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Offline wilders

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The Church Fathers and the flat earth
« on: April 22, 2017, 05:24:48 AM »
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    • A lot of this has already been posted, but here it is in video format. Only 5 minutes.

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    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #1 on: April 22, 2017, 09:53:11 AM »
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    • Wow. Very interesting. Should get people to think.
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    Offline cassini

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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #2 on: April 22, 2017, 02:58:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on April 22, 2017, 09:53:11 AM
    Wow. Very interesting. Should get people to think.

    Sure has, and I am thinking it tries to fool people into thinking the Galileo case had something to do with a flat earth condemned by the Church. Pythagoras, whose heliocentrism was condemned by Pope Paul V and Urban VIII was one of the first philosophers and mathematicians that proposed the Earth was round in 6th century B.C. He did this mostly on aesthetical principles, believing that all celestial bodies had to be spheres. In 1616 and 1633 not one objection to a global earth in Copernicus's heliocentrism was even mentioned by the Inquisition.

    This is a dishonest video.

    The video, quoting some of the Fathers who believed in a flat earth means nothing, for only if all the Fathers were flat-earthers could their beliefs be binding. If I started to list the globalists in the Church I could fill a page. Clement, Origen, Ambrose, Augustine, Isodore, Albertus Magnus and Aquinas all accepted the Earth was a globe as did Dante and St Hildegard, the former's. Remember Pope Benedict XV wrote In Praeclara Summorum in 1921 praising Dante's (1265-1321) Divine Comedy. 
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    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 04:14:45 PM »
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    • oh you silly geocentrists.
    You really do live in your own little fantasy world that no-one really cares about.

    It's only a dishonest video for geocentrists. At least a heliocentrists would say it is honest but wrong.

    I am well aware of Pythagoras. It is against that that school of thought that the Fathers were fighting.

    As for having to accept the flat earth, well there are a lot of things which are not de fide, or even technically erroneous etc etc. But it does not mean you are wise to reject them. (None of the Marian apparitions are binding)

    As time moves on and you continue to reject this more, and harden your heart, the more accountable you will be. Remember that Cassini, and meditate well on it. I will leave you with this video



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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2017, 11:50:51 AM »
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    • Tom, there are enough threads trying to convince readers they live on a flat earth without hijacking this one too.

    Let us stick to the thread video.

    OH BY THE WAY, HERE IS ANOTHER FLAT EARTH VIDEO. PROOF PERSONIFIED.

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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #5 on: April 23, 2017, 01:42:05 PM »
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    • This one out
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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #6 on: April 23, 2017, 01:45:37 PM »
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    • No one is hijacking anything. You only wish to make it seem so because you don't want people to come to know this truth.
    Honest people are coming to see it. More and more everyday. Geo-centrism is finished in my opinion. Nobody cares about it because it is like the indult; pleasing to no-one.

    BTW that level of ridicule only helps us. Most people whether they agree or not, know we are serious.
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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #7 on: April 23, 2017, 03:04:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on April 23, 2017, 01:45:37 PM
    No one is hijacking anything. You only wish to make it seem so because you don't want people to come to know this truth.
    Honest people are coming to see it. More and more everyday. Geo-centrism is finished in my opinion. Nobody cares about it because it is like the indult; pleasing to no-one.

    BTW that level of ridicule only helps us. Most people whether they agree or not, know we are serious.


    Tom, I do not do 'ridicule' flatearthers. I just thought it was time to bring a little humour to the subject to try to put it into perspective.

    Cardinal Bellarmine, that wisest of all theologians, no saints, on the subject of biblical and theological cosmology, was careful to separate the subject matter from the faith matter when he wrote.

    'Nor may it be answered that this is not a matter of faith, for if it is not a matter of faith from the point of view of the subject matter (ex parte objecti), it is a matter of faith on the part of the ones who have spoken (ex parte dicentis).'

    When I address the subject I try to emphasise that I am a biblical geocentrist. In the lives of man it matters little which revolves as 99.999% of the human race prove. They go about their lives never even thinking about it. Catholics today, again 99.999% of them, go about their lives never even thinking about G or H.

    Geocentrism (ex parte dicentis) however, is different in that there is a history to it that had dominated Catholic history for 400 years. Were it not for this I would be exactly like the rest of the human race, have far more important things to think about. But the very credibility of the Catholic Church was put at stake in 1616 when a pope defined and decreed the geocentrism of Scripture was the truth. Over 20,000 books have been written about this geocentrism, and nearly every one has come down in favour of ex parte objecti heliocentrism that in turn contradicts ex parte dicentis geocentrism and has tried to undermine the Church based on their illusion. The Catholic Church has been 'ridiculed' from within and without on this account and I joined a small group of people determined to examine if this was true. After many years, thanks to docuмents that only came to light in my time of research, I am now certain the Church did not err.

    There lies the only geocentrism that counts, the one that Cardinal Bellarmine and Pope Paul V defended.

    Flatearthism does not have the same credentials. The Church never defined or declared it to be revealed, it was an ex parte objecti matter, But on this forum you and others are doing your best to put it into a theological category. That is not Catholic, that is more like Protestantism. By all means argue your flatearth as a physical possibility, probability or even certainty, but do not claim it is obligatory to our Catholic faith.
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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #8 on: April 23, 2017, 03:43:02 PM »
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    • Nobody....
    Cares....

    Flat Earth has taken over geocentrism in numbers. Even in the resistance.

    Because it is the truth.

    All the best with your projects.
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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #9 on: May 04, 2017, 07:39:12 PM »
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    • Flying to Tampa, Florida several years ago at an altitude of some 39,000 feet, one could see a slight curvature of the earth from that altitude. If the earth was flat, I should not have seen that.

    If one wishes to posit that the earth is flat, one thing he'll have to do is overcome mathematics and explain why the sun does not appear to everyone at the same time. Laymen's YouTube videos aren't going to cut it. 

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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #10 on: May 05, 2017, 12:58:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: exleftist on May 04, 2017, 07:39:12 PM
    Flying to Tampa, Florida several years ago at an altitude of some 39,000 feet, one could see a slight curvature of the earth from that altitude. If the earth was flat, I should not have seen that.

    If one wishes to posit that the earth is flat, one thing he'll have to do is overcome mathematics and explain why the sun does not appear to everyone at the same time. Laymen's YouTube videos aren't going to cut it.
    Any appearance of curvature could be due to the curved windows in the passenger section of the plane.

    Here is a 300 degree video of a pilot's cockpit view.



    110,000 ft. (33 km) up in a hot air balloon without fisheye lens, No curvature.  Also notice at 3:00 you can see just how close the sun appears.



    The reason why the sun would not appear to everyone on the flat earth model is because it is a lot closer and localized, flying above and around the Earth, only lighting up a portion at a time. Something like this:




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    Re: The Church Fathers and the flat earth
    « Reply #11 on: May 07, 2017, 05:59:51 PM »
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    • I second all that, and will add that it precisely on mathematics that the flat earth rests it's strongest proofs.
    Globalists say that it is 25000 miles around but this rate of curvature means that objects at certain distances should not be visible. And yet are.
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