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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2024, 10:26:30 PM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoizIP7f-g

    At the 16 minute mark.

    The whole docuмentary might be of your interest, by the way.
    Thanks.  I will look into it.
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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #16 on: September 04, 2024, 10:48:17 PM »
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  • As Neil DeGrasse Tyson says, "That stuff is flat."


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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #17 on: September 05, 2024, 02:40:38 PM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoizIP7f-g

    At the 16 minute mark.

    The whole docuмentary might be of your interest, by the way.
    Are there other videos that maybe are more direct and to the point?  Are there other teams of people who have done the same experiments?

    Its great to do it once, but then other groups need to repeat the tests.

    I have watched this video and my comments are here.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/phd-geophysicist-says-'earth-is-flat'-(afonso-emidio-de-vasconcelos-lopes)/
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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #18 on: September 05, 2024, 03:17:44 PM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igoizIP7f-g

    At the 16 minute mark.

    The whole docuмentary might be of your interest, by the way.
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    These people claim to have discovered an entire continent that nobody knew existed. :laugh1:

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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #19 on: September 05, 2024, 03:41:22 PM »
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  • Are there other videos that maybe are more direct and to the point?  Are there other teams of people who have done the same experiments?

    Its great to do it once, but then other groups need to repeat the tests.
    I really don't know.

    With all due respect, I am not one to enter into these endless discussions.

    I don't know enough about the subject, and, even if I did, I don't really have what it takes to answer the refutations.

    I just posted the link because I had the impression that you had not seem the laser experiments and that the whole docuмentary could be of your interest.


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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #20 on: September 05, 2024, 03:50:47 PM »
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    These people claim to have discovered an entire continent that nobody knew existed. :laugh1:

    See, this typifies the problem.  You laugh ... :laugh1: ... before having any idea what their evidence is or is not.

    Rational responses might include:

    1) I don't know what their evidence is for the additional continent.
    2) I've looked at their evidence and find it unconvincing.
    3) I've looked at their evidence and find it convincing.

    I'm actually in position #1 right now.  I have no idea what evidence they have for this assertion (they don't go into it), but just to laugh out of ignorance makes you look like a fool and makes it quite clear that you're not interested in looking at it with an open mind.

    You expose yourself with stuff like this.

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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #21 on: September 05, 2024, 03:54:17 PM »
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  • As Neil DeGrasse Tyson says, "That stuff is flat."

    See, here's the thing.  Tyson is wrong.  At the purported altitude of the Red Bull capsule, you absolutely SHOULD have seen visible curvature ... not as pronounced as indicated by the fish-eye lens, but noticeable nevertheless.  So was Tyson just plain ignorant or was he lying?  If he was lying, why lie?

    I surmise that he was lying because various amateur outfits have recently gained the capability to send balloons to that same altitude (around 120K feet), and their fish-eye-lens-less video shows a perfectly flat horizon line at eye level, neither of which should be possible at that elevation over a globe.  So Tyson has to lie and claim that the curvature should not be visible at this altitude to dodge being exposed by the amateur footage.  In a sense, he's actually right that "that stuff is flat", but wrong / lying in implying that it SHOULD be flat at that altitude.

    Purely mathematical models demonstrate that at 120K feet, there should be a noticeable drop in the level of the horizon line (below eye level) as well as noticeable curvature.  But no such curvature is visible from the amateur footage.  Did refraction make that curvature go away also, and somehow boost the level of the horizon?  Amazing properties this "refraction" possesses.  In fact, with the Red Bull jump, they made a mistake by showing footage from the same camera both while the capsule was on the ground and when it was at 128K feet (with the door open in both cases).  You could see that the horizon line was EXACTLY at the same level in both shots.  Yet another thing to consider.  You know how high those balloons appear to be from 120K feet?  Well ... if you were to look from one end of Kansas to another, there should be an earth bulge of roughly the same 120K feet in the center of Kansas.  In other words, Kansas should bulge upward to the same altitude as those balloons were flying.  Hogwash.  No such bulges are evident (by virtue of dropping horizon line) anywhere in the amateur footage from 120K feet.

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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #22 on: September 05, 2024, 04:08:16 PM »
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  • See, this typifies the problem.  You laugh ... :laugh1: ... before having any idea what their evidence is or is not.

    Rational responses might include:

    1) I don't know what their evidence is for the additional continent.
    2) I've looked at their evidence and find it unconvincing.
    3) I've looked at their evidence and find it convincing.

    I'm actually in position #1 right now.  I have no idea what evidence they have for this assertion (they don't go into it), but just to laugh out of ignorance makes you look like a fool and makes it quite clear that you're not interested in looking at it with an open mind.

    You expose yourself with stuff like this.
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    Come on, Ladislaus. Yes, in general we should examine the evidence of something before making judgment, but when something is this ludicrous then it doesn't even need to be entertained. Human beings have been sailing all over the world for six thousand years, and civilized people have mapped the entire world already 500 years ago. Moreover, in recent times with airplanes and satellites and other high-flying devices we have seen whatever can be seen of the earth from high altitude.

    The idea that half a dozen amateur YouTubers in Brazil just came along and flew their drone or balloon or whatever in some place that nobody ever flew a drone in before, assuming such a place exists (which it doesn't), and somehow managed to discover some sort of lost world that nobody ever discovered was even there, is just hilarious. What next, they planted some magic beans that grew up into the sky and brought them to an ogre's castle in the clouds? I would have to withhold judgment on that as well until I see the evidence they have for the giant's castle?


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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #23 on: September 05, 2024, 04:32:12 PM »
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  • Come on, Ladislaus. Yes, in general we should examine the evidence of something before making judgment, but when something is this ludicrous then it doesn't even need to be entertained.

    Your assessment that it's ludicrous is made from a position of total ignorance, as well as from accepting that which you were told by the "authorities" who have lied to us about nearly everything.  It's also based on the globe model, which you unquestioningly accept, and thus it constitutes begging the question.  If we live on a flat plane, enclosed by a firmament, vs. living on a ball with a certain size, there remains the possibility of something outside of that firmament barrier.  

    How many dismissed as ludicrous the notion that 9/11 was an inside job, that the moon landings were faked, etc.

    Laughing without having seen the evidence is the sign of a small and closed mind.  Maybe in this case you're right, and maybe you're not ... but how many times when you're not right will this same attitude preclude your knowledge of truth, in this or in any other matter?

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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #24 on: September 05, 2024, 05:30:02 PM »
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    Laughing without having seen the evidence is the sign of a small and closed mind.  Maybe in this case you're right, and maybe you're not ... but how many times when you're not right will this same attitude preclude your knowledge of truth, in this or in any other matter?

    The Holy Scriptures would tend to agree:

    He that answereth before he heareth sheweth himself to be a fool, and worthy of confusion  [Proverbs 18:13]
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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #25 on: September 05, 2024, 05:34:18 PM »
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    These people claim to have discovered an entire continent that nobody knew existed. :laugh1:

    Actually, it's one of my evidences for Flat Earth. The testimony of Admiral Byrd, who explored Antarctica.
    He was convinced he discovered something great, gave at least one interview about this vast new world with tons of resources, spoke how this was only the beginning, that there would CERTAINLY be many many follow-up expeditions, and then --

    He died under mysterious circuмstances, no one ever went back, the Antarctic Treaty was set up soon thereafter, where even mortal enemies agreed that no one may go to Antarctica region to explore.

    Now anyone who tries to FREELY and PRIVATELY explore Antarctica in any way is sent away by military ships.

    Highly suspicious.

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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #26 on: September 05, 2024, 05:45:39 PM »
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    Come on, Ladislaus. Yes, in general we should examine the evidence of something before making judgment, but when something is this ludicrous then it doesn't even need to be entertained. Human beings have been sailing all over the world for six thousand years, and civilized people have mapped the entire world already 500 years ago. Moreover, in recent times with airplanes and satellites and other high-flying devices we have seen whatever can be seen of the earth from high altitude.

    The idea that half a dozen amateur YouTubers in Brazil just came along and flew their drone or balloon or whatever in some place that nobody ever flew a drone in before, assuming such a place exists (which it doesn't), and somehow managed to discover some sort of lost world that nobody ever discovered was even there, is just hilarious. What next, they planted some magic beans that grew up into the sky and brought them to an ogre's castle in the clouds? I would have to withhold judgment on that as well until I see the evidence they have for the giant's castle?


    Some FE fellow posted a video on this site making an inference that the moon surface was a reflection of the Earth’s continents. It’s completely preposterous, but people are gullible enough to fall for it. It reminded me of the Honeymooners opening scene with Jackie Gleason’s face appearing on the surface of the Moon. :facepalm:










    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #27 on: September 05, 2024, 06:24:56 PM »
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  • Actually, it's one of my evidences for Flat Earth. The testimony of Admiral Byrd, who explored Antarctica.
    He was convinced he discovered something great, gave at least one interview about this vast new world with tons of resources, spoke how this was only the beginning, that there would CERTAINLY be many many follow-up expeditions, and then --

    He died under mysterious circuмstances, no one ever went back, the Antarctic Treaty was set up soon thereafter, where even mortal enemies agreed that no one may go to Antarctica region to explore.

    Now anyone who tries to FREELY and PRIVATELY explore Antarctica in any way is sent away by military ships.

    Highly suspicious.

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    Why do you accept some of his testimony but not other parts of it? He says that there is a large land area, as big as the United States, on the other side of the South Pole that hasn’t been explored. He also claimed he was at both the North and South Poles, which FEers say don’t exist. According to him there is no ice wall surrounding the whole surface of the Earth, but rather open sea at the North Pole and a land mass at the South Pole.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Sun at sunset vs mountain miles away
    « Reply #28 on: September 06, 2024, 10:14:46 PM »
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  • Why do you accept some of his testimony but not other parts of it? He says that there is a large land area, as big as the United States, on the other side of the South Pole that hasn’t been explored. He also claimed he was at both the North and South Poles, which FEers say don’t exist. According to him there is no ice wall surrounding the whole surface of the Earth, but rather open sea at the North Pole and a land mass at the South Pole.

    Yes, you have to sift what he was saying. Obviously he went down to Antarctica and found something. We (flat earthers) know that it was the ice wall Antarctica. But what's MORE IMPORTANT and apparently went WHOOOSH right over your head is the important part of his testimony:
    *Great resources
    *Unexplored land near Antarctica
    *Definite purpose for going back repeatedly
    *Yet we stopped going there
    *and a GLOBAL treaty was signed to forbid further exploration
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