we already have CLEARLY PROVEN TO ALL OF YOU (ALL OF YOU) that the images NASA claims are of a globe earth are CGIS'.

    WAKE UP! WATCH THE VIDEO AND QUIT BEING SO IGNORANT!

    Flat Earth - NASA Graphic Designer Admits All Images about Space Are Fake Photoshopped CGIs


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #134 on: September 01, 2017, 09:43:20 AM »
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    Directly from the Bible that you have never read.
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    Now go read the Bible, for once.  ;D
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    Neil, you wrote "Directly from the Bible that you have never read;" however, what you quoted is not a part of sacred Scripture, but a commentary. Do you believe that commentary is supposed to be accepted as if it were part of sacred scripture? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29