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Offline Jaynek

Re: The Church censors flat earth criticism
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2018, 08:56:04 PM »
Quote from: happenby on October 14, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
St. Basil was a full on flat earther..
No knowledgeable person considers St. Basil to have been a flat earther.  This illustrates why one should not use flat earther sources on which Church Fathers held that position.
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Offline happenby

Re: The Church censors flat earth criticism
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2018, 09:09:12 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on October 14, 2018, 08:56:04 PM
No knowledgeable person considers St. Basil to have been a flat earther.  This illustrates why one should not use flat earther sources on which Church Fathers held that position.
Seems you are without information.  Flat earth typology relating the earth to the tabernacle continued throughout the centuries by the Fathers and St. Basil's quote assures us he believed the same.

Reflection on Biblical typology and the flat earth: The Fathers of the Church taught that Jerusalem is at the center of the world, as revealed in Scripture. We find that the earth is a 'type' of Christ Himself. Christ is the center and summit of the spiritual world and Jerusalem is the center and summit of salvation history in the physical world. This typology extends even to the architecture of Churches reflected in their domes which are microcosms of the firmament. Stained glass windows reflect the windows of the firmament. Pillars represent a FOUNDATION as seen in 1 Sam. 2:8 – “For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world.” Fathers extend all this typology to the tabernacle, which was made by Moses to reflect the form of the earth. Wikipedia explains: "The cosmos created in Genesis 1 bears a striking resemblance to the Tabernacle in Exodus 35–40, which was the prototype of the Temple in Jerusalem and the focus of priestly worship of Yahweh; for this reason, and because other Middle Eastern creation stories also climax with the construction of a temple/house for the creator-god, Genesis 1 can be interpreted as a description of the construction of the cosmos as God's house, for which the Temple in Jerusalem served as the earthly representative." Consider that God spoke and creation came to be. Just like God spoke and Jesus came forth from His mouth, Jesus is the Word of God and earth reflects this when it came into being. An insight to this is summed up by Caesarius of Heisterbach this way, "As the heart in the midst of the body, so is Jerusalem situated in the midst of our inhabited earth." The effect on mapmakers in medieval times reveals the mind of the Church at the time since men drew maps with Jerusalem at the center of the world.
So one has to ask himself, "How can Jerusalem be at the center of world if the earth is a globe?"
From historian Andrew Dickson White:
The book of Ezekiel speaks of Jerusalem as in the mid-
dle of the earth, and all other parts of the world as set
around the holy city. Throughout the " ages of faith " this
was very generally accepted as a direct revelation from the
Almighty regarding the earth's form. St. Jerome, the great-
est authority of the early Church upon the Bible, declared,
on the strength of this utterance of the prophet, that Jeru-
salem could be nowhere but at the earth's centre; in the
ninth century Archbishop Rabanus Maurus reiterated the
same argument ; in the eleventh century Hugh of St. Vic-
tor gave to the doctrine another scriptural demonstration ;
and Pope Urban, in his great sermon at Clermont urging
the Franks to the crusade, declared, "
Jerusalem is the middle point of the earth "; in the thirteenth century
an ecclesiastical writer much in vogue, the monk Cesarius of Heisterbach,
declared, "As the heart in the midst of the body, so is Jerusalem situated
in the midst of our inhabited earth," —
"so it was that Christ was crucified at the centre of the earth."

Dante accepted this view of Jerusalem as a certainty,
wedding it to immortal verse; and in the pious book
of travels ascribed to Sir John Mandeville, so widely read
in the Middle Ages, it is declared that Jerusalem is at the
centre of the world, and that a spear standing erect at the
Holy Sepulchre casts no shadow at the equinox.
Ezekiel's statement thus became the standard of ortho- doxy to early map-makers. The map of the world at Hereford Cathedral, the maps of Andrea Bianco, Marino Sanuto. and a multitude of others fixed this view in men's minds, and doubtless discouraged during many generations any scientific statements tending to unbalance this geographical centre revealed in Scripture.*
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Offline happenby

Re: The Church censors flat earth criticism
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2018, 09:15:45 PM »
The veil St. Basil speaks of is the firmament, a tell-tale staple in the geocentric flat earth and otherwise excluded in the globe models, but Basil's statement also reveals his understanding of the typology regarding the veil of the tabernacle and earth being a macrocosm of the house of God as Basil, Cosmas and Severian teach, earth is like a two story house with heaven being the upper story, the firmament dividing as a veil with the earth below that. 
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Offline Jaynek

Re: The Church censors flat earth criticism
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2018, 09:19:20 PM »
Andrew Dickson White has been discredited as a historian.  He distorted facts in order to support his thesis that bad backward religion was in conflict with good progressive science.

Saying that Jerusalem is the center of the world is not the same a believing the earth is flat.  Both Dante and Sir John de Mandeville thought the earth was a sphere.
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Offline happenby

Re: The Church censors flat earth criticism
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2018, 09:32:12 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on October 14, 2018, 09:19:20 PM
Andrew Dickson White has been discredited as a historian.  He distorted facts in order to support his thesis that bad backward religion was in conflict with good progressive science.

Saying that Jerusalem is the center of the world is not the same a believing the earth is flat.  Both Dante and Sir John de Mandeville thought the earth was a sphere.
Not even. ADW is well known and lauded for his historical accuracy.  His sources are spot on and no one has ever taken issue with them.  What our Protestant ADW does distort, is the fact that earth is flat, and he spends a good portion of his efforts to discredit the Fathers of the Catholic Church using their actual quotes, in order to make them look stupid for believing earth is flat.  It's his paraphrasing, not his sources that are distortions.    
If Jerusalem is at the center of the earth and earth is a globe, then Jerusalem is at the core of a molten iron ball earth along with modern placement of hell.  Even to the most ignorant of people it becomes obvious that Jerusalem being at the center of the world means earth cannot possibly be a globe.  And the typologies, teachings and explanations offered by the Fathers of the Church show that the literal interpretation of Scripture necessarily reveals the earth is flat.    
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