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Offline Stanley N

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Re: Test GE and FE
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2021, 12:08:37 AM »
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  • Let's see what can be done with one observation.

    Where was the sun on Dec 26? 5 days after the solstice, so somewhere near the southern tropic, 23.4 S.

    The sun is always at 90 degrees elevation from some point on earth, and this point moves between the tropics, 46.8 degrees over half of a 365.25 day year. As a first approximation, the point of 90 degree elevation moved 1.3 degrees in 5 days. That puts it over 22.1 S latitude.

    If the earth were flat, the sun, the point at 22 S latitude, and the point at 42 N latitude would form a right triangle.

    What would be the distance from 42 N to 22 S latitudes, or 64 degrees? One degree of latitude is 69 miles, so that's approximately 4420 miles.

    On a flat earth, a 26 degree elevation angle would put the distance from the earth surface to the sun at 4420 * tan (26) = 2160 miles.


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #31 on: December 28, 2021, 08:22:56 AM »
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  • Let's see what can be done with one observation.

    Where was the sun on Dec 26? 5 days after the solstice, so somewhere near the southern tropic, 23.4 S.

    The sun is always at 90 degrees elevation from some point on earth, and this point moves between the tropics, 46.8 degrees over half of a 365.25 day year. As a first approximation, the point of 90 degree elevation moved 1.3 degrees in 5 days. That puts it over 22.1 S latitude.

    If the earth were flat, the sun, the point at 22 S latitude, and the point at 42 N latitude would form a right triangle.

    What would be the distance from 42 N to 22 S latitudes, or 64 degrees? One degree of latitude is 69 miles, so that's approximately 4420 miles.

    On a flat earth, a 26 degree elevation angle would put the distance from the earth surface to the sun at 4420 * tan (26) = 2160 miles.
    We should honestly try a second attempt at this. In my area, it looks like Friday (Dec 31st) will possibly have clear skies. Since it is New Years Eve, I assume at least some people have the day off. Do we want to try again for that day? No guarantees, but at least if we get a couple people who are able to measure, that's something. 


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #32 on: December 28, 2021, 08:56:28 AM »
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  • We should honestly try a second attempt at this.

    Anyone can take an observation at any time. Near a solstice has some benefits for this observation.

    And you don't need several hundred dollars of equipment (a la Corey Kell) to do this.

    You can do this with a smartphone app. A free one called Protractor360 will work, though it only gives degrees, so its measurement uncertainty is automatically at least 0.5 degrees. This will let you measure angles relative to level, using sensors in the smartphone.

    Seems best to use this app along with something physical akin to a missal stand. Put the phone on the stand and move the angle until the edge of the phone points to the sun. (Wear eye protection.) If the phone is face up and you haven't played with the settings, the app should read the elevation + 270 degrees. That is, if elevation is 26 degrees, the app will show 296. You should validate how the app works. Make sure you are measuring the smartphone axis that you're changing.

    Measurement should be at solar noon. That's when the sun is directly due south.

    I suspect other observations, well away from 42N, would not get the same 2200 mile altitude for the sun in the "flat earth" model.

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #33 on: December 28, 2021, 10:13:14 AM »
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  • Reality:
    1.All pictures of the earth from space are admitted by NASA to be fake.
    2. We're able to see objects such as land, buildings, boats that are supposed to be behind the "curve".
    3. NASA and Obama say we can't leave low earth orbit.
    4. The North Star never moves and the constellations have never changed ever.
    5. Weather balloon footage and footage from airplanes show the horizon to be flat and always at eye level.
    6. All of the astroNOTS that supposedly landed on the moon would not swear on the Bible.
    7. Water is always level on the surface yet it makes up 70% of our earth.
    8. NASA takes $50,000,000 a day.
    9. Operation Paperclip.
    10. The heliocentric model was created by freemasonic devil worshippers.
    11. Air bubbles viewed in "space".
    12. AstroNOT almost drowning in "space".
    13. Scuba tank viewed in "space".
    14. Density and buoyancy without magic gravity.
    15. Gravity strong enough to hold the oceans to the earth yet birds and planes fly with ease.
    16. GoPro lenses used to fake the "curve" of earth.
    17. No observable proof of evolution.
    18. Sun rays come down in angles and not parallel.
    19. Moon light is always colder then moon shade and completely different than sunlight.
    20. Super zoom cameras show that boats do not go over any curve.
    21. Neil Degrasse Tyson says the earth is pear shaped as well as an oblate spheroid.
    22. NASA caught faking a photo of the earth on the way too the moon.
    23. More than one light source during the moon landings.
    24. The UN flag is a flat earth map.
    25. It took Captain Cook 3 years and 60,000 miles to circuмnavigate Antarctica.
    26. Underground cables and ground based towers used for our communication.
    27. Flight paths only make sense on a flat earth.
    28. All but one challenger passengers are still alive today.
    29. NASA caught using green screens.
    30. No 24 hour live feed of the earth from space.
    31. No actual photos of satellites in space.
    32. Lighthouses
    33. Sun dogs impossible on a globe
    34. Antarctica treaty
    35. Admiral Byrd said that there is more land.
    36. The Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary.
    37. Auguste Piccard the first man to reach the stratosphere observed the earth is a flat disk upturned at the edges.
    38. The sun and the moon in the sky at the same time.
    39. Rockets never go straight up.
    40. Bedford level experiment.
    41. Tesla's real scientific findings.
    42. Our own senses tell us that the earth is flat and stationary.
    43. The sun and moon appear to be the same size.
    44. The globe model was created 500 years before NASA.
    45. No one has ever circuмnavigated the earth from north to south only east and west.
    46. Sun dials.
    47. All the "space" agencies across the land share the same vector logo.
    48. Gyroscopes.
    49. Astrolabes.
    50. No parallax with the stars.
    51. Time lapse shows the stars makings perfect circuits around the North Star.
    52. Bolivian salt flats.
    53. Sun appears smaller near the horizon.
    54. We only see one side of the moon.
    55. Railroads.
    56. Air planes fly level and don't account for the curve.
    57. We've only been able to dig 8 miles into the earth yet they say we have a molten core.
    58. The top of the moon being illuminated during a eclipse.
    59. Stars visible thru the moon.
    60. Submarine periscopes

    61. The firmament
    62. Scripture
    63. Saints
    64. The Galileo Affair
    65. Popes condemned the Pythagorean Doctrine
    Unproven Pseudoscience Myths
    1. Dark Matter
    2. Dark Energy
    3. Black Holes
    4. Singularities
    5. Event Horizons
    6. Wimps  (weakly interacting massive particles)
    7. Macho (massive compact halo object)
    8. Mond (massive Newtonian dynamics)
    9. Neutron Stars
    10. Gravitational collapse
    11. Gravitrons
    12. Gravity waves
    13. Inward pulling Gravity
    14. Gravitational lensing
    15. Gravitational constant
    16. Schwarzchild radius
    17. Gravitational radiation
    18. Frame dragging
    19. Anti-Gravity
    20. Virtual Gravity
    21. Quantum Field Theory
    22. General Relativity
    23. Gravity
    24. Pretty much anything NASA says about space





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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #34 on: December 28, 2021, 12:23:59 PM »
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  • 8. Mond (massive Newtonian dynamics)

    Mond = modified Newtonian dynamics.

    I'm skeptical of the Mond hypothesis too. Outside the situations it was designed for, it doesn't make good predictions.


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #35 on: December 28, 2021, 05:46:09 PM »
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  • Reality:

    There is no effect that would make objects, or light/light rays/photons, obstruct your view if it was on a flat surface. Only a curved surface explains this observations.

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #36 on: December 28, 2021, 05:51:49 PM »
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  • Reality:

    There is no effect that would make objects, or light/light rays/photons, obstruct your view if it was on a flat surface. Only a curved surface explains this observations.

    Seriously?  This statement is preposterous.

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #37 on: December 29, 2021, 01:00:32 AM »
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  • Seriously?  This statement is preposterous.
    What is preposterous about it?

    Can you explain partial obstruction of distant objects on a flat surface?

    If yes, I'd like to hear it, if no, welcome to globe Earth.


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #38 on: December 29, 2021, 07:54:25 AM »
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  • What would be the distance from 42 N to 22 S latitudes, or 64 degrees? One degree of latitude is 69 miles, so that's approximately 4420 miles.
    On a flat earth, a 26 degree elevation angle would put the distance from the earth surface to the sun at 4420 * tan (26) = 2160 miles.

    The point of 90 degree elevation doesn't actually move linearly between the tropics, it moves as a cosine.

    So on Dec 26, that point was at -23.4 * cos(5/365.25 * 360) = 23.3 S.

    That puts the sun at 2200 miles above earth surface, if the earth were flat.

    Curious that observations from other places or at other times of the year - even by flat earthers - give quite different solar altitudes.

    I think we know why.

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #39 on: December 29, 2021, 08:34:24 AM »
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  • Reality:

    There is no effect that would make objects, or light/light rays/photons, obstruct your view if it was on a flat surface. Only a curved surface explains this observations.

    Were the heights the same in the two photos?

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #40 on: December 30, 2021, 04:21:11 AM »
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  • Were the heights the same in the two photos?
    Roughly the same, directly on the lake, so saying 2m would be fine.

    Here are the actual calculations: https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/09/flat-earth-follies-incredible-shrinking.html


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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #41 on: December 26, 2022, 05:54:53 AM »
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  • Reality:
    1.All pictures of the earth from space are admitted by NASA to be fake.
    2. We're able to see objects such as land, buildings, boats that are supposed to be behind the "curve".
    3. NASA and Obama say we can't leave low earth orbit.
    4. The North Star never moves and the constellations have never changed ever.
    5. Weather balloon footage and footage from airplanes show the horizon to be flat and always at eye level.
    6. All of the astroNOTS that supposedly landed on the moon would not swear on the Bible.
    7. Water is always level on the surface yet it makes up 70% of our earth.
    8. NASA takes $50,000,000 a day.
    9. Operation Paperclip.
    10. The heliocentric model was created by freemasonic devil worshippers.
    11. Air bubbles viewed in "space".
    12. AstroNOT almost drowning in "space".
    13. Scuba tank viewed in "space".
    14. Density and buoyancy without magic gravity.
    15. Gravity strong enough to hold the oceans to the earth yet birds and planes fly with ease.
    16. GoPro lenses used to fake the "curve" of earth.
    17. No observable proof of evolution.
    18. Sun rays come down in angles and not parallel.
    19. Moon light is always colder then moon shade and completely different than sunlight.
    20. Super zoom cameras show that boats do not go over any curve.
    21. Neil Degrasse Tyson says the earth is pear shaped as well as an oblate spheroid.
    22. NASA caught faking a photo of the earth on the way too the moon.
    23. More than one light source during the moon landings.
    24. The UN flag is a flat earth map.
    25. It took Captain Cook 3 years and 60,000 miles to circuмnavigate Antarctica.
    26. Underground cables and ground based towers used for our communication.
    27. Flight paths only make sense on a flat earth.
    28. All but one challenger passengers are still alive today.
    29. NASA caught using green screens.
    30. No 24 hour live feed of the earth from space.
    31. No actual photos of satellites in space.
    32. Lighthouses
    33. Sun dogs impossible on a globe
    34. Antarctica treaty
    35. Admiral Byrd said that there is more land.
    36. The Michelson–Morley experiment proved the earth is stationary.
    37. Auguste Piccard the first man to reach the stratosphere observed the earth is a flat disk upturned at the edges.
    38. The sun and the moon in the sky at the same time.
    39. Rockets never go straight up.
    40. Bedford level experiment.
    41. Tesla's real scientific findings.
    42. Our own senses tell us that the earth is flat and stationary.
    43. The sun and moon appear to be the same size.
    44. The globe model was created 500 years before NASA.
    45. No one has ever circuмnavigated the earth from north to south only east and west.
    46. Sun dials.
    47. All the "space" agencies across the land share the same vector logo.
    48. Gyroscopes.
    49. Astrolabes.
    50. No parallax with the stars.
    51. Time lapse shows the stars makings perfect circuits around the North Star.
    52. Bolivian salt flats.
    53. Sun appears smaller near the horizon.
    54. We only see one side of the moon.
    55. Railroads.
    56. Air planes fly level and don't account for the curve.
    57. We've only been able to dig 8 miles into the earth yet they say we have a molten core.
    58. The top of the moon being illuminated during a eclipse.
    59. Stars visible thru the moon.
    60. Submarine periscopes

    61. The firmament
    62. Scripture
    63. Saints
    64. The Galileo Affair
    65. Popes condemned the Pythagorean Doctrine
    Unproven Pseudoscience Myths
    1. Dark Matter
    2. Dark Energy
    3. Black Holes
    4. Singularities
    5. Event Horizons
    6. Wimps  (weakly interacting massive particles)
    7. Macho (massive compact halo object)
    8. Mond (massive Newtonian dynamics)
    9. Neutron Stars
    10. Gravitational collapse
    11. Gravitrons
    12. Gravity waves
    13. Inward pulling Gravity
    14. Gravitational lensing
    15. Gravitational constant
    16. Schwarzchild radius
    17. Gravitational radiation
    18. Frame dragging
    19. Anti-Gravity
    20. Virtual Gravity
    21. Quantum Field Theory
    22. General Relativity
    23. Gravity
    24. Pretty much anything NASA says about space






    Nice collection of facts!

    I was just thinking about how it was about a year ago (right before Christmas 2021) that Flat Earth discussion really heated up on CI. It was "All Flat Earth, all the time" as some might complain. But once again, it passed after a while.
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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #42 on: February 26, 2023, 11:49:11 AM »
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  • Looks pretty flat to me guys
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #43 on: February 26, 2023, 12:51:22 PM »
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  • What is preposterous about it?

    Can you explain partial obstruction of distant objects on a flat surface?

    If yes, I'd like to hear it, if no, welcome to globe Earth.

    I can explain it….. the Earth is a globe.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Test GE and FE
    « Reply #44 on: February 26, 2023, 12:57:15 PM »
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  • Gospel for today, the 1st Sunday of Lent:

    Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, (Matt 4:8)

    ...This would not be possible on a globe earth...The Church tells us that Satan did tempt Jesus 3x.  We take this story in a literal sense.  Therefore, we must also take this description of the earth in a literal sense.  To me, this proves a flat land, dome earth model.