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Offline Yeti

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2022, 05:11:01 PM »
Perhaps he meant the observable objects within the universe move in a toroidal orbit? Given that the background of the universe, truly, wouldn't move into nothingness.
Maybe I don't remember the argument very clearly ...

So what is the geocentrist explanation for stellar parallax, then?

Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2022, 05:34:08 PM »
Maybe I don't remember the argument very clearly ...

So what is the geocentrist explanation for stellar parallax, then?
Here's what Dr. Sugenis has to say about it in Geocentrism 101, p. 64-65:

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However, just as the geocentric system could answer stellar parallax by means of a reciprocal geometry, so was the case for stellar aberration. In fact, the alignment of the stars with the sun that provided the geocentric answer to stellar parallax also provides the geocentric answer to stellar aberration. Since the geocentric star field is offset from the Earth by 1 astronomical unit, then, as the star field rotates around the Earth on a 93 million mile radius, it will produce the same circular and elliptical formations of Gamma Draconis as that which is claimed for the heliocentric system.
[...] stellar aberration not only produces a circular star trail for stars near the north celestial pole, but it also produces elliptical trails for stars at a lower declination. For example, for a star situated at a 45 degree declination with respect to the Earth, its star trail over the course of a year would resemble the typical ellipse. But for a star situated at the equatorial celestial plane, its star trail would look like a hyperbola or straight line. These various formations will be exactly the same in both the heliocentric and geocentric systems for the same star.
Thus, neither stellar parallax nor stellar aberration could prove the heliocentric system. This fact was recognized in 1901 by the famous physicist Henri Poincare:
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The observation of the aberration show us, therefore, not the movement of the earth, but the variation of this movement; they cannot, therefore, give us information about the absolute motion of the earth.



Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2022, 06:17:02 PM »
Here's a good discussion of parallax:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100826022827/http://www.realityreviewed.com/Negative%20parallax.htm

written by:
Dr. Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D., D.I.C., M.Sc.(Phys), M.Sc.(Comp), B.Sc.(Hons),
formerly of the Clarendon Laboratory, Oxford University, England.

Roughly 46% of stars have no parallax, 29% have parallax, and 25% have negative parallax.  Negative parallax is a problem for the a-centrists (as he calls them), so they conveniently just discard these as "errors".
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The phenomenon of stellar parallax is not what we have been generally led to believe, because in exactly the same way that Eddington 'proved' Einstein's General Theory of Relativity in 1919 by rejecting, omitting or deleting 60% of his measurement data on the bending of starlight, so modern astrophysics maintains the misconception that parallax 'proves' the Kopernikan philosophy of the World hurtling around the Sun, by ignoring and dismissing the entire dataset of negative parallax measurements.

I've also never really seen it taken into account that in a period of a year, modern sciences claims that the earth would move about 11.5 BILLION miles through through the universe.

Offline Yeti

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2022, 07:45:29 PM »
Here's what Dr. Sugenis has to say about it in Geocentrism 101, p. 64-65:
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Since the geocentric star field is offset from the Earth by 1 astronomical unit, then, as the star field rotates around the Earth on a 93 million mile radius, it will produce the same circular and elliptical formations of Gamma Draconis as that which is claimed for the heliocentric system.

Yes, this is what I understood. The problem is that, if the geocentric star field is offset from the earth by some amount, then the earth is not the center of the universe. To be the center of a revolving system means that the system maintains the same distance from the center, like the spokes of a wheel.

In other words, he seems to admit that the stars rotate around the sun in such a way that they maintain the same distance constantly from the sun, not the earth. If that is the case, then the sun and not the earth would be the center of the universe.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2022, 08:14:17 PM »
... the sun and not the earth would be the center of the universe.

That proposition was condemned as heretical by the Holy Office.