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Re: Sungenis' FE book released
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2018, 09:56:32 AM »
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  • Rick DeLano is a nasty personality, that treats all who object with vitriol & scorn. It's good the article pointed it out.



    He sank his own movie by lying and getting Kate Mulgrew and the rest under false pretenses.
    Sungenis and Delano insist it was flat earth that did them in, and I'm sure it had an impact, but scientists and most of the rest of the cast of the movie also complained about being misinformed about their role.  The public isn't usually interested in docuмentaries contrary to what they believe, so it seems these are some of the things that tanked the movie. 


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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #16 on: June 30, 2018, 03:59:37 PM »
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    The book spends most of its content on Biblical topics and on addressing social media topics.
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    It seems to me Sungenis has been overly sensitized to the effects that social media might have on his efforts.
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    After being blind-sided by the unforeseen reaction against The Principle, he's trying to prevent a repeat this time.
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    Overall, it appears he imagines his enemy is the current fad of the appearance of flat-earthism popularity.
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    Perhaps he figures there is a market share in selling books to flat-earthers which he doesn't want to miss out on.
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    In the end, he's facing the same dilemma he faced with the movie, since flat-earthers aren't interested in the facts.
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    Lawrence Krauss and his mind-numbed lemmings aren't interested in the facts, either.
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    They're quite happy with their inane drivel like, "Nothing is everything," and "The unknowable is knowable."
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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #17 on: July 01, 2018, 02:32:02 PM »
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  • Did you buy the book, Neil?

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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 04:28:36 AM »
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  • Did you buy the book, Neil?
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    The Table of Contents is viewable online before the hard copy arrives! 

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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 09:26:34 AM »
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    The Table of Contents is viewable online before the hard copy arrives!
    You paid $135 bucks?!


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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #20 on: July 02, 2018, 10:19:50 AM »
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  • Sungenis and Delano insist it was flat earth that did them in, and I'm sure it had an impact, but scientists and most of the rest of the cast of the movie also complained about being misinformed about their role.  The public isn't usually interested in docuмentaries contrary to what they believe, so it seems these are some of the things that tanked the movie.

    I agree that FE probably had an impact, but probably wasn't the entire reason for doing them in. I can't imagine that there are really all that many flat earth advocates out there. But if there are, it may be the case that flat earthers are just more vocal and passionate about the cause. Geocentrists don't really seem all that willing to stand up for, or promote their cause all that much (at least it seems this way for the geocentrists on the forum here). They often prefer to rail against FE. The forum member Cassini is an exception, of course. He's quite reasonable.

    If I could know that Sungenis would do an analysis that were charitable and fair to the FE side, I would read the book. But I doubt that's the case. It's unfortunate that geocentrists don't really strive to understand FE, and why its important. They just seem reactionary, as if FE were the worst thing in the world. But it can't be the worst thing in the word, since there were early Church Fathers who believed in FE.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #21 on: July 02, 2018, 12:03:01 PM »
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  • I agree that FE probably had an impact, but probably wasn't the entire reason for doing them in. I can't imagine that there are really all that many flat earth advocates out there. But if there are, it may be the case that flat earthers are just more vocal and passionate about the cause. Geocentrists don't really seem all that willing to stand up for, or promote their cause all that much (at least it seems this way for the geocentrists on the forum here). They often prefer to rail against FE. The forum member Cassini is an exception, of course. He's quite reasonable.

    If I could know that Sungenis would do an analysis that were charitable and fair to the FE side, I would read the book. But I doubt that's the case. It's unfortunate that geocentrists don't really strive to understand FE, and why its important. They just seem reactionary, as if FE were the worst thing in the world. But it can't be the worst thing in the word, since there were early Church Fathers who believed in FE.
    Yes, Fathers definitely did believe earth is flat, and Scripture describes a flat earth, and quite specifically not a globe, but Sungenis and Delano either don't know about the Fathers, or they aren't dealing with the Fathers.  And their objection to Scripture is incredibly weak.  Sungenis says that the firmament might be flexible or airy.  Well, his head is flexible and airy because the Father's teach that the firmament is not only a hard, impassable structure, but that there is water above it, not space.  Any reference to the air being the firmament includes the actual firmament but describes the air along with the firmament as things above us.  And what about the water above the firmament?  Sungenis actually suggests that it is out in space somewhere.  ???  Augustine actually speculated about the water passing over/past the stars to get to the earth and because he couldn't account for how that worked, yet he admitted that it must be so because Scripture said it.  No surprise the people of today would rather believe unsubstantiated, highly questionable, pagan science than believe what God says--like St. Augustine.  The pagan model is patently guilty of twisting of truth and has less credibility than anything the Holy Spirit inspired, so without proof of their model, why do people choose to believe it?  Romans 3:4  Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that You may be justified in Your words, and prevail in Your judgments.”

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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #22 on: July 02, 2018, 12:28:25 PM »
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  • I get thumbed down for asking if Neil bought the book??

    Sungenis and DeLano's film was undone by their getting participants under false pretenses. 

    They were sunk by yhe resulting bad press. 


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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #23 on: July 02, 2018, 12:37:56 PM »
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  • I get thumbed down for asking if Neil bought the book??

    Sungenis and DeLano's film was undone by their getting participants under false pretenses.

    They were sunk by yhe resulting bad press.
    Yea, Neil's kindergarten mentality is restricted to few resources.  If crayons were permitted, the flat earth forum would be scribbled on for printing and mounting on his mom's fridge. 

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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #24 on: July 02, 2018, 01:06:21 PM »
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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 07:20:00 PM »
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  • You paid $135 bucks?!
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    Dearest Smeddles,
               Perhaps one day your ship will come in and you'll be afforded the best life can offer!

    Wait...........I feel a song coming on...(...gradual fade-out with softening vignette-turened-to-whole frame blurriness as the setting sun - without solar filter - replaced with 1/16th sized sun - continues setting - then solar filter removed - then replaced - then removed - then replaced - ending with the explosion of green as the sun sinks down low AND THE POWERFUL TELESCOPE IS ZOOMED IN to show how the end of the green explosion can FILL YOUR FRAME but no hint of the sun can be found since it is now PAST SUNSET and no sun is anywhere to be seen - Then, YOU CLIMB UP TO THE ROOF TOP TO SEE THE SUN IN ALL ITS GLORY FROM A HIGHER VANTAGE POINT, then you step into the elevator at, at the, at the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, UAE standing at 828 meters... at which point you still being able to see the last bit of the sun and the hour day-timer window prominently displaying the real time as it passes for all the flat-earthers to see that is if they have eyes to see and ears to hear, cf. St Paul to the Romans: "As it is written: God hath given them the spirit of insensibility; eyes that they should not see; and ears that they should not hear, until this present day."...amen.)
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    So nice to see you again, aryzia. You're looking joyful as ever. Happy 4th of July!! 
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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 07:45:12 PM »
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  • If I could know that Sungenis would do an analysis that were charitable and fair to the FE side, I would read the book. But I doubt that's the case. 

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    Ah-hhem!
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    Are you so sure you're not conflating charity with a spiritual work of mercy? 
    Do you understand the difference in categories those are among?
    How do you manage to stand over the very thing in which you deny your subsistence?
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    Of course, 
    It's far better to mull over and cry about what you don't know rather than to just read the book and remove all doubt.
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    Sound familiar?
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    No?
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    Need a reminder?
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    It's unfortunate that geocentrists don't really strive to understand FE, and why its important. They just seem reactionary, as if FE were the worst thing in the world. But it can't be the worst thing in the word, since there were early Church Fathers who believed in FE.
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    Uhhh,,,, what's there to understand about FE? 
    Why IS it important, anyway, to show how articles that ridicule the Church only ridicule flat-earthers, according to Ladislaus?
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    Recommended Character for 4th of July skits with family of talented writers and actors -- the character huddles in the corner or under a desk afraid to come out and is heard repeating such complaints as those Meg offers: "It's unfortunate... why it's important... reactionary... worst thing in the world... but FE can't be the worst thing in the world... early Church Fathers" ... who watched Jeranism videos -- I mean, refused to believe what they see when they stop, like shepherds with flocks at night, to think about what they see in the sky..... the star......... over Bethlehem........
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    Imagine if the three Wise Men had not known anything about what they SHOULD be able to see at night when the stars in the sky give their messages to those with eyes to see and ears to hear. . . . . . . . . . . . . or NOT.
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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 07:47:52 PM »
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  • Yea, Neil's kindergarten mentality is restricted to few resources.  If crayons were permitted, the flat earth forum would be scribbled on for printing and mounting on his mom's fridge.
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    What? 
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    Well, sometimes when they find insulting or long past ripe cat box kind of posts they get deleted but we'll still have this copy, here.
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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 07:54:32 PM »
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  • Yes, Fathers definitely did believe earth is flat, and Scripture describes a flat earth, and quite specifically not a globe, but Sungenis and Delano either don't know about the Fathers, or they aren't dealing with the Fathers.  And their objection to Scripture is incredibly weak.  Sungenis says that the firmament might be flexible or airy.  Well, his head is flexible and airy because the Father's teach that the firmament is not only a hard, impassable structure, but that there is water above it, not space.  Any reference to the air being the firmament includes the actual firmament but describes the air along with the firmament as things above us.  And what about the water above the firmament?  Sungenis actually suggests that it is out in space somewhere.  ???  Augustine actually speculated about the water passing over/past the stars to get to the earth and because he couldn't account for how that worked, yet he admitted that it must be so because Scripture said it.  No surprise the people of today would rather believe unsubstantiated, highly questionable, pagan science than believe what God says--like St. Augustine.  The pagan model is patently guilty of twisting of truth and has less credibility than anything the Holy Spirit inspired, so without proof of their model, why do people choose to believe it?  Romans 3:4  Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that You may be justified in Your words, and prevail in Your judgments.”
    Many thanks to happenby for providing fruitful material that young aspiring writers can use to compose skits their family can enjoy all polished up and ready for the Family Theater Night which is something great to do, in like, your backyard or a park while the sun is going down over the horizon of the spheroid earth and no telescope can zoom in and make it come "back" which would be a wonderful scene to have for anyone with a Celestron telescope or whatever it makes a great prop for the Family Fun Theater Hour before fireworks tomorrow. 
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    Re: Sungenis' FE book released
    « Reply #29 on: August 24, 2018, 11:12:10 AM »
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    I realize it was mixing topics, but sometimes keeping them all in order is a challenge.
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    Sorry I misspelled flat-earthdom syndrome.
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