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Offline St Giles

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Re: Test GE and FE
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2023, 01:15:50 PM »
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  • Who can see that far even from Mt Everest?
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #46 on: February 26, 2023, 01:16:43 PM »
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  • Gospel for today, the 1st Sunday of Lent:

    Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, (Matt 4:8)

    ...This would not be possible on a globe earth...The Church tells us that Satan did tempt Jesus 3x.  We take this story in a literal sense.  Therefore, we must also take this description of the earth in a literal sense.  To me, this proves a flat land, dome earth model.

    Can you explain how all the theologians and canonists missed that? I suggest that there is another explanation.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #47 on: February 26, 2023, 01:17:48 PM »
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  • Who can see that far even from Mt Everest?

    Correct, therefore there must be another explanation.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #48 on: February 26, 2023, 02:06:58 PM »
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  • Who can see that far even from Mt Everest?

    You normally can't ... due to atmospheric conditions, as Dr. Sungenis concedes vis-a-vis the Flat Earth debate.  Of course, the devil has the capability to cut through atmospheric conditions if he wanted to and create a line of sight through it.

    Nevertheless, Globers have zero explanation for how repeatedly, time after time, and consistently, objects are seen from distances that would be impossible on a globe.  They have a word they throw out there ... "refraction" but it's hogwash and can't explain what's been and is destroyed by the two-way laser experiments.  No convincing explanation has ever been offered by Globers.

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #49 on: February 26, 2023, 02:12:27 PM »
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  • Reality:

    There is no effect that would make objects, or light/light rays/photons, obstruct your view if it was on a flat surface. Only a curved surface explains this observations.

    Utterly idiotic.  It's the other way around.  Surface and atmospheric conditions and convergence with the horizon can clearly be demonstrated to obstruct objects sometimes.  There are videos of a guy's legs disappearing as he walks down a street ... due to heat and humidity.  Boats appear to vanish from the bottom up as they travel away, but then if you zoom in on them, the bottom comes back, meaning that the bottom disappeared tude to line of sight, perspective, and convergence.  What can't be explained is how the light rays and photos can bend around the surface of the earth both ways.

    There is no effect that can explain pictures of a lighthouse that stands 150 feet above sea level from over 200 miles away when it should be obstructed by miles of curvature, and especially the two-way laser experiments, where "refraction" is 100% ruled out.

    Of course, with the 2 pictures above, as usually with the globers, no data whatsoever is provided about from where the pictures are being taken, from how far away and from what angle, no data about the weather or atmospheric conditions.  There appears to be some kind of rocky barrier in the view on the right.  Globers never provide the data because they're dishonest and aren't seeking the truth.  FEs are constantly providing the measurements, distances, temperature / humidity readings, do refraction calculations, etc.

    It's amazing how "refraction" is this ever-present phenomenon when FEs show pictures that defy globe math, but then there's never a mention of "refraction" possibly being involved with pictures Globers present as evidence.  It magically disappears when it confirms in their mind their pre-conceived Globe model.  That's classic confirmation bias.


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #50 on: February 26, 2023, 02:24:48 PM »
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  • Looks pretty flat to me guys


    J Tolan ran his pictures from a long flight across the country through some high-end photogrammetry software, which is known to be extremely accurate in terms of contructing 3-D images and 3-D / depth data from 2-dimensional images, and the software determined that his entire route of several thousand miles was flat as a pancake.

    Think about this for a second.  You've see those views from 120,000 feet from the amateur balloons.  Think of how high that is.  Well, if you were to go from one end of Kansas to the other, you would exeperience 120,000 feet of curvature, the same amount of curvature as those balloon are above the surface.  You would see the horizon dip significantly instead of remaining at eye level.

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #51 on: February 26, 2023, 03:07:08 PM »
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  • Is there any part of space where a plane can't make a full 360 rotation?

    NO. If all the space provided for planes is fully spherical and ready to go, why is the Earth flat? Because it's not moving and the Sun oribits the Earth!

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #52 on: February 27, 2023, 08:27:50 AM »
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    Can you explain how all the theologians and canonists missed that?
    I don't think there are a lot of canonists and theologians who support globe earth.  So they didn't miss it.  Even St Augustine thought flat-land was possible.


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #53 on: February 27, 2023, 09:55:09 AM »
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  • I don't think there are a lot of canonists and theologians who support globe earth.  So they didn't miss it. 

    No offense but, do you know how ridiculous that sounds? :facepalm: No one for millennia gave FE a serious consideration until the last few years. This is, in my estimation, a distraction, developed by the “powers to be”, mostly to keep geocentrism under wraps. I can’t believe how many knowledgeable people on this forum have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, can any of you produce a coherent reasonable FE model??? If you can’t, this topic should be permanently removed.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #54 on: February 27, 2023, 10:37:46 AM »
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  • No offense but, do you know how ridiculous that sounds? :facepalm: No one for millennia gave FE a serious consideration until the last few years. This is, in my estimation, a distraction, developed by the “powers to be”, mostly to keep geocentrism under wraps. I can’t believe how many knowledgeable people on this forum have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, can any of you produce a coherent reasonable FE model??? If you can’t, this topic should be permanently removed.

    Hey right back at ya. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD the globe model is ridiculous. A globe earth covered in oxygen surrounded by a powerful infinite vacuum of outer space, being able to see WAY too far given the alleged size of the "globe" earth, the countless attempts to scam us with fish-eye lenses and outright lies. And then there's NASA! "Not A Space Agency". EVEN IF globe earth were true, SPACE IS 100% FAKE and that is even easier to prove. NASA lies more often than they tell the truth. They've been caught faking HUNDREDS of times, starting with the so-called Moon Landings.

    The globe-pushers always resort to name calling, emotion, and ad hominems, never respecting their audience or their opponents to be rational human beings. On the other hand, only FE proponents invite their audience to think for themselves, consider this or that, or do their own experiments. Interesting. With globists, it's all "trust the Science", "trust the experts", "don't be a Heretic".

    Why would NASA lie so much, if there's really a vacuum of space that men can go into with specialized vehicles (spacecraft)? Why fake it?

    And why the hell would Google be pushing satan's lies and agenda seven ways from Sunday, in and out of season -- but OOPS! they actually care about mankind and the truth when it comes to the nature of the Earth!

    A related argument: why smash an ant with a sledgehammer? They feel compelled to devote great amounts of effort and resources to fight against Flat Earth, even though it's a "crazy archaic conspiracy theory" that only a lunatic would consider. Why all the disclaimers and warnings on every Youtube video or webpage/article touching on Flat Earth? Why all the debunking videos? Seems they protest too much. You catch that much flak only when you're flying over the target...

    Would a man spend $200 to rent a flamethrower to torch an (average, 6" tall) anthill, then have a concrete company pour a slab over the anthill? Of course not. It wouldn't be worth the expense/effort.
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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #55 on: February 27, 2023, 10:45:27 AM »
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  • Did you know how popular Flat Earth was just 80 or 100 years ago? It was almost common knowledge.

    Don't mistake 100% of hollywood movies and 100% of recent textbooks for "everyone knows Flat Earth is false". 
    Hollywood and the Media give you a false impression about reality, as always. The people who were taught Flat Earth in school are only recently deceased. 
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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #56 on: February 27, 2023, 10:46:24 AM »
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  • As Ladislaus said,

    Globers never provide the data because they're dishonest and aren't seeking the truth.  FEs are constantly providing the measurements, distances, temperature / humidity readings, do refraction calculations, etc.

    It's amazing how "refraction" is this ever-present phenomenon when FEs show pictures that defy globe math, but then there's never a mention of "refraction" possibly being involved with pictures Globers present as evidence.  It magically disappears when it confirms in their mind their pre-conceived Globe model.  That's classic confirmation bias.


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     Globers have zero explanation for how repeatedly, time after time, and consistently, objects are seen from distances that would be impossible on a globe.  They have a word they throw out there ... "refraction" but it's hogwash and can't explain what's been and is destroyed by the two-way laser experiments.  No convincing explanation has ever been offered by Globers.
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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #57 on: February 27, 2023, 10:50:17 AM »
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  • This bears repeating:

    Reality:
    1.All pictures of the earth from space are admitted by NASA to be fake.
    2. We're able to see objects such as land, buildings, boats that are supposed to be behind the "curve".
    3. NASA and Obama say we can't leave low earth orbit.
    4. The North Star never moves and the constellations have never changed ever.
    5. Weather balloon footage and footage from airplanes show the horizon to be flat and always at eye level.
    6. All of the astroNOTS that supposedly landed on the moon would not swear on the Bible.
    7. Water is always level on the surface yet it makes up 70% of our earth.
    8. NASA takes $50,000,000 a day.
    9. Operation Paperclip.
    10. The heliocentric model was created by freemasonic devil worshippers.
    11. Air bubbles viewed in "space".
    12. AstroNOT almost drowning in "space".
    13. Scuba tank viewed in "space".
    14. Density and buoyancy without magic gravity.
    15. Gravity strong enough to hold the oceans to the earth yet birds and planes fly with ease.
    16. GoPro lenses used to fake the "curve" of earth.
    17. No observable proof of evolution.
    18. Sun rays come down in angles and not parallel.
    19. Moon light is always colder then moon shade and completely different than sunlight.
    20. Super zoom cameras show that boats do not go over any curve.
    21. Neil Degrasse Tyson says the earth is pear shaped as well as an oblate spheroid.
    22. NASA caught faking a photo of the earth on the way too the moon.
    23. More than one light source during the moon landings.
    24. The UN flag is a flat earth map.
    25. It took Captain Cook 3 years and 60,000 miles to circuмnavigate Antarctica.
    26. Underground cables and ground based towers used for our communication.
    27. Flight paths only make sense on a flat earth.
    28. All but one challenger passengers are still alive today.
    29. NASA caught using green screens.
    30. No 24 hour live feed of the earth from space.
    31. No actual photos of satellites in space.
    32. Lighthouses
    33. Sun dogs impossible on a globe
    34. Antarctica treaty
    35. Admiral Byrd said that there is more land.
    36. The Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary.
    37. Auguste Piccard the first man to reach the stratosphere observed the earth is a flat disk upturned at the edges.
    38. The sun and the moon in the sky at the same time.
    39. Rockets never go straight up.
    40. Bedford level experiment.
    41. Tesla's real scientific findings.
    42. Our own senses tell us that the earth is flat and stationary.
    43. The sun and moon appear to be the same size.
    44. The globe model was created 500 years before NASA.
    45. No one has ever circuмnavigated the earth from north to south only east and west.
    46. Sun dials.
    47. All the "space" agencies across the land share the same vector logo.
    48. Gyroscopes.
    49. Astrolabes.
    50. No parallax with the stars.
    51. Time lapse shows the stars makings perfect circuits around the North Star.
    52. Bolivian salt flats.
    53. Sun appears smaller near the horizon.
    54. We only see one side of the moon.
    55. Railroads.
    56. Air planes fly level and don't account for the curve.
    57. We've only been able to dig 8 miles into the earth yet they say we have a molten core.
    58. The top of the moon being illuminated during a eclipse.
    59. Stars visible thru the moon.
    60. Submarine periscopes
    61. The firmament
    62. Scripture
    63. Saints
    64. The Galileo Affair
    65. Popes condemned the Pythagorean Doctrine
    Unproven Pseudoscience Myths
    1. Dark Matter
    2. Dark Energy
    3. Black Holes
    4. Singularities
    5. Event Horizons
    6. Wimps  (weakly interacting massive particles)
    7. Macho (massive compact halo object)
    8. Mond (massive Newtonian dynamics)
    9. Neutron Stars
    10. Gravitational collapse
    11. Gravitrons
    12. Gravity waves
    13. Inward pulling Gravity
    14. Gravitational lensing
    15. Gravitational constant
    16. Schwarzchild radius
    17. Gravitational radiation
    18. Frame dragging
    19. Anti-Gravity
    20. Virtual Gravity
    21. Quantum Field Theory
    22. General Relativity
    23. Gravity
    24. Pretty much anything NASA says about space



    I would add:

    During an eclipse, you NEVER see the moon approach the Sun and then leave it afterwards. Why can't you see the moon ANYWHERE near the sun, not right before/after, not right next to it, etc. There's some other mechanism that causes eclipses, and no one talks about it.

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    "Penumbra" nonsense. The "moon's" shadow cast on the Earth during an eclipse is WAY too small, given the "facts" of the Globe model.
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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #58 on: February 27, 2023, 10:53:09 AM »
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  • Did you know how popular Flat Earth was just 80 or 100 years ago? It was almost common knowledge.
    This is absolutely false. If it isn’t, please tell me how you know that it was so popular 100 years ago? Matthew, how is it possible for you to make such a statement? Where is the evidence for it?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #59 on: February 27, 2023, 10:57:23 AM »
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    No offense but, do you know how ridiculous that sounds? :facepalm: title=facepalm No one for millennia gave FE a serious consideration until the last few years.
    How did the explorers sail around the world only 500 years ago?  They navigated by the stars, which don’t move.  How do the stars not move, if the earth spins and rotates?


    Even if they used a compass, their world map was different than the fabricated nonsense used today.  If one uses a compass today, they have to make all manner of “adjustments” to make sense of the globe earth.  Many old maps are similar to a flat-land model.  Because it works, scientifically.

    Modern/Masonic science has covered up evidence of the Great Flood, of the Garden of Eden, of Jericho, of Noah’s Ark, etc etc.  You don’t think they could cover up/hide old maps from the 1600s showing a flat-land model? 

    Look at what these evil people have done to the Church in a matter of 100 years.  It’s completely unrecognizable. And sciences were the FIRST major institution they corrupted (not counting the banking industry) starting waaaay back in the 1400s.  They had to control the sciences long before Copernicus came on the scene in the 1500s.  They’ve controlled science for darn near 600 years.  

    Think outside the box, dude.