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Re: Sungenis nonsense - flat earth
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2018, 05:01:57 PM »
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This thread title is at least PARTIALLY correct -- the part that says, nonsense - flat earth

Re: Sungenis nonsense - flat earth
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2018, 06:50:48 PM »
Happenby, you really lose a lot of integrity with me when you jump to conclusions.  No matter how bad you want something to be, a good scientist/detective lets the facts lead him to the answer.  Now you have plenty of facts, but if you are missing some pieces of evidence which connect fact A to fact C, you can't ASSUME fact B supports your theory.  Philosophers can do this, but not scientists.  If you don't have evidence for fact B (even if logic would assume it exists) you must WAIT for fact B to surface.  If you do not wait, then you are not following the scientific method, therefore you should not be preaching and writing books about science.
Thank you.  Listening.  Praying. 


Re: Sungenis nonsense - flat earth
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2018, 06:51:17 PM »
I'm quite happy with you Dogmatic Flatearthists continuing to use these quotes as your "proof" that Flat Earth is a teaching of the Church. Two of the quotes don't have anything at all to do with the shape of the Earth, the others are merely an opinion shared by a few Church Fathers, not at all a teaching of any salvific importance.
I'll just leave this here for people who are interested in actually learning the mind of the Fathers.
The Church Fathers did not condemn the Globe Earth

Ok

Re: Sungenis nonsense - flat earth
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2018, 09:30:47 PM »
If Scripture says earth is flat, it's true. If flat earth is based on Scripture, it's a teaching. If the Fathers taught it, based on Scripture, it's a teaching. If the contrary pagan theory was condemned by the Church, we can know what our world is not. If empirical science proves flat earth and it doesn't contradict Scripture or the Church, it's a logical conclusion it must be true. If all aspects of flat earth, spiritual, scientific, logical, physical, and natural agree on flat earth, it must be true. And if true, it's a teaching. Because Christ is truth. When collected together, proofs continue to line up with flat earth and do not line up with the past or present teaching that earth is a moving globe. Although the ifs remain, and are not absolutely proven, we can still conclude we are on the track of Catholic teaching. It would be error to say that if it's true, but not a specifically stated dogma, it cannot be Catholic teaching. Because Christ is truth.
Awesome point!  God is Truth and The Truth will lead us to God.  Bishop Williamson went on and on about this in his sermon on George Orwell's 1984.  I think that's still around and it is excellent.  

If Flat Earth is Truth, then it will lead people to God, because Truth leads us to God.  If Earth As A Planet is False, then it will lead people away from God, because God is Truth.  Satan is The Father of Lies.  

Re: Sungenis nonsense - flat earth
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2018, 09:51:48 PM »
Truth leads to Salvation.  So, of course all Truth is important to Salvation.  You can't just lie your head off about practically everything in the material world and expect God to save you.  If we are in a War of Good against Evil and we must pick a side in that war and if Good = Truth and Evil = Lies, then we should be loyal to The Truth and unfaithful to lies.  There is objective truth, it is knowable, as surely as God is knowable.  If we can't think straight about the natural world around us, then how are we going to think straight about the supernatural!  If we can't be honest about the natural world, then how can we be honest about the supernatural world.  Both worlds have the same Maker.  Why should we care about the Old Mass, vs The New Mass, if Truth doesn't matter and knowing the truth, experiencing the truth and living it in the little details of our lives and worship doesn't matter.  Of course it matters!  Shall we say, the new mass is good enough for salvation, so lets forget about this latin mass?  No, because we recognize the truth in the latin mass and the dangerous lack of clarity and reverence in the new mass.