Author Topic: Sunset Due West Proves Globe Earth, As Usual (Read 629 times)

Neil Obstat · « **on:** September 22, 2018, 02:36:11 PM »

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FIRST DAY OF FALL
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Submitted by Sandi on September 21, 2018 - 5:54pm

Your article says that the first day of fall is 9/22/2018, all of my calendars say that the first day of fall is on Sunday 9/23/2018, now which is right?

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Submitted by Mark on September 22, 2018 - 7:38am

Both are correct. Fall begins the evening of the 22nd and the first full day of fall is the 23rd.

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IOW Saturday is the partial first day of fall, and Sunday is the first full day of fall.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2018, 02:38:53 PM »

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Flat-earthers can't use modern science to back their claims because modern science is out there denying their entire premise with facts in plain sight, but flat-earthers think they're "hidden." That's because flat-earthers don't want to look!
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Facts in plain sight:
-- The sun rises due east and sets due west twice a year, on the 2 equinoxes.
-- The east sunrise and west sunset on the equinoxes can be seen from anywhere on the globe, twice each year.

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Speaking of equinox, that is happening right now!

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https://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-fall-autumnal-equinox

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Today, Saturday Sept. 22nd, 2018, is the autumnal equinox.
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Wherever you go today you can see the sun set in the west, precisely due west, impossible on a "flat" earth.
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Whether you are in northern Canada or in Tierra del Fuego, you see the same thing, sun due west at sunset.
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In Australia or Siberia, whether in Johannesburg SA, or Greenland, same thing, sun sets due west.
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Impossible on a "flat" earth.
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No problem on a globe.
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Case closed. Again. As usual.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** September 22, 2018, 02:47:39 PM »

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You don't even need a compass.
Go to any east-west street and watch the sun set this evening, directly over the centerline of the street.
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If you miss it today, you get a second chance tomorrow morning.
The sun rises due east tomorrow, just one degree south of due east, so it looks right on by casual observation.
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Impossible on a "flat" earth, no problem on a globe earth.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2018, 07:16:03 PM »

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Where are the truth-seeking flat-earthers?
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Did any of you guys bother to take a peek at where the sun set yesterday and rose today?
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Do any of you guys care about the truth that is right there before you? All you have to do is look!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2018, 04:25:30 PM »

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Truth seeking flat-earthers ought to be pouring over the equinox videos to learn something, like this one:
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It was really upsetting to jeranism, who made a video trying to renounce its content but he only managed to reinforce it.
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That was the beginning of jeran's year-long slide into obscurity, and now he's trying real hard to undo the damage.
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That's why he's a speaker at the upcoming Denver flat-earthdom syndrome symposium.
Which could be cancelled for lack of attendance.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** September 26, 2018, 02:02:31 PM »

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There are quite a number of videos and articles online referring to the due east sunrise and due west sunset
which is plain to see from everywhere on earth on the occasion of every equinox.
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Flat-earthers conspicuously IGNORE this topic, everywhere. Just like they do here on CI.
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The very few flat-earthers who have attempted to deny the obvious, inadvertently end up only proving the sphericity of the earth.
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"No offense intended, just telling it like it is."

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Example:
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In this video the Sunset is closer to due West compared to the position in my October and December videos at the same location.

Just 11 days to the Equinox - each Sunset will move further North and on March 20th it will set at 270 degrees which is directly in line with this road.

The Equinox Sunrise and Sunset angles all over the Earth are an observable reality that no Flat Earth map can explain.

Sly Sparkane has produced an excellent video to help you visualize the geometry involved and why real angles observed on the occasion of the Equinox are a big problem for Flat Earth.
[Here is the link promised near the end of the previous post's embedded video]

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Equinox is one of the many natural enemies of the flat earth conjecture.
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Robert Campbell 1 year ago -- I am a retired USAF officer and I was assigned to Andersen AFB, Guam, from September 1999 through November 2001. Guam is 13.5 degrees north latitude. I was on-island for four equinoxes and I can assure you, the sun rose due east and set due west on the equinoxes. The fantasy flying flashlight ["flying torch" for Brits] of the flattard flat-Earth model required the sun to rise from northeast and set northwest. Reality disagrees with the flattards by a full 45 degrees, so epic fail for flat Earth.
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gareth milton 1 year ago Great video Wolfie, I wish flatties would watch your videos and heed your advice. All you have to do is go outside and watch the sunset. Use your eyes and use your brain, it proves we can only live on a spherical, globe earth !!
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The International Cheese Eater 1 year ago I've been telling FEers to draw a diagram of this:

Draw a circle representing the Sun's path. At one point on the circle put a mark labelled sunrise. Because the day and night are roughly equal on the equinox, put another mark labelled sunset directly [diametrically] opposite the first, a half turn around the circle. Where is the only location on this diagram that you can be, in order to face sunrise and then turn 180 degrees to face sunset?

[Answer: North Pole -- but in the real world, the South Pole works as well. The point is, that's only the case with a "flat" earth map, whereas in the real world, you can be anywhere on earth and see sunrise and sunset 180 degrees apart like this.]

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st0rmforce 1 year ago Awww.... don't confuse the poor buggers. You know they're allergic to angles.

But speaking of flathead solar geometry, I've never got an answer to the question of how, on June 21st, the duration of daylight over the Tropic of Cancer could be the same as it is on December 21st over the Tropic of Capricorn.

In December the sun would have to go quite a bit faster than it does in June, to maintain one circuit every 24 hours. [On a "flat" earth]

If the sun disappears at night (because the light "only goes so far," as flat-earthers claim) then every day of the year in Aus/NZ/SA/etc., would be shorter than any night, because there's more land for it to illuminate further south with its fixed-sized spotlight. The sun would visibly move faster in December than it does in June.

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Wolfie6020 1 year ago (edited) +st0rmforce, yes that is a great question. I have asked the same. If you look at Rockhampton, Australia (located on the Tropic of Capricorn) and Mazatlan, Mexico (located on the Tropic of Cancer) on those dates the length of daylight is the same, at 13 hours 33 minutes.

Most won't answer that question at all, but one Flat Earther told me the Sun goes much higher when over the Tropic of Capricorn so it lights up more area and appears to move slower. --I asked him why the Sun does not appear smaller at that time of year... he never replied, and I never heard from him again. :-) [Because where the sun goes much higher, it must appear smaller, too.]

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jeranism
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Wolfie6020 - how can you message me but I have no way to message you? How did you get that set-up? Can you please call me in the next few minutes if you get this? (562) 735-3528 [Jeranism provided his phone number for the world to see.. Smart?]

Wolfie6020
Wolfie6020
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+jeranism Hi Jeran I didn't set anything up. You can message me here or by email. I have sent you several emails but have received no reply to most of them. Are you going to measure the Equinox Sunrise / Sunset yourself?

Wolfie6020
Wolfie6020
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+jeranism. Wow Jeran that is very disappointing. I invited you to Australia and offered to pay for your accommodation and airfare so you could film the Equinox in Perth yourself and then take the Non Stop flight to Johanesburg together and docuмent it properly with a GPS Log.

Consider that offer officially withdrawn mate. I will find someone else from FE who is genuinely interested in the truth and has a channel that is not monetised.

The Equinox proves the Earth is not flat, Jeran; I think you know that already and that explains your overreaction to my video.

The International Cheese Eater
The International Cheese Eater
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Hi Jeran. I tried to post Wolfie's response onto your attack video, but it appears that you've blocked me... yet again. Honest discourse ftw.

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The International Cheese Eater
The International Cheese Eater
1 year ago
You offered that?! Wow. Unfortunately, I can't think of any prominent flat Earthers who would fit the bill.

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Wolfie6020
Wolfie6020
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+jeranism. Jeran I have nothing against you personally mate and I understand you are trying to protect your Youtube income. That is cool but you are not helping yourself posting videos based on flawed reasoning.

Can your eyes see around corners? So why are you using the ruler tool in Google Earth? That is a curved line (think in three dimensions).

You need to draw a straight line - not one that curves around the Earth. When you draw a straight line from Sydney at 090 degrees it will never cross the Equatorial plane. It is parallel to the Line of Latitude. (By the way you are still confusing Latitude and Longitude. Your lines are all drawn from 75 Longitude - you said "Latitude" in your video)

How can you keep making these basic mistakes in Geometry mate? I am not going to insult you over it but just think about it and try to understand why your argument is nonsense.

Draw a straight line and see the difference.

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Aaron Smith
Aaron Smith
1 year ago
jeran your dyscalculia is getting worse and you should see a doctor before you have an aneurysm.

Jimmy V
Jimmy V
1 year ago
WOW! That's a helluva generous offer!!! Not surprising Wolfie, many of us told you about this piece of sh*t a long time ago. He is like that Niburu Planet X twat. All the FE channels are charlatans just trying to make a fast buck. Good for you for exposing them. Run your offer by Rob Skiba. He seems to be traveling the world and collecting FE checks. Lets see if he will man up.

Blue Heeler
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Jeran you are the dumbest imbecile on the planet. Wolfie was going to treat you and your wife to a trip to Australia. You have no idea who he is. He has more integrity in his little toe than you will ever have in your entire life and would have honored his offer.
You are a just a stupid boy with a YouTube channel who can't afford to take your wife anywhere. Loser.

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Wolfie6020
Wolfie6020
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+jeranism. Like I said Jeran, I have nothing against you personally, and despite your attempt to discredit me I still feel inclined to help you.

I would post this on the Globebusters channel but there is no point as my posts get deleted there.

Why do you persist in lying to people claiming that a Great Circle Route reflects the direction of East?

That is completely wrong - it is nonsense and nobody is buying it. Even other Flat Earthers can see your mistake.

The Lines of Latitude run East and West. These are not Great Circles except the Equator, which is both - it runs East/West and is a Great Circle - but that is the only place on Earth where this exception occurs.

Are you genuinely confused by simple Geometry or intentionally being deceptive?

I will be making a video dedicated to this, showing clearly why your explanation is totally flawed.

Great Circle paths starting with an initial Heading of East (or West) from the same line of Longitude, will all converge on the Equator at the same point. [paths with the same degrees north or south, such as 10 north and 10 south, converge at the same equatorial point]

The fact that this occurs actually proves the Earth is a Globe. Don't you understand that at all mate?
You Jeran are proving the Globe...

A Great Circle Path is constantly changing direction. If it starts East or West it does not maintain that direction [except for starting points on the equator]. If you fly a Great Circle Track in a real aircraft your direction is constantly changing also. Any professional pilot will tell you that.

I realize you are desperate to explain away the Equinox but you are flogging a dead horse using the Great Circle Lines - everybody can see you are wrong and you are only damaging your own credibility.

Why would you want to make it so easy for people like me to show others that Flat Earthers don't understand simple concepts like East and West? Seriously, that is insane.

Try using Google Earth and the Latitude Lines on the Equinox, and line those up with the Sun.

The real issue of course, which you have avoided completely is, how to explain it on a Flat Earth?

You cannot. The Equinox is the Flat Earth killer and more people are understanding that every day. It is coming back in September and every six months after that. You can't ignore it and you can't explain it.

You are fighting a losing battle with this one.

Stick to bashing NASA because when you talk about planes or geometry it makes you look really dumb.
No offense intended but just telling it like it is.

Meg · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2018, 09:50:28 AM »

Neil,

Why are you so obsessed with taunting and heckling those who do not believe that the earth is a globe?

happenby · « **Reply #7 on:** October 01, 2018, 12:31:38 PM »

Quote from: Meg on September 30, 2018, 09:50:28 AM

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Why are you so obsessed with taunting and heckling those who do not believe that the earth is a globe?

Because he is afraid.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2018, 01:34:25 AM »

Quote from: Meg on September 30, 2018, 09:50:28 AM

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Why are you so obsessed with taunting and heckling those who do not believe that the earth is a globe?

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It has nothing to do with "believe" it's all about reality -- verifiable reality. Simple.
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You're asking the wrong question. You ought to be asking why flat-earthdom syndromers keep pushing their silliness agenda.
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You have nothing whatsoever to show for your claims.
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They're all full of holes and fail every test, yet you keep on with the nonsense.
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Why?
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The OP (actually the first several posts) is a perfect case in point, but as usual, you have zero substantive response and resort to nonsense ad-hominems.
That's all you have? You thereby admit defeat but your obstreperous nescience prevents you from admitting it.
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I made these posts in plenty of time but did you bother to step outside and see for yourself?
Did you?
If not, why not?
Are you afraid of the truth?
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Meg · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2018, 08:22:05 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on October 02, 2018, 01:34:25 AM

You're asking the wrong question. You ought to be asking why flat-earthdom syndromers keep pushing their silliness agenda.

It doesn't make sense that you write...."Keep pushing their silliness agenda." when you don't allow flat earth discussion at all. What is it that is being pushed? You continually taunt and heckle, mostly to yourself, since FE is no longer discussed.

Your continual bullying has been quite effective here, or haven't you noticed? I realize that some traditionalists believe that God wants them to bully others who disagree with them. If so, then this is wrong thinking on your part, and it's damaging to tradition.

Meg · « **Reply #10 on:** October 02, 2018, 08:23:50 AM »

Quote from: happenby on October 01, 2018, 12:31:38 PM

Because he is afraid.

Yes, it would seem so. Yet he will not admit to it of course.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2018, 02:53:52 PM »

Quote from: Meg on October 02, 2018, 08:22:05 AM

It doesn't make sense that you write...."Keep pushing their silliness agenda." when you don't allow flat earth discussion at all. What is it that is being pushed? You continually taunt and heckle, mostly to yourself, since FE is no longer discussed.

Your continual bullying has been quite effective here, or haven't you noticed? I realize that some traditionalists believe that God wants them to bully others who disagree with them. If so, then this is wrong thinking on your part, and it's damaging to tradition.

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You are hereby cordially invited to offer your observation of where the sun rose and set on the equinox.
Consider it a personal invitation.
What did you see?
Let's discuss your observation.
Your turn.

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